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Oh my bad.. He played Average 6 games last season..
Below average in 4 games..
And terrible in the other 4..
Yeah that's so much better. tom brady. 97.4 qbr, 7.1 per attempt, 64% completion. Andrew Luck 96.5 QBR, 7.7 per attempt, 61.7 completion. tom brady and andrew luck average.
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Do Brady and Luck go 8/17 for 200 yards and 1 TD in their good games?
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What were his other stats in those wins? It seems like you are leaving something out. . . a QBR rate of 96.9, 8.8 yard per attempt. and 60% completion. the average of the first 6 wins. we won 1 game with below average QB play. the Falcons. Hoyer up to and including the Steelers game when Mack got hurt: 60.4% completions, 8.2 ypa, 7 TDs and 1 INT, Rating 99.5 Hoyer in 9 games after Mack got hurt: 52.6% completions, 7.3 ypa, 5 TDs and 12 INTs, Rating 64.7 _________________________________________________________ Hoyer in games we won: 59.8% completions, 8.3 ypa, 8 TDs and 6 INTs, Rating 87.1 Hoyer in games we lost: 50.7% completions, 6.9 ypa, 4 TDs and 7 INTs, Rating 66.0 Hoyer has 3 games that don't fit, games against the Ravens and Steelers in which he played pretty well and we lost... and one against the Falcons in which he played pretty bad and we won.. other than that, we won when he played well and we lost when he didn't. Put a different way, when his Rating was over 85, we were 5-2, when it was under 85, 2-5 Make of that what you will. **Disclaimer, I know that in one game he didn't start, these are all the games he played in.
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So if your QB plays well, you win games? This concept is new to me, as I've never experienced it on a consistent basis. Tell me more.
This my last post ever on Hoyer (I promise):
Hoyer was not the reason we won. He just happen to be the QB on the team when we won. At his best he is an above-average QB (the Titan game), but he is not consistent. At his worst (the Colts game) he is among the worst QBs in NFL history.
Hoyer will play very well when everyone around him plays at their best. If there are any factors that hinder others performance, Hoyer does not do well.
Good starting QBs do well regardless of the situation.
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Do Brady and Luck go 8/17 for 200 yards and 1 TD in their good games? no. but when every completion is for 20 + yards and every pass attempt is 13 yard and a QB rate of 113. i would not call that bad QB play. i guess you would lol.
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So if your QB plays well, you win games? This concept is new to me, as I've never experienced it on a consistent basis. Tell me more.
ofcourse you have not. this is cleveland.  should have had you playing.
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So if your QB plays well, you win games? This concept is new to me, as I've never experienced it on a consistent basis.
Now there's a radical notion...
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I literally could have won that first Bengals game. Tell me where to hand it off and we're good.
Our defense was very good and Dalton was very bad (it was the reverse in the second game, our QB was very bad and their defense was very good.)
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I think I am done talking about Hoyer. He's gone. SUCKER!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady..
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead.
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So if your QB plays well, you win games? This concept is new to me, as I've never experienced it on a consistent basis. Tell me more.
Which is kind of why I posted it. People vary on their opinions of whether the team played well because Hoyer played well or if Hoyer played well in games in which the team was playing well. I do not believe there is a 1:1 ratio and either side is completely deserving of all credit or all blame. I will say this though, the whole team shouldn't fall completely apart with the loss of one OL.. even if he is a pro bowl center...
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No, you pointed out the QB stats in 6 of our 7 wins. There is a huge difference..
Did you watch the games? I'm beginning to question if you did..
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No, you pointed out the QB stats in 6 of our 7 wins. There is a huge difference..
Did you watch the games? I'm beginning to question if you did.. absolutely. every game at least 3 times. that is why i am confident in what i say. did you?
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Ok. And you came to the conclusion that Brian Hoyer played as well as Andrew Luck and Tom Brady do..
Cool.
He's still not a franchise QB. And sucked more than he played well.
But you have fun celebrating an at best, average QB.
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Ok. And you came to the conclusion that Brian Hoyer played as well as Andrew Luck and Tom Brady do..
Cool.
He's still not a franchise QB. And sucked more than he played well.
But you have fun celebrating an at best, average QB. no i said he played at lucks and bradys average for 6 of the 7 wins. just tell me if i am writing too fast for you.
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That's ok. While Hoyer's performance dropped severely as the season played out, lets not forget that we are letting go a 10-6 Browns QB and replacing him with a guy that just went 1-10. I know I'll be following how Hoyer does on his new team for curiousity's sake.
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By pointing out 3 separate stats, which shows nothing about how the actual game played out..
But continue making remarks about me being stupid.. that's cool, and helps your argument..
Oh wait, you posted a ROFL smiley.. I have obviously been defeated..
Yer so cool bro.
Hoyer still sucks.
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I do not, and will not understand this line of thinking..
We won 7 games this season with below average QB play..
We still have two opportunities to improve the team (FA, Draft)
I don't know how people assume we are a two win team.. +1 to below average qb play. I don't understand it either. TB's o-line was one of the worst, running game wasn't very good, defense was ranked in the 20's (they gave up 22 more sacks than us, also). Sure they have a couple nice pieces, but that's pretty much it. I'm not saying McCown or whoever is going to win us 10+ games, but I don't see how we can't make it around 5-8 wins, which isn't in #1 pick territory. Besides....even if we would be up for the #1 pick, you know we would end up winning the last game or two of the season (those fun moral victories) and end up dropping down the line anyways. Hey It's not me that's gonna prove ya wrong but the Browns. Predicting the under is usually the much better bet for this team haven't you guys learned that by now...after what 16 seasons? Come on man! For those of you who think that McClown is a lateral move don't come whining when this team is getting their butts kicked week in and week out. We're in for loooonnnggg season...VERY LONG.
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By pointing out 3 separate stats, which shows nothing about how the actual game played out..
But continue making remarks about me being stupid.. that's cool, and helps your argument..
Oh wait, you posted a ROFL smiley.. I have obviously been defeated..
Yer so cool bro.
Hoyer still sucks. i did not call you stupid. but... arnt you the one who asked me if i watched the games. i bring cold hard facts and you bring what? i watched the games at least 3 times and have the stats to back it up.
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work...
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work... Clearly, you watched the games three times too. 
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work... very simple. and this is more about the team than hoyer. i simply pointed out it took good QB play to win 6 of the 7 wins. people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play. absolutely ridiculous.
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My original post hadnnothing to do with Hoyer, but was about the overall team..
I dont think the team won in spite of him..
I was originally replying to someone who said we are a 2 win team next year..
My point was, that even with "whatever QB play you want to call Hoyer" we won 7 games, and can STILL improve the team..
I think we are a borderline Playoff contending "team" depending on how well the QB plays, which can range from a 7 win team to 10..
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people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play I am not sure anyone has said that.
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We won 7 games this season with below average QB play.. My original post hadnnothing to do with Hoyer, but was about the overall team.. sure looks to me like hoyer. unless some other QB won a game by better than average QB play.
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people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play I am not sure anyone has said that. We won 7 games this season with below average QB play.. sure looks to me that comments like this mean in spite of QB play.
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work... very simple. and this is more about the team than hoyer. i simply pointed out it took good QB play to win 6 of the 7 wins. people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play. absolutely ridiculous. Did Hoyer play defense? Seems like the defense helped win those 7 wins. 
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work... very simple. and this is more about the team than hoyer. i simply pointed out it took good QB play to win 6 of the 7 wins. people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play. absolutely ridiculous. Did Hoyer play defense? Seems like the defense helped win those 7 wins. absolutely. one all on there own. the falcon game. too bad the defense cost us that first ratbird game. you know the one that hoyer completed 76% of his passes for a QBR rate of 127.1. didnt bring that up because it was not one of the wins, {{{SIGH}}}
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I think BH was splitting the locker room, with I'm the leader here ... Apparently, he was the leader. There was no split in the locker room. Locker Room Report: Browns teammates strongly support QB Brian HoyerDec 3, 2014 Kevin Jones Staff Writer Locker Room Report Pettine took an informal poll among the veteran leadersPerhaps the strongest quote that came from Wednesday’s quarterback decision in Berea was when coach Mike Pettine told reporters he conducted informal meetings with several players to take their temperature on both Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel. The rapport Pettine has built with veteran leaders on the team was an element in determining which quarterback would lead the Browns against the Indianapolis Colts. “I did get a chance to speak to some of them,” said Pettine. “It was a similar theme, and it was more positives about Brian than anything else. I just think from a continuity standpoint and given where we are, it kind of drove it to the deciding factor." Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas was among the players Pettine sought out and one of the many who extended support to Hoyer in the locker room. Thomas has long praised Hoyer’s leadership ability, even calling the 29-year-old the missing piece to puzzle earlier in the season. That viewpoint from Thomas never wavered, even when Manziel took command of the offense against Buffalo last Sunday. “Certainly Brian has put us in this position. We still feel like he’s going to give us the best chance to win,” said Thomas. Thomas lauded Manziel for the way he’s handled everything. Coming into the middle of an NFL game at quarterback is one of the most difficult. Players said Pettine did not make a big announcement to the team. It was understood that Hoyer would be keeping the job. The media firestorm of the quarterback quandary did not shake the walls inside the Browns’ facility. Read more:http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...98-adce84c47361As far as Hoyer being unwilling to "mentor" a young QB, I haven't heard or read anything that supports that as being Hoyer's attitude. I have, however, seen him talking to both Manziel and Shaw on the bench or at the sideline when they were in the game. I started reading the posts and there are a ton of them. They made me sick. Illogical nonsense. I wonder how many people responded to your two articles? I doubt there were more than 2. They don't want the truth. They want BS speculation.
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I'm not the one continuously comparing Brian Hoyer to Andrew Luck and Tom Brady.. simply pointed out the QB play in 6 of the 7 wins. if you want to cry about being wrong???? go ahead. Why is anybody wrong? You posted stats, he's arguing context.... Here are some stats.. in the 4th quarter, Hoyer completed 56.1% of his passes and had 6 TDs and 9 INTs for a rating of 67.2.. (He had 9 of his 13 INTs in the 4th quarter) In the 4th quarter of games that were +/- 7 points (So winnable games).. he completed 56.2% with 5 TDs and 6 INTs for a rating of 73.5... I have not compared those numbers to other QBs but off the top of my head, they do not look like I would expect a better-than-average QBs numbers to look.. that's crunch time, that's when the great QBs do their best work... very simple. and this is more about the team than hoyer. i simply pointed out it took good QB play to win 6 of the 7 wins. people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play. absolutely ridiculous. Did Hoyer play defense? Seems like the defense helped win those 7 wins. Did Hoyer play defense? Seems to me like the defense helped contribute in the 9 losses.
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people are pretending that our team is so good that we won in spite of the QB play I am not sure anyone has said that. We won 7 games this season with below average QB play.. sure looks to me that comments like this mean in spite of QB play. Except what I was saying, is that with better QB play, we would of won more games, and won the games we did easier.. Hoyer contributed to the wins and the losses.. Hell the Bills went out and got Kyle Freaking Orton, who is almost the definition of average QB play.. and won more games this year than they would have had they started EJ Manuel.. I don't know where the disconnect is, noone has said, or is intending to say we won games in spite of the QB. And back to my original point, with equal (or hopefully somehow) better QB play in 2015, we could see an increase in play, because the overall team will be better.. We do have a "more difficult" schedule this coming season though..
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Did Hoyer play defense? Seems like the defense helped win those 7 wins. Did Hoyer play defense? Seems to me like the defense helped contribute in the 9 losses. I'm sure you would see it that way, you and your agenda posting.  Cleveland Browns defense forces 4 turnovers, but offense can't come through in 25-24 loss to Indianapolis Colts
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Agenda posting? What?
What is my agenda about Hoyer? LOL..........I don't even like the guy that much.
My point was that you were right that the defense contributed to the wins. On the other hand, are you really saying that all the losses were Hoyer's fault?
Get real, man.
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are you really saying that all the losses were Hoyer's fault?
Get real, man.
No not all he was pulled because of his poor play so he didn't play in all the games.
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Do you really think he was pulled for poor play or do you think that the FO was wanting Manziel to play?
And how did playing Manziel turn out?
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Do you really think he was pulled for poor play or do you think that the FO was wanting Manziel to play?
And how did playing Manziel turn out?
Hoyer played lights out he was great it was stupid to pull him just look at the stats below. 
Against the Colts, Hoyer completed just 14 of his 31 throws for 140 yards. And while he didn't have a single touchdown pass, he did toss a pair of interceptions. Even that detrimental stat line doesn't tell the entire story of his ineptitude on Sunday. Hoyer missed on two deep balls that should have been easy touchdowns, and one of his picks came on a second-and-6 from the Colts' 9-yard line. That's at least 17 -- if not 21 -- missed points in a game that Indianapolis won by a single point, thanks to a touchdown with just 32 seconds remaining. The pathetic offensive performance was reminiscent of the Browns' showing in the Week 7 loss to Jacksonville, when Cleveland scored just six points against a porous defense that currently ranks 29th in points allowed (27.4 per game). In that game, Hoyer and the Browns converted just four of their 20 third/fourth-down attempts and failed to score a touchdown in two red-zone trips. In Week 11, the Browns managed just seven points against the Texans, while Hoyer completed just 20 of his 50 throws. (That was a loss in which Hoyer was outplayed by Ryan Mallett, a quarterback making his first ever NFL start in his four years in the league.) Two weeks later, the Browns scored 10 points against the Bills, and Hoyer's final seven possessions produced 10 total yards. This, of course, was the game in which he was pulled in the fourth quarter in favor of Manziel, who proceeded to march Cleveland 80 yards down the field and score a rushing touchdown on his first full NFL regular-season possession. Link
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I never said that he played lights out. In fact, he played poorly at times.
I was only commenting on your post that said something about how you questioned that the defense did not help win games.
I replied by saying the defense--and really, the rest of the team---also were part of the reason we lost games.
I know this hard for you to follow, but my point was that it is a team game and that no one player wins or loses games.
Argue that agenda.
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I was only commenting on your post that said something about how you questioned that the defense did not help win games.
Argue that agenda.
Here is my post... "Did Hoyer play defense? Seems like the defense helped win those 7 wins." ...how did you come to that conclusion from my post? Is your agenda getting in the way of your reading comprehension? 
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Dude, I was AGREEING w/you. Sheesh!!!!!
My point was that if you take credit away from Hoyer from winning games, how the hell can you cast all the blame on him for our losses.
How do you NOT follow that?
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