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The Wikipedia was me in response to someone asking about a ridiculous stretch Williams had in the playoffs earlier in his career.

I will not begin to pretend that I know how to scout defensive backs. Williams was ranked more highly than Skrine by Pro Football Focus (which I trust when I don't have first hand knowledge of a player), Williams has played in a defense that runs man-to-man his entire career, he will be 32 on March 16th, and his best season was probably 2010 when he made the Pro Bowl.

I think at worst Williams is a league average corner. At best he would be a little above-average. Low Ceiling, high floor.

By "already had" do you mean "was a free agent?"

Your weird theory about Farmer is not true. Give it up. There are so many more actual, real things that you can complain about, why pick something that isn't the least bit factual?

Sounds like he'd be a great pickup then. Him at #2, K'Waun in the slot and use him 3-4 years on a decent contract to see if Gilbert can blossom into something, then hopefully his third or forth year (or sooner) would be depth as Justin takes over.

Yeah, I am likely overthinking things haha... I do know I have read that Williams has only missed like one game his entire career. Sounds built like a tank!

I think Tramon Williams can only be relied on as a one year stop gap. Anything more is asking too much.

Just have to say that I would love to have a Tramon Williams to go along with our K'Waun Williams.

Here is a link to a Packers message board. They don't want to see Williams go.

you mean like sign players that our hc really like? ones that he said all year plays like a brown? a player that gave competition at the CB spot? a player that has the versatility to lay more than one spot?

you think the pats dont play the 3/4 where sheard went? you think they did not see the versatility of a player that can do both? after all the love our HC gave sheard you think he wanted to see him walk?

Having players sign with other teams and intentionally letting players walk so that your draft picks can play are two very different things.

yea. but all the players that walked were very reasonable contracts.

j/c

The Ravens were interested in Perrish Cox before he signed with the Titans.

The Ravens are set at corner, but want depth behind Jimmy Smith and an aging Lardarius Webb. Smith is coming off foot surgery. Smith's injury left the Ravens woefully undermanned at corner last season.

Source: Baltimore Sun
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football



So the Ravens can't resign their own free agents (including their top wr threat in Torrey Smith and one of their top pass rushers in McPhee), they have to trade one of the top DT in the NFL because of a mismanaged salary cap and midlevel free agents aren't willing to sign with them. What a dysfunctional organization

How are they "set" at corner? O_o

Jimmy Smith is in the last year of his deal, and Webb hasn't been the same player since his injury. Plus, that's only two guys. Obviously they aren't set if they were looking to bring in Cox.

Until our front office continually drafts like the Ravens' does, yeah, we're disfunctional and they're not.

Keeping Mike Pettine & Ray Farmer was the first step in the right direction though.

Dysfunctional or not, Farmer found us seven very solid rookies last year (not even counting Manziel/Gilbert), along with five very solid veteran free agents (Austin, Dray, Whitner, Dansby, Hawkins).

I have some degree of faith in Ray Farmer (And Mike Pettine for winning 7-games).

I like the way we're attacking free agency right now (or not attacking?). The way things are looking now we'll be getting another four compensatory draft picks next Spring, that's 10 this year and at least 11 picks next year, that's a lot of ammunition.

I don't think signing guys like Jeremy Maclin and or Ndamakong Suh were going to suddenly make us playoff contenders this year, why not keep our money to re-sign our own players and continue to build through the draft? Until our QB situation is 100% clear, I don't think it matters what kind, or how many free agents we sign.

People complain about not being aggressive in free agency.

It takes two sides to agree to a deal.

And to me, it makes no sense to pay someone like Jeremy Maclin $11 million a year to come play here, while guys like Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Joe Haden won't even make that much next year (just using Maclin as an example).

Cleve, I think they just mean set at starter for this year.

Brownoholic, my point is other teams lose players to free agency, and have fa's they like choose other teams. When those things happen to us, we shouldn't use them as arguments for our dysfunction.

Yes we have other issues that point to some dysfunction but we shouldn't support them with things that affect every team in the nfl.

Cecil Shorts is visiting Texans ...... Why haven't we got him a contract already?

It's how NE works the system, and it seems to work for them.

Granted, we're several steps behind the Pats- but the strategy is sound- and you have to start somewhere. Mo picks be a good thang, imo.

and if he did, I'm surprised she didn't.

Probably cause he's a clone of Davone Bass and Greg Little in the category of not being able to catch. I wanted Shorts too until some9ne here (crs15)pointed out his drop issue. One year the only WR to have more drops than Shorts was none other than psycho Davone Bass.

Bowe is a better option, as is Stevie. JMO

I have to disagree. I believe the "several steps behind", as you mentioned is the key here.

I do believe once you have years of continuity with a system, are a very good team with solid development, you have the luxury of taking years to develop mid level talent to step in a few years down the road.

I believe a highly competitive, winning team needs to be built first, before that strategy can breed success.

You gotta remember Pit, this is only Farmers second draft where he's "The Man" so to speak. The Pats weren't the Pats you see today when they first hired Belichick. It does take more than a year to get it right.

If you wanna build a quick winner (I think that's what a lot of fans want) you can hit FA real hard and improve your team.

We Tried that once and hit CAP hell. Remember Butch Davis?

It's harder to take and it's frustrating as hell, but the right way in my eyes is to build in such a fashion that you have a successful team for years to come. Not a flash in the pan.

But I guess that's just me.

Ravens also interested in Tramon Williams

I'm not actually one who believes in building through the FA market. Actually, I should have been clearer. I do believe when building your team, which is exactly the mode I believe we're in right now, until we can compete in the division.... a couple of top FA acquisitions would be a good thing, along with lower signings for depth. Not of the Suh variety, but much like last year or the year before.

That helps you set yourself up to have a good roster until you can build through the draft. At the same time, that will not put you in cap hell. It's a balanced approach and not the "all or nothing" that is either black or white but a shade of gray.

The Pats are also in a position where they can trade down in drafts. We see them do it all the time. First you need to have a roster that once again, is competitive in your division before you can employ such a strategy.

We are a team that only won 7 games playing in a schedule against the weakest conference in the league. So far, we lost our starting QB, one of our starting CB's, our starting TE and our first round draft pick at QB is in rehab.

We are not in a position to stay idle in the FA market or trade down in the draft. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we will stay idle in the FA market. But what I am saying is that to try to indicate we are in the same position to use the same strategy as a team like the Pats, I believe is quite unrealistic.

j/c

I wonder what was offered.

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Because he's not that good.

How fast would Fitzgerald kill himself?

Can we give the FO kudos for trying?

They are "trying"

Trade for a big dog like him is, of course if true,a sign that team has no hope in Flash Suspension. Factoring the ammo we have, either they wanted way too much or we were way too cheap, or a combination of the two.

You beat me to it. I'll always give em props for trying.

I feel glad for Fitzgerald that he DIDN'T end up traded to Cleveland.

He's been a class act his entire career, if the Cardinals were to trade him I'd hope they trade him to a contending team.

Cleveland, sadly, at this moment, is WR purgatory....

I won't.....this isn't Little League where everybody gets a trophy. Either succeed or you aren't doing you job....period. The difference between "trying" and not trying isn't what separates successful NFL teams....they are ALL trying (except that time we had Kok...lol). The good teams get it done and the bad teams don't period.

i've never doubted that they weren't "trying." I have seriously doubted (and still do) whether they are competent enough or have a plan to actually succeed.

Hope they prove me wrong.

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Is that the Tebow thing for Philly?

Cecil Shorts signs with Texans

I hope he gets signed! Those who have, or still have faith in Chip will no longer have that faith haha. It's... TEBOW TIME!

Vince Wilfork to Texans

Romeo.

yes...scary.... Bradford who is so frail backed by Tebow?

nice signing... they need help in the middle,, so do we,

They have Sanchez.