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Nope. Falcons will get hit harder. Browns might not even lose a pic.

Not arguing, Slick. But a first is really harsh IMO for this incident. What are you seeing that takes a first. Feel like I am missing a very large boat here.

A 4th round pick as potential punishment? If true, then wow. Pretty big bounty for, IMO, a pretty trivial infraction of a rule.

I see it as coming true though. If it can go bad, chances are you're in Browns Town

Wow. That is WAYY more than I expect to see for the Browns. Craziness. If I am Goodell, I think I would want to dial back some of these judge, jury, executioner types of decisions.

Feel like The Game is a horrible slow motion train wreck. Change is queen.

I'd be okay with having to give up a 1st round pick as punishment .... as long as it was in the form of Johnny Manziel

I agree Dawg and I'm tired of it. you would think that the people that run this team, from the owner on down, would play it straight given the history of this franchise over the last 35+ years or so. It makes me sick to think we will lose a draft pick but I'm sure it will happen and be worse than we think.

Eo...j/c on you.

Someone mentioned on the old thread, that they thought cell phones were not allowed on the sidelines, does anybody know if thats true? If it is then we should not be hit with anything. No one received a text until after the game? help me out

I guess after we lose some draft picks we'll have to hope we hit on some UDFA again. What a joke!!

I think they piped in extra crowd noise on the PA system.

Yeah, it's pretty shameful. No question about that. This punishment only distances ourselves more so from the goal of "bringing a winner to Cleveland" we keep hearing from this front office.

Big draft for Farmer. Like him, love him or hate him - we cannot afford another first round total disaster. Got to hit some home runs with our first round picks, then Noone will remember or care we lost a 4th or whatever is in store for us.

I'll admit, I LOL'd.

I know nobody would bet on him playing well and I was on the "don't draft Manziel" bandwagon last year, but I'm going to predict him hitting rock bottom will change him for the better and it might make him an average to good QB in the NFL (assuming he's truly fixed).

IIRC, for 2 years, all of their home games.

They should get hammered. That is a competitive advantage.

I wonder who Farmer texted. I cannot imagine that a coach would have his cell phone on him during the game. As I said a long time ago, anyway, I don't get what the difference is between that and Jerry Jones going to the sidelines.

While that's very positive and wishful thinking, we have no idea. And we will probably never have an idea.

That's the way this works. Farmer takes ownership of what he did, but doesn't tell anyone what he did. So all we have is guess work and conjecture.

Unless to justify the final punishment, the NFL decides to let the details out.

Since when has Goodell cared about justifying punishments?

According to "the letter of the law" one is against the rules and one isn't. And for some reason I'm not sure the NFL gives a damn about "the spirit of the law".



Some of us have been saying this for a while. The difference is, it didn't directly impact the Browns so some simply didn't care enough to seriously consider it.

Maybe by the time this thing is over, more will understand it.

I'm not saying he's terrible at his job. He's done some good, and some bad.. obviously people only focus on the bad..

The really bad part is, he could be the worst Commissioner ever, if he continues to make the owners more money, he will keep his job..

The Patriots didn't do anything.

I still say the NFL's punishment should be to give us MORE draft picks.

I assume if they take a pick from us, whomever was directly behind us will draft a QB there and go on to win multiple Super Bowls with him..

Intent to cheat .... like maybe having a coach wander onto the field while the opponent is returning a kick for a TD?

How is he getting a pass? Him, and likely the team, are about to be punished.

i would not consider making a boneheaded mistake and texting to the sidelines as an offense worthy of being fired.

it was dumb as hell, sure, but he's likely going to be fined pretty harshly, and im sure he wont be making that mistake again.

And you're right, he broke the rules and should be punished. But there's talk of a 4th rounder and a suspension looming...while Tomlin was find only $100k for him trying to influence a KR by coming onto the field. You tell me, is texting the same or worse than a head coach trying to tackle a player from the opposing team?

Fine Farmer $100k or slightly more, but a suspension and draft pick removal is just absurd.

Has one person said that we don't deserve any sort of punishment?

No, but I have to agree with Bone that a lot of people have been making a lot of excuses.

Excuses?

What he did was against the rules. It's also worth noting that the punishment is not defined ahead of time. What would be the purpose of not having a clearly-defined punishment associated with the violation other than to consider the circumstances of what happened before deciding the punishment? The spirit of the rule is clearly to prevent a competitive advantage due to extra sources of information. This is not what was going on. This was complaining. If anything, it was a disadvantage/detriment to the team.

According to a quote I read credited to Goodel, it is irrelevant if the Browns obtained a competitive advantage. I would somewhat disagree with him on that statement, but I think it leads evidence to AS report that penalties will be "severe."

Regardless, it is the Browns fault for doing it in the first place. We can go on anti-Roger rants afterwards, but at the end of the day whatever the punishment is doesn't happen if the Browns didn't do something so utterly stupid.

Farmer takes ownership of what he did, but doesn't tell everyone what he did.

While I don't dismiss your view, I also don't accept them.

I haven't seen anything documented that states who was texted and, or what the content of those texts were. I've seen some suggestions, vague accusations and projections. Yet nobody has stated who the texts were sent to nor the context of those texts. And if, just for the sake of arguement, if Farmers intent was to get better players into the line up, or better plays to be called on the field, then his intent was to get an advantage over what was currently transpiring on the field of play, no matter the outcome.

As is per usual, we will most likely never know for sure. But if you honestly feel the NFL is more concerned with "the spirit of the law" than they are about sending a message and the appearance of their integrity, I'd say you along with others may be in for a big dissapointment.

So are you insinuating the public? If so, that pretty aligns with my view that we'll never truly know what happened.

Who cares?

me