The spread doesn't have to mean you need a Tebow type to run the heck out of the ball.
LeSean McCoy led the league in rushing with Nick Foles as his QB, while running the spread.
I trust Kelly's offensive system over any of the players that have come or gone.
I don't believe in a system over players, though you do have to match the two. The right players in the wrong system or the wrong players in the right system doesn't work.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
The spread doesn't have to mean you need a Tebow type to run the heck out of the ball.
LeSean McCoy led the league in rushing with Nick Foles as his QB, while running the spread.
I trust Kelly's offensive system over any of the players that have come or gone.
I don't believe in a system over players, though you do have to match the two. The right players in the wrong system or the wrong players in the right system doesn't work.
Right, which is why Kelly's purging of players makes sense. He is getting the guys he wants for his system.
--I think that is pretty freaking obvious that the Eagles are keeping Bradford.
--The article that was posted by cfrs from Philly was unreal! The author was a complete shill and deliberately mislead his readership. Sounded like Zac Jackson and that Vince guy from back in the day.
--I would not pigeon hole Kelly into system. I think he can adjust his play calling and design to fit his personnel. I really think he is a bright and creative guy. I just think he just made a stupid move by going after Bradford.
--The article that was posted by cfrs from Philly was unreal! The author was a complete shill and deliberately mislead his readership. Sounded like Zac Jackson and that Vince guy from back in the day.
Just wanted to point out that the author of that piece is an employee of the Eagles. I used it because I think it would be odd to build up a player like they are doing with Bradford, only to trade him later.
--The article that was posted by cfrs from Philly was unreal! The author was a complete shill and deliberately mislead his readership. Sounded like Zac Jackson and that Vince guy from back in the day.
Just wanted to point out that the author of that piece is an employee of the Eagles. I used it because I think it would be odd to build up a player like they are doing with Bradford, only to trade him later.
Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I was wondering. LOL... the guy was making excuses, using hyperbole, making assumptions, etc, etc.
And I agree w/you that it was smart to post it despite the bias. It actually proves that this guy has an inside source w/the Eagles and they really believe in Bradford.
Well, it might not actually PROVE it, but if I was betting, I would put my money firmly behind the Eagles keeping Bradford. He is their guy!
Being the fourth best Seattle DB is selling Maxwell a little short. The other three guys are the three best players at their positions in the NFL.
With that said, I think they overpaid Maxwell. I also think getting Thurmond on a one year contract is a great deal.
You know........when you just talk football.......you have a lot to add to this board. You do a lot of research and you are obviously intelligent. You could be a great asset to this board.
Being the fourth best Seattle DB is selling Maxwell a little short. The other three guys are the three best players at their positions in the NFL.
With that said, I think they overpaid Maxwell. I also think getting Thurmond on a one year contract is a great deal.
You know........when you just talk football.......you have a lot to add to this board. You do a lot of research and you are obviously intelligent. You could be a great asset to this board.
Swear to god sometimes you post like you're the Messiah of Message boards lol, you be killing with that man. cut it out.
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Swish........you continually are under the false impression that I give a damn about what you think about me.
I was trying to encourage him to post more football talk rather than calling people out. He can take it for what it is worth. He can laugh in my face. He can disregard it completely. No worries.
I am no messiah. I just want to point out when people make good football points. It makes the board more enjoyable than all the bickering and all the name-calling. Did you really call me a "messiah" as a compliment, Swish..........or were trying to make fun of me?
Do you see how this goes..........???
So Swish.....here is how it is for me. I think cfrs really is smart. I think he does research. I don't agree w/all his takes, but when he talks football, I love how he presents his arguments. You gotta problem w/that......big freaking deal!
Talking to a few buddies at work....Bradford better learn the play book inside and out and make certain he knows the protection scheme. Chip's offense moves to fast to have a mental breakdown or mistake. The other thing was, gotta feel bad for that linemen that whiffs or messes up his assignment and gets Bradford injured. The consensus of that is not a matter of *if*, but *when*.
Regardless of what Chip says, I doubt Sam is on that roster come regular season. JMO
Schefter reporting that its Demarco Murray likely to the Eagles. So it looks like if Bradford is the guy, he will have his old college roommate in the backfield with him again.
Talking to a few buddies at work....Bradford better learn the play book inside and out and make certain he knows the protection scheme. Chip's offense moves to fast to have a mental breakdown or mistake. The other thing was, gotta feel bad for that linemen that whiffs or messes up his assignment and gets Bradford injured. The consensus of that is not a matter of *if*, but *when*.
Regardless of what Chip says, I doubt Sam is on that roster come regular season. JMO
That won't be a problem for Sam. It's been noted fist to arrive last to leave. Sam had 3 different OCs never missed a beat on Day 1. Sam is all football much like Payton Manning.
In my opinion, one thing stopping Sam from being a pretty good QB is injuries. Also note, Sam's best year was his rookie season under Pat Shurmur. Sam is an ideal WCO quarterback. St. Louis media states Bradford lacked play makers. I say BS. In Sam's first year, he had his worst receiving corp. He nearly broke all of Payton's rookie throwing records. Give Bradford a little protection to keep from getting hurt he'll go far.
Talking to a few buddies at work....Bradford better learn the play book inside and out and make certain he knows the protection scheme. Chip's offense moves to fast to have a mental breakdown or mistake. The other thing was, gotta feel bad for that linemen that whiffs or messes up his assignment and gets Bradford injured. The consensus of that is not a matter of *if*, but *when*.
Regardless of what Chip says, I doubt Sam is on that roster come regular season. JMO
That won't be a problem for Sam. It's been noted fist to arrive last to leave. Sam had 3 different OCs never missed a beat on Day 1. Sam is all football much like Payton Manning.
In my opinion, one thing stopping Sam from being a pretty good QB is injuries. Also note, Sam's best year was his rookie season under Pat Shurmur. Sam is an ideal WCO quarterback. St. Louis media states Bradford lacked play makers. I say BS. In Sam's first year, he had his worst receiving corp. He nearly broke all of Payton's rookie throwing records. Give Bradford a little protection to keep from getting hurt he'll go far.
Oh I agree, especially the injury holding him back from being a good QB. Unfortunately, that's a pretty large issue. For me, it's a deal breaker.
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Give Bradford a little protection to keep from getting hurt he'll go far.
Yes they better keep him from taking devastating hits like this..
Yeah, he's liable to get injured walking the dog. Just too fragile which new offense, new coordinator, no true #1 WR, a city use to injuries to key players and the list continues are just a few reasons why I hope we look the other way.
I think that he has some talent, though I don't know if he has as much talent as a #1 overall pick should have .... but it's hard to show any of your talent if you are constantly on IR.
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I would be very horrified if he slid too. Imagine the carnage he might inflict on his body. The second he is exposed to the defense he is compromised...
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer on March 17, 2015 at 6:33 PM, updated March 17, 2015 at 7:13 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- I happen to believe the Browns were one of the teams that offered a first-round pick for Sam Bradford.
As I wrote earlier, the Browns were not going to be able to deal for Bradford for one simple reason -- they had no quarterback of consequence to trade.
The Rams were tired of Bradford's injuries. He's played only seven games in the last two years because of two major knee problems, both requiring ACL surgery. So St. Louis shipped him to Philadelphia for Eagles quarterback Nick Foles. The Rams had to find a decent QB somewhere if they were going to part with Bradford.
The Eagles now have Bradford and Mark Sanchez as quarterbacks. Eagles coach Chip Kelly loves Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. Supposedly, Mariota is falling in the draft. It happens. Just ask Teddy Bridgewater, who fell all the way from a projected top 10 pick to No. 30 last season. Aaron Rodgers was another projected top 10 pick, and he fell to No. 24 (and Green Bay) in 2005.
Kelly has the 20th pick in the draft. Given Bradford's knee problems, he makes about as much sense for the Eagles' hyper-energy offense as a pickup truck does in a sprint car race. Mariota played for Kelly at Oregon, and he's been trained for that unique style of football.
No matter what Kelly says, it seems clear that he traded for Bradford to possibly use in another deal -- especially for Mariota.
BRADFORD AND THE BROWNS?
So what does this mean to the Browns?
They have the No. 12 and No. 19 picks. I bet they could trade the No. 12 pick right now for Bradford. Should the Browns do it? I keep asking myself that question.
Here's the bad stuff on Bradford:
2009: Major shoulder injury in his last year at Oklahoma, played only three games. Still was the No. 1 pick in the 2010 draft to St. Louis.
2011: Missed six games with a significant ankle sprain.
2013: Played seven games, then tore the ACL in his left knee.
2014: Injured the same knee in a preseason game at Cleveland, had surgery and missed all 16 games.
Scary, right? That's why I don't believe Kelly will keep him. But it's also why I would not trade the No. 12 pick for Bradford. That selection should yield an instant starter.
WHY WOULD THE BROWNS WANT HIM?
But what about the 19th pick? Now, it becomes interesting.
Besides the injuries, here are some other key facts on Bradford:
Contract: He's in the final season with a $13 million salary. So if he's injured, the Browns take the $13 million hit -- but that's it.
Age and character: He's 27 and a very mature guy.
Sitting out: He started the first seven games of 2013 and was injured. He has not been in a regular-season game since then, although he played three preseason games in 2015.
When he plays: In his last two seasons, he had a 10-12-1 record as a starter. He threw 35 touchdown passes compared to 17 interceptions in those 22 games, an 86.2 quarterback rating.
So if you're the Browns, you can look at the tapes of those games in 2012 and 2013 and easily say, "He's a lot better than anything we have right now."
And then your doctors can stare at MRIs of his left knee and probably give you 50 reasons not to trade much for him.
THE QUARTERBACK PROBLEM
Right now, Josh McCown is the starting quarterback. He will be 36 on July 4. He played only 11 games and was injured last season. He has been mostly a backup.
Johnny Manziel is in rehabilitation, dealing with his substance abuse issues. Even if Manziel pulls his personal life together, there are major questions about Manziel's physical ability to be a starting quarterback.
The other quarterbacks on the roster are Thad Lewis and Connor Shaw, both considered backups. Matt Schaub was just cut by Oakland, but his last good year was 2012.
That's why I'd roll the draft-day dice by trading the No. 19 pick for Bradford.
The quarterback situation is so full of questions and the draft supplies no real answers for the Browns. The one place where Mariota probably can immediately play is Philadelphia. He hasn't called plays from a huddle since high school.
The Browns will have some type of conventional offense, and Mariota would struggle. But Bradford can immediately start and do a credible job -- if he's healthy.
Yes, it's a big IF, but him having only one year on the contract would make it worth the Browns taking a chance by dealing the No. 19 pick for him.
I would give a 12 for Bradford. Call me crazy. We need a damn QB though. If our OL can't protect him, no one can. But, he looks as brittle as a leaf in his ACL injury last year. You can call me desperate too.
No matter who we have at QB ends up hurt sometime in the season anyways, so I wouldn't mind getting Bradford at all. At least he's decent when he's not hurt.
I would give a 12 for Bradford. Call me crazy. We need a damn QB though. If our OL can't protect him, no one can. But, he looks as brittle as a leaf in his ACL injury last year. You can call me desperate too.
You kinda left the door open here, so here goes... . Enough... you're OK
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I would offer the 19th first but if it came down to it then the 12th with maybe a little future compensation. Like next years 4th with a drop down a round if he plays so many games.
Really after looking at the pickups so far and after seeing our roster, I wouldn't be surprised at all (actually i really think we will) if we either
- trade a first for a QB (Bradford or Brees though I don't see much of a chance NO will trade him)
- trade a 3rd or 4th for a QB (i think clevesteve brought this up before) i.e. Chase Daniel or Aaron Murray considering KC has 5 qb's at the moment
- try to trade back to pick up a 1st for next year.
The way I look at it is we are" basically" set for the defense. We can still use our 12th or 19th whichever we don't trade for a DE/DT or a WR. The second round you can pick the opposite or BPA from a need (or TE Maxx Williams if he's still there).
I have no issues on taking a chance on Bradford. If he works out, awesome. If he doesn't well.... we will be doing the same thing next year anyways (that's also if Johnny doesn't pan out). If he does do well, then we are either franchising him or transition tagging him since it's the last year of his contract.
Yes, I know it's a gamble. But I would rather the FO keep trying to find our QB then to half ass it.
Also would rather have our depth chart look like Bradford, McCown, Manziel, Shaw then having McCown penciled in as starter at this point in time.
I'd give up our top pick for Bradford, but I'd make the Philly negotiators really work for it. I'd also look to get some sort of conditional pick come back to us based on playing time. Bradford would be the closest thing to "the guy" that we could feasibly get right now, and QB is why we have 2 firsts this off-season. Go get him if he's there for the taking.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
If the big three WR's are gone (Cooper, White and Parker) as well as Mariota and Shelton, I would actually really like to trade out of the #12 spot for more picks this year, or a first round pick next year. If we could find a team such as Green Bay, or Arizona who might want to move up (swap 1st round picks) for a good pass rusher or offensive lineman in exchange for a 3rd round pick this year AND a 1st round pick next year, I would probably take that deal. As it sits now, we're already looking at 3 or 4 compensatory picks in the 2016 draft due to the FA's we've lost....
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