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Why can't Gabriel be a starter? Don't you think he will improve going from season one to season two?

IDK about Bowe to be honest. He has some miles on the odometer, and he was never a #1 nor had good speed. I believe Hartline was a better signing than he would be, and since we already have Hartline, I do not think Bowe is a grave concern. Don't get wrong, WR is a HUGE concern, just not Bowe. We need a #1 and he is not a #1. We have plenty of #2 and #3 WR already.

See, there are terms I simply don't like being used because they are very subjective. Two that stick out in my mind are "starter" and "contributor".

I mean let's look at the term "starter". Are you talking about a guy who can start for your team? Or are you talking about a guy who the league would view as a legitimate starter at his position. Let's look at an example. Andrew Hawkins.

I like Hawkins and thought he would be a great addition for the cost/value we could sign him at. I was a big proponent of signing Hawkins. But it's not like we paid him a ton of money. With our poor core of WR's, he was a welcome addition. To the Bengals, who are deep at WR, he wasn't worth matching the small contract we offered him.

So is Gabriel considered a starter? For the Browns, yes. For a great number of NFL teams I would say no. Whether a player is a starter or not is very subjective depending on the strength or weakness of his position on any given team. Being a starting WR here, based on our weakness at the WR position I believe to be pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Hartline was cut by the Dolphins but appears to be an upgrade to some of our starting WR's. As I said, it's subjective.

Now we get to the term "contributor". You see, any draft pick or player that plays and makes positive players is technically a contributor. It's a rather obscure term that simply means that when looking at the talent of your team, this player is not the worst at his position and gets playing time, who isn't a total loser.

Once again, getting the opportunity to play on the field and having at least some ability to make some plays, is dependent on the surrounding talent. They may actually be marginal players or less, who simply have an opportunity to play, due to very poor competition at their position.

However, people try to make it sound as though they are somehow some success because they saw the field. Which is often times quite false. Just because a player is filling a void until you get someone better to take his place, doesn't mean he's worthy of praise or will be successful as an NFL player.

It just makes it sound better for those trying to promote a vision of success by the people who brought in such players.

Completely agree with you on that. Alot of players on our team wouldnt even sniff the field let alone start.

I only used the word starter because that is the word that most people understand. I don't really care who starts. It's all about snap counts.

Let's see ... last year Gabriel:

Ran good routes ....

Blocked like a man 50# bigger ...

Caught darn near everything thrown to him ....

Got open consistently....

And averaged over 17 yards/catch.

With more accurate deep passing, he would almost certainly have been over 1000 yards for the year. Think of how many times he had to wait on punts thrown from Hoyer to get to him.

He's not a big outside receiver, but he's also not a "little guy" like Benjamin. He is willing to do all of the dirty work from blocking on up, and he can do those jobs well. I see no reason why he can't be a starter on the outside.

Bowe isn't as explosive as he used to be, to be expected with his older age...However I remember this guy having chronic issues with coaches and others ...I remember a lot of NFL players called him a snitch as he was tattling on others about how NFL players all cheat on their wives...I recall some clashes he had with coaches (years ago...perhaps he's matured)
He also was arrested last year for weed and DUI...so not sure he fits the mold of our character guys...

However we desperately still need weapons at WR,QB,TE,FB,PR,OLB,DT,S,CB...so I'm all in at upgrading our positions as we can't certainly plug all holes in the draft...We need to use FA as well

I agree with you on all them, but safety? We are pretty good there.

I think we are very good at CB as well.


I agree with everything else

CB? How so?

j/c

Other than stats, what do we know about Bowe? I'm a little puzzled. Bowe doesn't seem to fit "play like a Brown." Isn't the big knock on him he is a bit of underachiever?

Athletically I think he has all the tools. If he didn't fit in Andy Reid's offense, what makes people think he fits Cleveland's?

He's breathing.

Ian Rapoport reports:
#Browns brought Dwayne Bowe in to visit with the intention of not letting him leave. Big commitment to sign a top WR #Boweheldhostage

Tweet link

Looks like the Browns may have seriously targeted him, like it or not....

I did not watch a lot of chiefs games last year but Bowe has talent, he can work it deep, Smith just has one of the weakest arms in the league. I am intrigued by this one.

I do know 2 years ago that if you said we can have Bowe and Hartline as our starting receivers everyone would have went crazy with excitement lol

In order to get him to sign they will probably have to threaten his life

Nah ..... just a relative. lol

Or way way overpay him. This is the type of guy we seem to have to reach for in free agency. At this point, they might as well role with what they currently have going into the draft.

There is nothing on the market. While I don't like Bowe as much as some, he probably has as good of a chance at succeeding as anyone else we will sign at this position.

Agreed. Market is poopy, very poopy, for WR needy teams.

Signing Bowe or not doesn't negate, IMO, the fact we should be using one our first round picks on the best WR available. Bowe could be that 6'2'' 220lbs+ beast that comes alive in the red/end zone. Perhaps he could exceed my expectations of being a bigger threat which if we do indeed sign him, I hope so!

I placed them in order of severity, well at least IMO...QB is a huge need and should be #1 however going to be hard to find...The only reason I put safety on there as Pettine liked rolling with 5, with Leonard retired we are down to 4...maybe look for a safety round 7 or UDFA...not a huge need.

Also I'm starting to think we are going to throw our drafts pick away because we are going to move up to take one of the QBs...just a haunch but I think that is why Farmer is going to attempt to get as much comp. Picks for next year to lessen the blow...

Whatever they are doing, let's pray they do it right

Nothing wrong with West Texas A&M University. *Proud alumni of WTAMU.

He's always hating on WTA&M. They gave the Saints Khiry Robinson.

C'mon, who doesn't miss this guy?

Good ole Chump.

i have that same card. but still don't miss him

Even the bubble gum sucked.

So he ran over,say, 50 routes correctly, I presume. Seems important for that position.

ESPN's Adam Caplan reports free agent Dwayne Bowe's visit with the Browns went "very well."

Per Caplan, "Interest from player and team is clearly there." As far as we know, Bowe hasn't lined up any other visits. Bowe would make the most sense as someone else's No. 3 as opposed to Cleveland's No. 1/2, but his addition would make the Browns better.

Related: Browns
Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter


http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football

Holy blast from the past.

Thompson was super legit on Madden back in the day. He had to be one of the fastest linebackers on the game.

Oh dude totally. CT was my favorite guy to play on the D when using hte Browns. I use to play him in I think 2005 or 2006 Madden, whichever of those two the Hit Stick was introduced - and destroy people with Thompson!!!!!!!!

Yes, 2006 was the last year I played Madden. Thompson, Andra Davis, with Sean Jones at safety. Fun times.

Same 'logo'.

Solid.

No way. That was two face mask colors ago.

I cant wait till the Brpwns start going after "highly targeted free agents".
Bowe's best days are gone.
He has good size but no wiggle or shake after the catch. What 2nd gear he had is gone.
he was never a scoring threat with the Chiefs.
and he takes plays off.
A desperate player signing with a desperate team.
great match

Never (besides that one year he had 15 TDs).

I pretty much agree with you though.

Dwayne Bowe's Drug Violation: Chiefs WR Suspended Four Games
AP | By DOUG TUCKER
Posted: 03/18/2010 5:12 am EDT Updated: 05/25/2011 2:40 pm EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/17/dwayne-bowes-drug-violati_n_360945.html

Dwayne Bowe arrested on multiple charges in Missouri

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Nov. 12, 2013 at 11:16 a.m. Updated: Nov. 12, 2013 at 01:26 p.m.

Bowe was transported to the Riverside Police Department and booked for speeding and possession of a controlled substance

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ges-in-missouri

play like a brown lmao

I think it's a safe bet that the Browns won't be signing Mr. Bowe after this ^.

I hope they target Crabtree or Shorts. Crabtree is a legitimate deep threat while Shorts is just a solid guy with great hands.

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Did we sign Bowe? Mary Kay and a handful of others just followed him on Twitter. Maybe they know something.