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Former #Dolphins WR Brian Hartline, Canton native and OSU alum, visiting #Browns today, according to @ProFootballTalk I'd really like this move....shouldn't cost too much, either. If you're going to sign him, sign him before FA starts. (comp pick balance?) I don't the compensatory system applies to released players. I know that it doesn't for your own outgoing players, I wasn't sure if it applied to incoming. Incoming as well. I just read an article recently about the Ravens how they always get so many compensatory picks. It's one of the reasons they signed Dumervil.
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Both are injury prone and struggle to stay healthy. Shorts is only a year younger but I think he has more left in the tank. Despite playing in the NFL two less years then Hartline he has the same amount of touchdowns which is only 12. I think he is the better fit. I would not be opposed to bringing both here but once again both struggle to stay healthy.
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Thanks for answering.
I think the TD thing is being overvalued, but I respect your answer.
Is Hartline really injury prone? He has played in 16 games in 5 of his 6 seasons and 12 in the other season. That doesn't sound like he is injury prone.
Shorts has played in 10, 14, 13, and 13 games in his four year career.
I'm not sure either one is injury prone.
Hartline has 298 catches in 5 years. Shorts has 176 in 4 years. Advantage Hartline.
Hartline averages 14.2 yds per catch. Shorts averages 13.3 yds per catch. Advantage Hartline.
They had almost identical 40 times. 4.52 for Hartline, 4.5 for Shorts.
They both had a vertical jump of 34.5.
Hartline had a 120 inch broad jump while Shorts had a 114 inch jump.
Very similar numbers in regards to the Combine.
I just think that Hartline has been more productive at the NFL level, but their overall numbers are similar.
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Thanks for answering.
I think the TD thing is being overvalued, but I respect your answer.
Is Hartline really injury prone? He has played in 16 games in 5 of his 6 seasons and 12 in the other season. That doesn't sound like he is injury prone.
Shorts has played in 10, 14, 13, and 13 games in his four year career.
I'm not sure either one is injury prone.
Hartline has 298 catches in 5 years. Shorts has 176 in 4 years. Advantage Hartline.
Hartline averages 14.2 yds per catch. Shorts averages 13.3 yds per catch. Advantage Hartline.
They had almost identical 40 times. 4.52 for Hartline, 4.5 for Shorts.
They both had a vertical jump of 34.5.
Hartline had a 120 inch broad jump while Shorts had a 114 inch jump.
Very similar numbers in regards to the Combine.
I just think that Hartline has been more productive at the NFL level, but their overall numbers are similar.
Hartline wouldn't cost us in the compensatory picks for next year either.
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Thanks for answering.
I think the TD thing is being overvalued, but I respect your answer.
Is Hartline really injury prone? He has played in 16 games in 5 of his 6 seasons and 12 in the other season. That doesn't sound like he is injury prone.
Shorts has played in 10, 14, 13, and 13 games in his four year career.
I'm not sure either one is injury prone.
Hartline has 298 catches in 5 years. Shorts has 176 in 4 years. Advantage Hartline.
Hartline averages 14.2 yds per catch. Shorts averages 13.3 yds per catch. Advantage Hartline.
They had almost identical 40 times. 4.52 for Hartline, 4.5 for Shorts.
They both had a vertical jump of 34.5.
Hartline had a 120 inch broad jump while Shorts had a 114 inch jump.
Very similar numbers in regards to the Combine.
I just think that Hartline has been more productive at the NFL level, but their overall numbers are similar.
great presented info...great post!
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I would sign him tomorrow
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How well does Suh translate to a 3-4 though? Not saying hes a waste by any means...but he surely excels in a 4-3...Thats my biggest question mark with Suh...And he would probably be a DE here; I think so? My biggest concern with Suh is that by the end of last season his stomping on people BS has gotten him up to what was it originally? a 1 or 2 game suspension toward the end of the season? And so far he hasn't actually injured anyone doing it. He's finally past the point of simple fines. Don't we have enough experience with players who can't make the field due to suspensions?
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I thought the Browns were interested in Cecil shorts and he was interested in the Browns? I would take him over Hartline for sure Who's to say we're not? Cecil Shorts cannot talk to anyone yet as FA did not officially start. Hartline was released, he can talk to teams now. Shorts was not, so he can't.
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Unfortunately, Hartline and Shorts are dime a dozen WRs. Neither are very good. If we sign both, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one didn't make the opening day roster.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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DawgPoundNation.com ‏@DawgPoundNation · 29m29 minutes ago
A #Browns team source says the the team and WR Brian Hartline agreed to meet today to talk deal terms.
Anyone know how credible these guys are?
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DawgPoundNation.com ‏@DawgPoundNation · 29m29 minutes ago
A #Browns team source says the the team and WR Brian Hartline agreed to meet today to talk deal terms.
Anyone know how credible these guys are? I know he sells crappy bumper stickers... 
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Well, I do trust this guy..... #Browns in discussions with WR Brian Hartline's side about deal after visit yesterday, league source says.
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DawgPoundNation.com ‏@DawgPoundNation · 29m29 minutes ago
A #Browns team source says the the team and WR Brian Hartline agreed to meet today to talk deal terms.
Anyone know how credible these guys are? Jimmy Donovan spoke on this last night during the 11pm news. He mentioned that Hartline was coming in to speak with the Browns so I'd say it's real.
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Well, I do trust this guy..... #Browns in discussions with WR Brian Hartline's side about deal after visit yesterday, league source says. Hartline is visiting the Bears today. He could make his decision within 24 hours. Link
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I got my fingers crossed. Hartline isn't going to be that stud WR/epic signing, but he will make a defense suffer if neglected. A good addition to our team IMO! Get it done Ray! 
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Hartline is basically Miles Austin, but two years younger. I think he is a quality signing at a position we obviously need players.
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Unfortunately, Hartline and Shorts are dime a dozen WRs. Neither are very good. If we sign both, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one didn't make the opening day roster. Seriously?
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Hartline is basically Miles Austin, but two years younger. I think he is a quality signing at a position we obviously need players. Agreed...doesn't stretch the field not a big play threat...but dependable hands and crafty route runner with a lot of experience.
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Legendary 10-7 QB Brian Hoyer is quickly running out of places to potentially start and free agency hasn't even started. It's almost like. . . there are better options?
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I'm thinking Hoyer may be on the titans radar maybe?
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Looks like Hoyer is not on the Bills radar any longer. Cassel to Bills The Buffalo Bills announced an agreement Wednesday with the Minnesota Vikings to acquire quarterback Matt Cassel in a trade that also includes draft selections. Chris Brown of the Bills' official site reports the Bills will receive Cassel and a draft pick in exchange for two selections. The exact details of the picks are not yet known: The Buffalo Bills are making it clear they're not going to rely on free agency to fill their positional needs on offense. Buffalo made a move to address the quarterback position Wednesday. The Bills agreed to terms on a trade with the Minnesota Vikings that will send two undisclosed draft choices to Minnesota in exchange for QB Matt Cassel and an undisclosed draft pick.
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I'm thinking Hoyer may be on the titans radar maybe? We will talk about the epic Mettenberger/Hoyer battle for years to come.
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I'm thinking Hoyer may be on the titans radar maybe? We will talk about the epic Mettenberger/Hoyer battle for years to come. So Buffalo's preferred options at QB, and at best for Hoyer's standing w/ them, it was. 1. McCown 2. Cassell 3. Hoyer Eww.
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Cousins was in the mix too.
At least we didn't have to give up draft picks to get Cassell.
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Hartline is basically Miles Austin, but two years younger. I think he is a quality signing at a position we obviously need players. I don't think they are much alike at all. Austin is a much more physical receiver. Hartline doesn't make half of those in traffic catches that Austin made last year. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign Hartline. I'm also not suggesting he wouldn't be an upgrade or a good fit. But he really is a dime a dozen receiver in this league. The benefit is he is younger than Austin. I do think he's slightly better than Shorts. I would prefer him over Shorts.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You don't think Austin is a dime a dozen receiver at this point in his career?
I meant taking over Austin's role from last year more than his skill-set.
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Legendary 10-7 QB Brian Hoyer is quickly running out of places to potentially start and free agency hasn't even started. It's almost like. . . there are better options? Anyone starting to think that Hoyer is not a decent dude? At a minimum, he's no worse than McCown and Cassell. That is at a minimum. And he appears to be way down on many people's list. Maybe word has gotten around he wants too much money. Something seems odd with all of this.
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Yes, I think Austin is a dime a dozen receiver as well.
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locker room divisive is just one of the reasons why hoyer will be hard pressed to find a decent backup gig.
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Anyone starting to think that Hoyer is not a decent dude?
The thought has crossed my mind.. Can't put a finger on it exactly..
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It is telling that two teams, that need QBs desperately, went out of their way to not sign Brian Hoyer.
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They just don't want to pay him. I still think he's top tier among the garbage free agent QB options.
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It is telling that two teams, that need QBs desperately, went out of their way to not sign Brian Hoyer. well come on, how far did they go out of their way to avoid hoyer? I think it's enough to say, they took a different direction. it could be money also. Cassell hasn't had recent success and neither has McGowen.. so their dollars may be lower than what hoyer is looking for,,, Another thing is, hoyer isn't available yet. let's talk after tuesday.
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Would love to sign Hartline today or tomorrow and get him locked up.
I'm still on board with signing Cecil Shorts as well.
I think signing them both would have us a solid pair of outside receivers to go along with Hawkins in the slot. If one of the big three WR's drops to #12 you still take one of them. Then we're instantly one of the deepest groups in the league.
I wonder if we'll be looking to sign anyone ASAP next Tuesday? Jerry Hughes anyone? We need an edge pass rusher and he's played for Pettine before...
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Tony Grossi ‏@TonyGrossi 9m9 minutes ago
“@JerryStephens3: I know the formula is complicated, but when will the Browns be required to meet the salary floor?”// They're well above.
this is the fourth time i heard this.
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Agreed, it is odd.
Had a thought. Everybody who beat us wants us to keep him. Thought there would be more interest. Guess Hoyer showed us.
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Who is this McGowen you speak of...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I actually think Hartline does stretch the defense. He is sneaky fast. He catches quite a few balls down the sidelines. He and Austin are completely different types of WRs.
Does anyone remember the home opener in 2013? Hartline had 9 catches for 114 yds and a TD. He killed us all day.
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I remember. I think Hartline could be a value pick unless he is done or is asking for way much.
If he still has it, I could see him in a 3 year deal with the bulk paid in 2 years. If he is looking for a 5 year deal with he bulk paid in 4, we might need to move on.
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