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Posted by Mike Florio on April 9, 2015, 10:19 AM EDT

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The NFL has two types of teams: Those with franchise quarterbacks, and those trying to find a franchise quarterback.

Within the latter characterization is a subcategory: Those so desperate to find a franchise quarterback that they’ll do anything to get one however they can and whatever it takes.

The Browns sit atop that subcategory. After burning a first-round pick in 2012 on Brandon Weeden and a first-round pick in 2014 on Johnny Manziel, the Browns are truly interested in using their two first-round picks in 2015 to move up and get Marcus Mariota, per multiple league sources.

Cleveland has selections No. 12 and No. 19. They acquired the 19th pick from Buffalo after trading down only five spots last year, from No. 4 to No. 9, so that the Bills could get receiver Sammy Watkins. Given that the price to jump from No. 9 to No. 4 in 2014 was a future first-round pick and a future fourth-round pick, it’s hard to know whether the No. 12 and No. 19 picks would be enough to get Mariota.

One major factor will be how high the Browns have to go to get him. If the Titans don’t take Mariota at No. 2 (and there’s a definite belief in some circles that they won’t, regardless of whether they should), the Jaguars at No. 3 and the Raiders at No. 4 surely won’t take him, because they each picked up competent young quarterbacks in last year’s draft. Would No. 12 and No. 19 be enough to give up a shot at edge rusher Dante Fowler, Jr. (for the Jaguars) or receivers Kevin White/Amari Cooper (for the Raiders)?

If not, Washington becomes the hot spot at No. 5. They’ve been trying to create the impression that they’d take Mariota if he’s there. That could be aimed at ensuring someone else takes him in the first four picks, pushing the guy they really want into their clutches. Or it could be aimed at creating leverage for a trade, with the “or else” in the negotiations being that, absent an offer that gets their attention from a team that covets Mariota, Washington will simply take him.



Hmmm , we know the Browns have been silent pretty much about this..last thing I read ,they were not interested in using both 1st to move up..

LOL, I just really don't know what to believe. Every year at this time, rumors surface saying this team or that team will move heaven and earth to get player X. And the funny thing is, the last time that rumor held true was the redskins/Rams trade for RGIII.

When was the last time a team gave up a bunch to get a player and it worked out?

The comment that I remember best is "We won't risk our future on a QB". Now to me, that means high future picks. Not any or a combination of this years picks and or players. Haslam also said they "have to get a QB". So to me, almost anything is possible, or not. lol

I would be fine with giving up both of our firsts this year for a QB. Trading future firsts usually ends up in disaster.

I did my homework on the QB's last year and all it got me was PO'd on draft day. I haven't even bothered with it this year.

Just do it. Heck, maybe since we spend so many single first round picks on dud QB's, if we spend two first round picks on one, it'll be like magic or something! The stars will have aligned at that single instant the card is submitted!

I started from the position that if Mariota falls to 12, we take him, but I am generally opposed to trading up. It rarely goes well. I have even suggested, if Mariota falls to 12, we trade the pick for whatever we can get.

I'm coming around. I have read, watched video, and politely argued with some on this board. The more I learn about him, the more I like him. I'm still not ready to trade more than 2 picks, and would prefer to keep the #19 if possible, but I'm ready to concede that trading up to get him is desirable.

I think some of those duds may have been good on other teams. We have ruined some good prospects in my opinion. Would big ben have had the same career in Cleveland had we picked him? I doubt it.

i don't care if we use both first on a QB this year.

but it better be winston, not mariota.

This makes way more sense than having us help Kelly move up for him and taking in return a glass house.

I would pass on the guy if he were available at either 12 or 19. Hopefully, this is just a stupid rumor that has no substance.

Wow VERS I agree, why trade away 2 picks that could give us 2 great position players to take another chance on a 1st rd. QB ... Please I hope this is a rumor also

But the rumor seems to be gaining more traction every day now. Where there's smoke, there is at least a likelihood of fire...

silly season is upon us....two weeks left

Winston and Mariotta could be there at 19 and I would go another route.

If the Browns believe that Mariota can make the mental leap, then no doubt in my mind we should move up.

He can make all the throws. With ease.

Hot damn I don't know if we should try to trade up or not... It would be nice having Mariota under our belt at the beginning of the season - I guess??? but we do have other positions that need to be filled.

I'm leaning towards don't do it.

We already have two projects at quarterback. Manziel and Shaw. Do we seriously need to add a third?

Marcus Mariota might have the physical tools, but he came from a gimmicky offense where he probably never played under center, never called his own plays, and probably never had to adjust a play or read a defense at the line pre-snap.

If we're going to trade the house for a QB we might as well go after the guy whose NFL ready now and that's Jameis Winston.

I don't want to trade a bunch of picks to move up for Mariota.

If he drops to #12 so be it, take the kid, but we still have AT LEAST three or four positions that need addressed in this draft.

MR. Kelso I couldn't agree more. Don't trade picks to move up for Mariota. We have an opportunity to really improve our whole team with this deep draft and all our picks. Let's draft well and finally solve our weaknesses, like our run D, wr and pass rush.

IMO, this is not a particularly strong and deep draft with the possible exception of OLB's. If we are going to bundle picks to move up, then this is the year to do it. Providing of course that the FO believes Mariota is the guy. I would move up for MM, especially if he gets past #2...

Yes.

People want to get all hyped up again and just pull the trigger at whatever cost for Mariota. It likely will cost us more than our first two picks.

This would be a killer and extremely devastating move to make and it not pan out (as it usually does with our first round Qb selections). One that could set the organization back even more. To me, there is more risk than reward in throwing the farm to acquire him.

Well, the reward is that we finally have a franchise QB that is very young and has a unique skill set.

So, I'm not willing to say that the risk is bigger than the reward.

That being said, I'd be more willing to wait to see if Mariota falls into a more advantageous spot instead of trading up to 2 to get him. Because I don't believe the Titans will take him, I know the Jags and Raiders won't, and I don't believe the Skins will either.

The Jets could go either way. If Mariota goes after the Jets, then I'd be willing to move up.

Johnny Manziel.

Young. Unique skill set.

And didn't show a damn thing at the NFL level *or really at the college level* of how to beat a defense from inside the pocket.

""We won't risk our future on a QB"
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That is a funny statement to me.

What future do you have without a quarterback?

Trying to look at this from the GM standpoint...

We have a brutal schedule and an owner that turns on his front office quickly. Would you put your dream job on McCown's shoulders? Manziel?

Mariota does not seem NFL ready. I don't see any QB option that helps us in 2015. The seat is only going to get hotter. If I was Farmer, I'd definitely want a ready-made excuse for 2015 (I'm grooming The MAN) and just as much, I'd want a QB that is ready to go in 2016.

I can definitely see us making a huge trade on draft day. For better or worse.

Exactly bonefish, and if you are the GM not likely a long one.

The better question is what future does any QB have with a Oline that can't pass protect, run/zone block schema or play well on the read option plays.

I'll say it again. It wouldn't bother me at all if we take two olinemen with our 1st two picks. Our Oline needs a couple more studs up front this year so we don't have to watch 3 QB's go down with injuries as usual.

Which two players would you replace? I am guessing Schwartz is one, who is the other?

We know rumors float around all the time ,especially around the Browns.
I would say they will come out and say there's no truth to these rumors.
I will also say, wait till draft night and see if anything happens.

The Browns know all they need to about MM..

the only plus of drafting Mariota is that we can dress up like Super Mario Bros on game day in a orange plumber outfit........I dont like the idea of him as a player, but I love me some Mario Bros outfits....

I disagree. Our OL is already a strength, you can't wait until you have the best OL in history before you can expect a QB to succeed. Brady has had OL get hurt, so has Manning and Brees and every other good QB.. and they have had to deal with weak links in their OL at times... they don't fall completely apart.

Our OL last year was good enough to make Brian Hoyer look really good.. we had ONE injury and needed him to actually make some plays to compensate for that and he couldn't do it.

If they take a risk and put a package together to move up and get a QB and he doesn't work out, there is a great chance that somebody(s) will be losing their job... if they draft good players but in a year or two we still don't have a QB, there is a great chance that somebody(s) will be losing their job...

They can pass on the QB this year, I'm good with that... but at some point in the next year or two, they are going to have to hitch their wagon to a QB.. if they think the right guy will be there next year, then trade 19 into next year to use to trade up, if necessary to get him..

I dont believe Winston nor Mariota are worth 2 first round picks. Talent wise Winston is, but the NFL rules on player misconduct, he is a suspension waiting to happen. I would pass on him due to that. Mariota, there are just two many ? on him and his style of play. Now, if Andrew Luck 2.0 was in the draft this year, then yes, I would give up the picks.

But I believe the smart thing to do is sit where we are at, let the board come to us. If nothing at 12 is there we want, we trade out for a pick next year, then see whats at 19.