DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Colin Kaepernick available in trade

Yes, and everyone on this team is SO talented we can't afford to lose one of them. Much better to keep all our cap room, pay the fine for NOT spending enough, and LOSE. Because cap space is more important than wins. More important than anything. 4-12 is a beautiful thing as long as you have 40 million in cap space going in to the season. Keeps Jimmy's pockets full.

I agree Spirit, but at this juncture I would be all in for high character guys we have enough head cases.

Yeah, hard to get out of that kind of money.

Does anyone know if Bradford was the last of the big money guys before the rookie cap?

Yes, Bradford was the last.

Kaepernick is not a Franchise QB.

Kaepernick is barely a QB.

The dude is an overly athletic pitcher.

He appears to care more about his tattoos being in Madden, and being able to show off his "guns" than working on becoming a good QB.

Thanks for the response.

I am not saying I am right here, but I think it can be a learned skill. I'm not going to dunk a basketball or throw a 95 mile an hour fastball. Only certain people can do that. But when it comes to the brain, I think it is about aptitude and natural intelligence. I think those two things combined with experience and hard work can help a QB read defenses post snap. In other words, I don't see it as a skill that you either have or don't. I think it can be learned.

That doesn't mean the degree of difficulty is easy. I'm sure it's the hardest thing a QB does. And because of that, many end up failing. But I just wouldn't characterize it as something you either have or don't.

I believe it's more instinctual than anything. I mean, yes it can be taught if the person you are teaching has the ability it takes to learn it. But the ability to actually have the reflexes and internal thought process to execute it is very rare.

The part that can't be taught, is having a mind that can process all of this at such a speed. It's either something you have the ability to do or not. So the process of how you're supposed to do it can be taught. The ability to actually do it can not.

+1

I know you weren't talking to me but i'm not so sure about what you are saying.

I think a qb can put in the time and hard work...really become a student of the game, and like you said, improve his on-field performance.

I do however think that we are talking about a rare few who can instantly process and put that information to use.


I was a firefighter for 23 years. I took officiers tests a few times until it dawned on my that this wasn't my strength. I was a better blue shirt. I am the type of person that likes to take my time, look at all the angles, and then make a decision. That's fine and dandy but not for that job.

My Captain could pull up on a scene, and instantly know exactly what he wanted to do. Now some of that is experience, but that quick processing and decision making is not.

I mean stop and think about it for a second....actually for 3 seconds. That's how much time those guys have to find the open guy and throw. I'm not sure i could locate all my receivers on the field in that time.

Basically I think learning helps, but that skill is rare.

He's more of a QB than anyone we have on the roster at the moment. And he's proven he can at least survive a season. Unlike Johnny Fn Rehab that can't survive TWO GAMES. Smallest QB in the LEAGUE and instead of working out to gain some weight and muscle he's in rehab. Oh boy. THAT'S the guy we should bet the future of the team on. Moot point anyway. Kap isn't on the market and even if he was he wold block any trade to the franchise where careers come to die....

You guys get your wish. Johnny for a game or two, then McCown the rest of the way. 4-12 here we come.

I'm a better QB than my 8 year old son, does that mean I'm a Franchise QB?

idon't know... I hear your son still has some upside left.

just because he MAY be better then anyone we currently have on the roster doesnt mean we should pay him a crazy amount of money to maybe win an extra game

if he was a top tier qb then i could see shelling out the money but he isnt

you need to burn a fat one drink a 12 pack and relax, the sky isnt falling down yet bro

There is no sky in Cleveland man. It fell down a LONG time ago. And with this crew in place I see no evidence of a front office capable of erecting one. Bad drafting, egos ruling over logic.... A GM that thinks he's a coordinator.... Way ahead on the partying though. I used to get up for the draft. I haven't even payed attention to the prospects this year. Didn't watch the combine..... Why bother? Peace

This guy played well enough to play in the SB, and two NFC championship games.

The standards we seem to have as browns fans, of all people, is mind boggling. Acting like we know what a franchise QB is suppose to look like here in cleveland. smh

Hey Rish.........I hear what you are saying, but I think Pit and Elf made nice replies to your post. I am not trying to argue. It is just my contention that very few people can accurately process that much information in about 1.8 to 2.1 seconds.

If you think about it, that is an incredible skill.

Now, just so no one takes what I just said the wrong way [that never happens around here LOL] QBs can have success if they are good film studiers and read defenses pre-snap and the opponent actually runs the defense that is their tendency.

It's when defenses mix things up that all hell breaks loose. Again, how many times have you said--or heard---what was he looking at?

You know who is a great example of that? Trent Dilfer. He is actually a pretty smart guy. Had great tools. He wanted to succeed. He put the time in. He could read defenses at the LOS because he studied and was a smart guy. But, how many times did we say...............what the hell was he looking at when he threw that ball? The guy simply did not have the innate ability to read coverages post snap.

Anyway........glad you asked the question and replied. It's actually some pure football talk. Thanks.

Dilfer may have had all the skills, but would flat out miss wide open receivers.

Terrible.

j/c
crazy thought-
maybe the eagles deal Bradford for Kaepernick...

interesting thought.... Kelly and Kaepernick there's a match made in heaven... that would be fun to watch