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I don't disagree. We may disagree on exactly how close we are. If the guy flops again this year, the book probably closes. If he starts to show the things we hope, maybe what we have been reading to this point is the preface.

YEah that and I'd need to see it be a 4th next year so that you could make it conditional on playing time. That way if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world.

The fascination with QB's that aren't QB's just because they are athletic constantly astounds me.

We dodged a bullet by not being able to trade up for this guy... why on Earth would we voluntarily step back in front of that bullet?

If you're going to be gunned down anyway, wouldn't you rather that be by a Griffin or Bradford bullet instead of a McCown bullet?

LOL Gunned down is gun downed. Dead is dead. Doesn't matter who pulled the trigger.

With McCown I doubt there is much chance of him being any thing of value.

With Bradford, there is a strong chance he'll be very good, there is however a stonger chance that he'll get injured and not play.

With RG3, he's athletic and can throw, but he's fragile and makes mistakes.

A gun is a gun, if it's fired at you and hits in the right spot, your dead. Doesn't matter

As a bud from work would say, if you can't teach RGIII to slide, how you going to teach him to become a pocket Passer?

Of the two, Bradford would likely be the better choice for our scheme if I had to pick one. I'd pass on both though, unless it was for a pick that was so late round or something, but that's just simply not ever be a feasible option for either of those two.

Here lies Damon(shot) with a McCown bullet, it was old and rusty, the gun didn't go bang, only a faint ping could be heard when fired…

Not how I want my epitaph to read.

Here lies Tulsa with a McCown/RG3/Bradford bullet, it was old and rusty, the gun didn't go bang, only a faint ping could be heard when fired…

Not how I want my epitaph to read.

See, it works no matter what name you put in there

Or it could read

Here lies Tulsa, a RG3/Bradford bullet fired from a hospital bed... etc...

Tab has this right I like Mike Shanahan, but he screwed up RGIII ...USA Today reported that – "contrary to previous statements made by Head Coach Mike Shanahan – Dr. James Andrews had not cleared Griffin to return for the post-injury plays in the December 9 game. Griffin then re-injured his knee later in the wild card loss to the Seahawks. Griffin underwent surgery on January 9 and both his LCL and ACL were repaired." Trust lost...damage done.

Mangini did the same thing with Brett Favre to try and keep his job with the Jet's. I do believe Mangini was fined for that later. Not sure though.

I would be fine going with a low-risk gamble on RG3 (a fourth rounder would be the absolute highest I would go). I'd rather make it a conditional pick where if he takes the majority of the snaps, the pick goes higher, but otherwise stays in the 5-6 range.

The only reason I'd trade any asset for this guy is that the QB options out there are pretty bleak. Anybody we get will have their warts. RG3 has just a good a chance of turning out great for us than anyone else we bring in (as well as the ones we have).

Also, if I had to choose between the two, I'd take RG3 over Manziel. At least RG3 has shown SOMETHING in his NFL career. Give the guy time in a low-pressure situation to get his head on straight and figure out his technique. If that happens, you trot him out there in our run-heavy, QB-friendly scheme and we win the Superbowl. Seems simple, right? :-)

I agree Shanahan (one or both) didn't handle RG3 correctly, but you cannot ignore that a new staff is having similar issues here regarding maturity. Forget the injury part, this guy is becoming a locker room issue. Not too mention he is 'Colt McCoy-ing' it with Dad always looming around. It just looks like a disaster from the outside looking in.

If Bradford is worth the 19th pick, then Griffin is worth way more than that. He is more talented and has had more success on the field. If Griffin was available for a fourth round pick every team should try and trade for him because of his potential upside. But once every team tried some team would offer more than a fourth to get him, and then another, and then another, and so on and so forth.

Because our QB is Josh McCown.

Ummmm... no.

I'd rather bring back Robert Griffith to QB for us.... at least HE has enough football talent to recognize a defense.

Since your obvious hatred of Kyle is so evident, there is no need for continued debate. If you see an obvious HC decision as something you can pawn off on an OC, it's obvious where the agenda is.

The final decision is that of the HC in who plays and who doesn't, not the OC. And your reference of him having so much power? You're basing that strictly on something written by someone you would call a BOZO unless and until they write something you wish to believe. Then suddenly a BOZO turns into a prophet. Funny how that works isn't it?

WHOA there. They are both very talented guys. In different ways but both very talented. And they are both prone to injuries.

Making neither of them worth much at all in the way of draft picks.

Someone threw out giving a 4th for RG3, I'd say fair enough. But Bradford really doesn't command more. Neither can stay on the field.

As Tab said, it has to do with trust issues with the team in general. That goes all the way up to the FO and owners, not just the coaching staff.

IMO he'll be much better as he regains his confidence and trust with a team.

J/c
I have a ham Sandwich... I'd trade RG3 for that. and a 7th rounder

When did we resign Peyton Hillis?

RGIII........He was like a one hit wonder. R.I.P.

Did RGIII throw 20 TDs against 5 picks BECAUSE he was able to run, which he now cannot or should not do? Was his threat to take off something that canceled out an inability to read defenses? If so, the only way to get back some of that is to teach him how to play quarterback as a pocket passer, and I just don't think I am on board with that.

But if it is a confidence thing, and a scheme thing, sure! Curious as to what some of the savvier posters have to say.

Actually no Tab, you are wrong. When a player is injured, the decision as to whether he's ready to return weighs on the doctors, not the OC. When a player is hurt, the doctors are the ones who talk with the HC and the HC makes the decision.

You keep trying to blame the OC for decisions that rest between the medical staff and the HC. That crap don't hold water for anyone who knows how the process works.

Even you know better. That's why it can only be your personal feelings about Kyle that are influencing what you are posting.

I guess what I'm saying is quite simplistic. There isn't an OC in the NFL that decides a player with an injury should start. They don't have that responsibility.

Now when it comes to Mike Shanahan, I agree with you. And while I do believe that Kyle is a good OC, there are issues with him that I'm not comfortable with as well.

It's just that with this particular issue, Kyle didn't hold the power to make the call on starting RG3.

lol

I believe there's a huge difference in who makes the decision and who has input. I believe a lot of people gave their input to the HC. Most likely from the Snyder and including the OC.

However, giving your input and making the decision is two completely different things. That decision sets firmly on the shoulders of the HC.

Just as I wouldn't blame Flip for whoever Pettine decides to play, I won't blame Kyle for who Mike decided to play.

If you're changing your opinion as to Kyle having some input in the process, then we probably agree there. However, we both know the final decision and responsibility for who plays rests on the shoulders of the HC.