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YES!

And by the same token, there's no guarantee Mariota is available for such a trade. Maybe Tampa Bay or Tennessee are just as sold as you are.

I like Mariota. He's the only QB in this draft who I think has a chance to be great. But I don't think we have a chance for him. And even if we do, it will cost dearly. I don't see that as our only option, mostly because I don't see solving the obvious QB problem as something we HAVE to do right now. I take a long view. I've read your arguments, and they are good arguments, I just don't agree that QB is something we have to solve right now. We still don't know what we have in JFF, we still have improvements we need to make at other positions and overall depth, and there may be better options down the road. I just don't feel your sense of urgency.

j/c

Here's something I find odd. People are saying we will suck so much this year because we don't have a QB. Their answer is to trade multiple first round picks and maybe more to solve it.

However, if we really end up sucking as much as they claim this year, we will be in the perfect position to draft a great QB next year.

charlie casserly has us getting marcus plus parker let me dream

charlie casserly thinks your wrong.

If the Titans want Mariota there is nothing anyone can do. We could offer them four first round picks and they would say no. If their is a QB you think can be above-average for five years in a row (and you don't have a QB already), you have to take him.

If Mariota falls to 12. I would take him.

If he falls out of the top 5, and we can move the 12 up without using another 1st rounder, I do it.

If neither of those things happen. I sit back, let the draft come to me. Maybe even trade back for the right offer..

I mean, I like Mariota, I dont think he's great.. more of a Ryan Tannehill type, ok out of the gate, gets better every year, etc..

But if he was a potential franchise QB, theres no way Tennessee would pass on him.. let alone him drop out of the top 5..

+1

by that logic, that means Aaron Rodgers was sloppy seconds.

"Yep but I thought Rodgers was better than Smith at the time. I know Winston is better than Mariota."
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You may have thought that but others teams did not.

You believe Winston is better than Mariota. You do not know that and neither does any one else.

That is the whole point. Teams view players differently. No different than fans and analysts putting out Mocks drafts.

I think the Rodgers/Smith swap is one of my favorite "What ifs?" In the NFL..

While Rodgers may not have been "Aaron Rodgers" if he started his rookie year, he couldn't have been worse than Smith..

And going to Green Bay (or anywhere) and sitting for a few years would of been the best thing to happen to Alex Smith..

A lot people that even dislike JFF believe that 7 quarters is not long enough to rate a player. We just spent a 1st rounder on a QB. Give him a year at LEAST with the talent we have and are going to acquire. I belive with what we have, if we add another big WR and beef up our Dline and Oline, then if he fails its on him. Then we go again next year with a new QB. But I do not want to waste another pick(s) on a QB when there very well could be a chance we have our starter on the roster already.

Lets say we reach and draft a QB, JFF starts the year, he does poorly, the fans call for a switch (which they will) and the staff makes a switch. What if the guy you drafted this year is a bum too? Guess what, now you got two first round bums, and will be picking another Qb next year.

I vote we ride out JFF this year. If it doesnt work out, we get our guy next year.

According to that logic, you would never draft a QB because he might be a bum.

Now I'm not really disagreeing with your premise. I don't believe 6 or 7 quarters of football is enough to announce JFF as a failure. But that's us, as fans who know nothing that really went on behind the scenes. We don't know about what the coaching staff did and didn't see in his skill set. We don't know if the coaching staff believes that rehab will be enough to turn JFF around.

To put it directly, we as fans simply don't have enough information to determine what should and what should not be done here.

Does this FO have enough confidence to put all of their eggs in the JFF basket? Do they really see a better option in this draft?

I don't believe any of us know the answer to that question right now.

If we draft a QB in the first round, maybe even the first 2 or 3...

They are most likely going to start, if not.. At least be ahead of Manziel on the depth chart..

According to that logic, you would never draft a QB because he might be a bum.

I think since this yr. is a really bad yr. for QB's. We can kill 2 birds with one stone, in that we can see what we have in JFF and if that fails then we would be set up for a better QB class in 2016.

EO, so Big Ben wins the SB if Santonio Holmes doesn't make that crazy sideline catch?

or Eli gets his SB against the SB without mannigham and that crazy catch with the ball on his helmet?

huh....


but anyway i get your point about Rodgers. I was just saying that the guy did slide, because if he was THAT good at the time, he wouldn't had slid that much. or he would've gotten picked over Alex Smith. Basically what i'm saying is, just because a QB slides doesn't mean much.

for example, it could be that Mariota gets picked 1st and Winston slides, but as prospects Winston is the better QB. Does that mean we should take him if he falls to 12? just a question, as i never actually knew what your take was on Winston. maybe thats because you think we had no shot at him in the first place? Normally you talk alot about QB's. just wondering bro.

That was Tyree with the helmet catch, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't a high pick. I'm not really sure what your questions are getting at, Swish.

Would Brady have gotten his most recent SB without a great play by an undrafted CB? As much as QBs get the credit, it's still a team sport for everyone.

As far as quarterbacks, did anyone watch those Austin Dodge highlights? I think he could fit what we seem to be trying to do on offense. Pettine seems to be a ground and pound sort of guy of the Rex Ryan persuasion. Lots of running and then taking deep shots out of play action to keep the D from stacking the box.

I like Mariota and he's better at deep throws than I thought, but it's still not his forte. I'm not sure I like him enough to trade up for him, especially with the revolving door of first round QBs we've had (Quinn, Weeden, and potentially Manziel). I think we've got to give Manziel the reins and let him sink or swim this season. We can't keep starting over with our continuity.

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Dawg Pound Journal: 2 quarterbacks moving up draft boards?

Garrett Grayson, Bryce Petty take potential leap forward with pro days

Let’s not pretend to overly hype up pro days for quarterbacks: They stand in a t-shirt and shorts and throw to wide open receivers.

Nevertheless, there is still pressure on these NFL hopeful gunslingers to perform at a high level. And in the recent days, two of them have.

Bryce Petty of Baylor and Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson, both projected to be mid-round picks, are garnering some buzz in league circles.

The 6-foot-3, 230-pound Petty has been commended as a field general, coming up with big-time throws in clutch situations while leading Baylor to back-to-back Big 12 conference championships.

Petty effectively operated Baylor’s run-and-shoot spread offense, but that’s exactly the question that’s surrounded him throughout the pre-draft process – does his skill set transfer to a pro-style offense?

To take action on this, all of Petty’s 77 passes at his pro day were from under center, and he completed 69 of them (five of those incompletions were dropped by receivers). Cowboy’s quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson told the Dallas Morning News it was Petty’s touch passing that has intrigued Dallas and other teams to take a harder look at the quarterback.

The most recent quarterback prospect to take center stage is Grayson. The 6-foot-2, 213-pounder thrived for the Rams in the Mountain West, tossing 32 touchdowns, 4,000 yards and only seven interceptions during his senior season. NFL.com wrote that Grayson is perceived much higher in the scouting community than he is from media mock drafts.

A pulled hamstring caused Grayson to miss the NFL Combine back in February, but in his own private workout Monday at Colorado State, he took control of his narrative.

Grayson, Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and quarterbacks coach Kevin O’Connell in attendance, completed 70-of-74 passes and ran an unconfirmed 4.59-second 40-yard dash.

Scouting reports say Grayson is accurate and showed an adept pocket presence in college but doesn’t have the strongest arm and uses a wacky throwing motion.

The Browns gobbled up Josh McCown before free agency started and the Texans struck a deal with Brian Hoyer. Behind those two, the pickings have been slim in terms of quarterbacks, which means many teams are going to heavily consider both Petty and Grayson to bring in additional competition.

Wow, I had no idea Grayson was that fast!

His throwing motion is beyond wacky, but I think his arm is strong enough. Give him a year or two, and I like him just as much as Winston.

Petty has the ability to be the best QB in this draft, right up there with Mariota, IMO. Petty has everything except experience and footwork in an NFL offense. Give him that, he'll be a high level starter in the league.

Correct, I am just saying that I think we need to find out what we have before we start wasting draft picks on other players is my point. But I agree with what you said.

I asked you a few QB questions and you went on another epic rant about WRs.

To get back on topic, I agree you can make do with average WR's IF and only IF you have a top tier QB throwing them the ball. So that its really the only thing that matters.

I believe with the WR we have it would extremely helpful to get a true #1 WR, but honestly, if we had a QB to throw him the ball, they could get by just fine.

QB's make recievers more than WR's make QBs

seriously? are you that childish?

so you're saying you answered these questions:

but anyway i get your point about Rodgers. I was just saying that the guy did slide, because if he was THAT good at the time, he wouldn't had slid that much. or he would've gotten picked over Alex Smith. Basically what i'm saying is, just because a QB slides doesn't mean much.

for example, it could be that Mariota gets picked 1st and Winston slides, but as prospects Winston is the better QB. Does that mean we should take him if he falls to 12? just a question, as i never actually knew what your take was on Winston. maybe thats because you think we had no shot at him in the first place? Normally you talk alot about QB's. just wondering bro.
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that was on the same post as the WR part.

you didn't answer any questions had ask regarding your take on Winston or if we should take him at 12, the other QB parts.

learn to freaking read, since now you want to throw insults out there.

J/C

I know it was a long time ago, but I'd say the Steelers won at least one, if not 2 of their '70s Super Bowls as a pretty direct result of Swann and Stalworth. Now that's only a small example, but to say it NEVER happens, isn't totally accurate.

I def think it is SAFE to say, that whatever happens and whoever falls where, Farmer will draft the SAFEST pick.

Farmers only downside (other than textgate) has been JF and JG last year in round 1.He will look to rectify that and go with a safe pick I believe. DT and OL maybe??? I honestly do not think he will draft a QB regardless of who is there at 12 due to this fact and the fact they have come out and supported JF. JMO

Nevada QB - Cody Fajardo

Cody Fajardo of Nevada has look of a draftable quarterback

Gil Brandt
NFL Media senior analyst

Representatives from nine NFL teams were present for Nevada's pro day on Wednesday, when 13 players worked out outdoors on FieldTurf.

Quarterback Cody Fajardo (6-foot-1 5/8, 223 pounds) went through an impressive, 54-play scripted workout led by noted quarterback coach Steve Calhoun. Fajardo was accurate with his passes and had good velocity on the ball. The quality of Fajardo's pro day workout lifted him into being a selection in the 2015 NFL Draft.

At the NFL Scouting Combine, Fajardo was among the top performers at quarterback in the 40-yard dash, three-cone drill and 20-yard short shuttle.

I agree. I think Fajardo is one of the few QBs I wouldn't mind us drafting on Day 3.

The comeback he led against Grayson's Rams was pretty sweet. He also probably threw the ball second-best at the combine.

Someone here wrote that when you draft a QB in the first round you expect him to be your starter. This may be true, but I don't think it should be.

Virtually every year, good, promising young QBs come out of college and are drafted early in the first round by teams who don't have good QB. But if they are drafting that high, QB probably isn't that team's only problem. So they get thrust into the starting role before they have had a chance to learn the pro game. And they are doing so on a team that usually can't protect them. Their confidence gets shaken, they are often physically injured, and they change their approach to the game, away from what made them good in college.

The QB is the team's brain. While it may be easy for a RB or WR to step in as a rookie and immediately excel, the QB has to learn a system more complex than anything he has ever played before, has to learn the abilities of each of his players and how to work with those abilities, and he has to learn the far more complex defenses of the other teams in the league. That is A LOT to ask.

I believe that it is ALWAYS preferable to red-shirt QBs, always preferable to let them spend their first year on the sidelines learning by watching, talking with the starter and coaches, and spending long hours watching game film.

The problem is that most of the time, the teams that draft them can't do that. They have fan bases and owners who want wins NOW! So they get thrown into the fire too soon and end up not realizing their full potential.

JC

Having (2) 1st rounders is a luxury. We have to make sure it nets us a franchise QB.

If its not Mariota, trade #19 for a 2016 1st rounder. We have to keep the ammo. It would be a major shame to have The GUY there in 2016 and not have the picks to go get him.

If we don't draft the franchise QB in 2015, Pay It Forward so we can next time. Repeat as long as necessary.

I like that thinking.

I was about to say that you can't net a franchise QB if there isn't one to be had..

But you went on to say it very we'll yourself!

I'm not saying we HAVE to trade 19 back for a 1st rounder in 2016.. But if the offer is there, and it's valuable enough, I would take it..

I'm also still ok with selling these picks for the last few years of someone that's already a franchise QB.. seriously.. I just want a QB..