DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh McCown...continued...

If they are good enough with the playbook compared to him, then I'd start them..

While I'm not looking forward to what appears to be a 4 or more QB competition..

I don't care if it's Shaw or Thad that comes out as the best.. just find someone.. and stick with them.. for whatever reason you need..

hell, I'm not entirely sure that Connor Shaw can't beat him out.

He got thrown in last year, didn't light it up but wasn't horrible either. He did some nice things. Nice enough to make me wonder if with time and training, could he be a guy to keep us alive until we find "THE GUY"?

I don't know the answer, but I bet he could at least beat out McCown.. Just a guess

I agree with your overall point, but this is not true. McCown was the opening day starter three separate times (Cardinals, Raiders, and last year with the Buccaneers).

I wonder when they will sign Tebow?

I would be more excited to watch Tebow than I am to watch McCown. And with Manziel and Tebow on the same team, ESPN would just turn into the Cleveland Browns network.

Talk about two polar opposites...Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel.

Yes, Tebow, took the job seriously, stayed sober and won a playoff game.

JF, didn't.

I have to agree with you concerning both Lewis and Shaw. Lewis has potential. Average arm and scrambling ability. I have seen him at times be exciting to watch.

Shaw simply has no arm to speak of. Lewis is certainly an upgrade to Shaw. If I saw an odd man out at this point, it would have to be Shaw.

Wasn't Thad Lewis slow with weak scrambling ability? I could have sworn that, maybe I have him confused...I think he was on our roster when we had Josh Johnson and I wanted to see Johnson because of his quicks...I could be wrong though

No, Lewis isn't Michael Vick in his prime, but has above average speed for a QB and has pretty good scrambling ability.

And how did that turn out? (Three times)

If it's true that Tebow has improved his throwing mechanics and accuracy then I would be happy to sign him to our roster and give him a fair chance to compete for the starting role. He won't be worse than anyone we have now and he knows how to win games that's for sure. I admire anyone who pursues their dreams by working their butt off.

I could see a play designed where tebow and manziel are both on the field and one passes to the other then chunks it down field to a now wide open WR or they simply take off running with it.

Thinking of having both Tebow and Manziel gave me the thought of Coach Pettine having an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other. Which one will he listen too?

I am on the record (multiple) as saying that I hate the McCown signing. That doesn't change the fact that he has been a starting QB in the league.

I would hope that he listens to the Professional NFL Coach in his head.... you know- the voice that's been developing since he coached HS ball in Pennsylvania. The voice that has been getting louder in his ear since he's risen through the ranks. The voice that has found a place in his ongoing internal dialogue, as he has gained his experience. And the voice he should now be listening to- above all others- as he makes his in-season/in-game choices.

He should be listening to himself.. to and choose the right QB for the play that was called, for the game/situation in question.

Angels and devils be damned. We need a coach who understands The Game... and picks his personnel to win.

Evidently Sean Mannion showed off the strongest arm of the QB there at the combine. Combine that with his overall talent, size, and experience in a pro style offense, and he is my choice at QB. The more I learn about him, the more I like.

Thinking of having Johnny Rehab and Tebow gave me the thought of vomiting.

+1

I'm 100% off the Manziel band wagon right now, and Tim Tebow isn't a quarterback.

If it were up to me, I would select Bryce Petty in the 2nd round. I really like the kid.

With that said, the ONLY way this team can be competitive next year is with a dominant running game, and a very stout defense.

I watched Petty very closely against Michigan State in the Cotton Bowl.

He has a good size, and very nice mobility for his size (6'3 225).

He had a very quick release and he was making reads, not just throwing to his first target.

He hit a few nice deep passes as well.

The Baylor offense didn't look "gimmicky" like the Oregon one, it just ran an extremely fast paced hurry up.

I like him, and would love to spend a 2nd round pick on him. Let McCown mentor him.

The Baylor offense is extremely "gimmicky." It is a one read spread offense (similar to what Weeden ran).

If we draft Petty in the 2nd round, I will lose all faith in Farmer. It would make no sense.

Mannion is the only guy (other than Winston, who we have no shot at) who has a chance at coming in day one and beating out McCown. He played in a pro style offense in college and is pretty talented physically. He also cannot move a. I am also curious as to why he sucked so bad without Brandin Cooks. I would only take him in the fourth round or later.

you never know what's going to happen with qb's coming out of college. Five qb's were picked before Dan Marino. If a guy has the physical tools and some brains along with the ambition to succeed he has a chance to make it in the NFL. Connor Shaw seems to have the brains and desire but lacks the tools. You have to keep trying until you get that hit.

I agree that you keep trying, but you have to be smart about. All of these guys (Petty, Hundley, Mannion, Grayson, etc.) in this draft are over-hyped because the QB class is terrible. In a normal year they wouldn't be drafted before the fourth round.

I am fine with taking a QB this year, but drafting someone like Petty in the second round is extremely dumb.

I agree with you. If Mannion looks good and you can get him in the 4th rd by all means do it. Earlier than that I wouldn't we have too many other needs.

Big difference between Petty & Weeden though.

#1 - Petty can scramble, and he can do it effectively. Weeden was a stump.
#2 - Petty has a very quick release and has some touch to his throws. Weeden was slow and had to rocket everything.
#3 - Petty (from the highlights I've seen) can maneuver and throw from a crowded pocket. Weeden absolutely could not.

Just my opinion from the couple of highlight videos I've seen AND from watching them play Michigan State.

Anyway, I do like Mannion from Oregon State.

If the Browns like him as well, trade back into the 2nd, or high into the 3rd round to make sure we get him.

I would use a 3rd rounder on Mannion, but only because we have a real need, and I think that a 3rd is reasonable.

You said none of our QBs have ever been starters. Josh McCown has been a starter three times. That is my only point. Are you disputing that McCown has been a starter?

I don't like McCown. I don't want him to be our starter.

It was probably all the crap you have been spewing with the Johnny rehab comments that is making you nauseous, i know it has me. Your attempt to make fun of someone that is working to get his life in order is just low class. I expected more.

Crap I've been spewing? Lol

I'm sorry but the kid brought it all on himself. He's been a cocky, immature player since being drafted. He's been hyped up since being drafted. He's been a jackass and those words are his, not mine. I mean who the Hell talks into a wad of money? He's a joke and I shall address him as such, if that offends you or anyone else - then please use the ignore feature.

If he any humbleness or maturity since being in the NFL, maybe I'd be more appreciative (keyword *more*, I appreciate anyone who recognizes he needs help and then goes to get it) of his enrollment to rehab. But, he is who he is and was who he is. He has more than a drug problem that needs corrected, he's got immaturity issues as well. Plus when he talks to the media, he talks in circles and contradicts himself which makes him look even more the jackass.

He'll need to earn my respect and with respect comes easing off the poking and low blows which BTW, many people are taking and most all are within a valid context. I don't feel sorry for him and if that makes me the A-hole, I'm very willing to accept that. His priorities have been clear since day one, and football (what this city needs of him) was far on the bottom of that list.

JMO

Feeling sorry and acting maturely are two different things.

For example, I am willing to bet at this point that Manziel feels sorry for not acting maturely.

No one is asking you to feel sorry for Manziel. They are asking you to show some respect for someone going through, what seems to be, a real struggle. If you can't do that I feel sorry for you.

I don't need, or want, your sympathy but I can understand the sentiment and points in the post.

That was my last time of referring to him as Johnny Rehab, I promise. I've never been to rehab or had a need for such, but I'm sure people here have been and I could see how they'd take the name calling more personally than me poking at an immature kid that's maybe *trying* to grow up and live.

I'm not sure ANYONE wants McCown to be our starter...

I'm guessing Josh is wanting that

Well unless he's seen our list of previous Qb's then he's probably praying to being the backup. j/k

Probably. Right now almost nobody wants him as the starter... if he starts as the back-up and history repeats itself, by week 5 or 6, the fan base will be screaming for him to come in and give him a standing ovation...

On a side note, and I could put this in any number of threads... if the Browns plan really is to go all in this year for the best QB in the next draft, then wouldn't it be prudent to trade out of the #12 or #19 slot for a first next year from a team you think will be drafting in the top half? Build up that ammunition just in case we don't suck quite bad enough to earn the #1 pick?

A good and fair response...

see we can disagree and be civil about it.

WOW this country is getting soft. He's a PUNK plain and simple.

Johnny rehab...who the hell cares...on another note; here's a guy that would love to play for the Browns;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/24002...leveland-browns