DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Buster Skrine to Jets

So, you are saying your post was not BS speculation and it was indeed based on fact?

Seriously?

Buster went from being their #1 corner, to #3 lol. Least he's getting paid decent $. Good luck Buster!

Nah, Skrine is a pretty good nickel-CB that can spot start at CB. That's what the Browns saw and why they drafted Gilbert and that's what the Jets signed Skrine for: to play the nickel and spot start if a starter goes down. He's one of the better 3/2 CBs in the league and got paid accordingly.

Nickel-CBs have become as important as outside CBs that's why their salaries have gone up significantly

Why does my opinion have to be BS? Because you don't like it?

No, not at all. I actually agree w/many things you say.

However, you made something up. Not a big deal. Either admit to it or let it go. It's not the end of the world either way.

Admit what? That a Cromartie signing could diminish the role of Skrine? Hahaha, ok. Cromartie just signed for significantly more money than Skrine. That could be indicative of his role, no? Or is that also speculative BS you don't agree with?

Way overpaying.................ring a bell?

Bingo.

Man, that's just 'BS speculation'. Cromartie's been horrible in his career, I know. 30 Ints with plenty of years left.

j/c

With the loss of Skrine, what are the chances Trae Waynes falls to #12, and do you think it is wise to draft him? What about Landon Collins? Does getting both, #12 and #19, make sense?

I've always been a fan for a stout front-7, but many are stating the future is 3 stud CBs.

In one of Pettine's pressers he was asked about the poor run defense, he made reference NFL is a passing league and his focus is slowing down receivers. No, I can't provide a link or recall when said.

Does it make sense in the AFCN to have 3 very good CBs? Is there enough talent on the DL to fill the gaps with guys from rounds 3-5? Huges and Winn were good picks.

I doubt they burn another top pick on a corner, let alone two top picks. I hope not anyway, I think a nice fat o or d linemen and a WR is th e best means to spend those picks to help us win. JMO

I thought Landon Collins was a SS. Who would be our 3rd good CB if we took Trae Wayne at 12?

Why does that make more sense over DBs? Over emphasizing the secondary worked for Seattle. In last few drafts, teams focused on pass rushers, QB, and OT. I think Trae could fall to #12. Going forward, coming years, is it easier getting DL and LBs late in the first round? Farmer/Pettine stated they want a strong defense with a solid run game.

My thinking Haden, Gilbert, and Waynes. Collins is a future replacement for Whitner.

Who??


I think that while Skrine played well in spots, he's eminently replaceable. It's not like he's Pro Bowl material or something.

Unless one of the top two QB's falls to us. That ain't gonna happen....

About all that's left of the CBs in FA are Tramon Williams, Patrick Robinson, or Perish Cox. If not from FA, the Browns will need to use one of the #1's or a #2 for a CB in the draft, unless you want to count on Justin Gilbert to fill Skrine's spot.

I don't want to use a #19 pick for a backup SS. We're not good enough to not get immediate impact from a pick that high.

I'll answer your question with a question.

What good is having an elite defense/secondary when the offense is so far off and unable to produce? How many games just last season alone did our d keep us in and the offense failed? It's no use gasing out your elite defense because you failed to address pressing needs on the opposite.

Plus, our offense cannot be compared to Seattle. They're two different stories. They can put up points and they can cash in on the turnovers and 3 and outs generated by their defense. JMO!

I believe the FO drafted Gilbert to play across from Haden and that is their plan going forward. He apparently has the needed skills but we just don't know (but hope) whether he's ready yet...

I can only go by what I see.

(God help me, I'm quoting Bill "Chuckles" Belichick.)

He's the guy who got that pick 6 off of McGowan

Whatever.

Other than Lynch who are Seattle's play makers? Browns have West and Crowell. Remove Lynch does Russel Wilson still perform at the same level? Browns OL is way better than Seattle too.

Do you need first round talent to be successful on offense?

Wait until Whitner retires and then seek a SS?

Lets not neglect how well and gifted Wilson is at QB. Yes, having Lynch would aide any qb, I'll give you that, but not every Qb can make the plays that Wilson does on a regular basis. He can do it with his arm, his feet and his great football iq! One of the best in the business of extending plays when the plays aren't initially there.

They also, and spelling is likely wrong, have a reputable WR Jermaine Kearse. But Wilson's ability to read the field, make the accurate throws and elude/buy time/scramble is something our team doesn't have, and that IMO is why you cannot compare their offense to ours. Two different levels.

But this season, it'll be freakish how good Seattle can be. They're now loaded on both sides of the ball and are built to decimate anyone.

Its JMO, but I think you take an aging FS or CB that can tackle, and you have your stop-gap SS. I just think 1st and 2nd round picks need to start right away, except maybe QBs.

That's my sentiment too. We have enough holes that we need guys that can contribute right away with those first few picks.

We saw what happened last year when you take 2 first rounders and neither of them has much of an impact...

Bademosi is our current backup and has potential. There is no immediate need for a SS....

Dawg, I'm going to disagree with your Russel Wilson assessment. I'll give you he is a good QB. Better than anything Browns have, but until he plays a season without Lynch, I'm not anointing him a great QB. Yes, he has a good arm and reads defenses well. Move him to Tampa and see him make it work. Again, don't get me wrong I like Wilson. I simply am not putting him in the top 10 category just yet.

I hear ya. There is no question, I mean we seen the before and after effects first hand with Hoyer of having a run game and then not having it.

Unfortunately, it'll be awhile before we see a Lynch empty Seattle offense unless he suffers injury.

i don't get that.

by that logic, Elway wasn't top 10 either until Davis got drafted. then he won his SB's.

does that take away from Elway? IMO, no.

because, ya know, team sport and all.

J/C .......

I like Skrine a lot and hate to see him go .... and accept and acknowledge that he made a great deal of improvement over the years, but let's not forget a few things.

1: Skrine was #1 on the team in committing penalties. He committed 16 penalties, 11 of which were accepted by the other team. Among these were 7 DPI, 6 D Holding, 1 offensive holding, (On a turnover return, IIRC) and 1 roughing the passer.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/team/cleveland-browns?year=2014&view=players

2: Skrine was badly beaten for TDs on occasion. I remember the Titans game last year, and he was roasted, toasted, and deep fried by the Titans. He gave up 2 easy TD in that game. I cannot find stats for how many TD passes a DB gave up, but I would have to guess that Skrine was in coverage on 6-8 of the 22 pass TDs we allowed last year. PFF has him allowing 35 1st down/TD passes last year. On 7.75% of the snaps when he was on the field, he allowed either a TD or a 1st down, which was 10th highest in the NFL.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-cornerbacks/

Now that said, I do like a lot about Skrine. I think that he works hard, both in preparation and in games. He plays hard. He defended a lot of passes last year, breaking up 18 pass attempts. He is sturdy, and has never missed a game that I can think of. He has the proper mindset to be a solid NFL CB.

However, let's not pretend that he is a top 10 NFL CB. He is a useful piece of the defense, but he's not irreplaceable. Hopefully we can get further development from Gilbert, Desir, and Williams. We could be in a very,very good position at CB if they do improve and play to their talents. Pettine and O'Neil have both shown that they can develop CBs. I am sure that will continue.

I think that the worst part of losing Skrine is that he was always a hard working guy, and we could always count on him being out there. He always worked hard. However, I do think that the position can be improved.

versatility has a quality of its own. one of the reason so many teams wanted him i would think.

Thanks for that breakdown, Ytown.

I'm totally in agreement with your overall message. I'll simply add that my level of worry regarding the CB2-3 positions will depend on which FAs we bring in to offset the loss of Skrine. If our plan is to draft a young'in or roll with Gilbert/Desir and Williams, then the Doom-and-Gloom'ers will be somewhat justified.

I'll wait a little longer before I jump off the cliff.

Good debate question. Would Elway been as successful without a run game? World may never know! You seen P. Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers do it.

Compare Luck with Wilson. Luck hasn't had a good run game behind him. Switch Wilson and Luck. We'll never know, but do you think Russel makes that offense work? I think Wilson struggles.

Sorry, I taken this off topic.

More I think about Browns could do a lot of things on defense drafting Trae. Adding Collins maybe a stretch. Thinking about it Browns could have a very good secondary for years to come cheap!

You do realize that you're saying we need to use a 1st or 2nd round pick to replace a guy we drafted in the 5th round, right?

He's an average to slightly above average CB. He's not a Pro Bowler. We just have to do our homework and not draft stupidly.... and we can burn a 3rd or 4th and do quite well enough.

Just out of curiosity.. if you put Tom Brady in Tampa last year, do you think he would have made it work?

I find this whole line of thinking odd.. we proclaim football is a team sport and nobody wins alone.. then when a team wins we discredit any of the individuals because the team around him is considered very good. We do the same thing with coaches... smh

Or, when a team wins - here in Cleveland, we say the qb had nothing to do with it - but when the almost same team loses, we blame the qb.

Football IS a team sport.

When teams win, play makers ALWAYS get the praise. As you say it is a team sport. I do think individuals get far more credit than deserve but there are exceptions.

The more balance a team possesses the longer it can sustain. It is why Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England continue to make the playoffs. They are not affected when players change.