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I was hoping there was a thread already on him...was looking to add this but then I thought the possibility is real. I know I am also late to the part as many here have been pimping the kid at 19. I'm starting to agree with them.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...8b-285dfe775b87The kicker for me was he is a son of a NFL Grunt...there is a little bit of that craziness and love of the game in the Grunts! This kid has that and also talent to boot!
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Son of an ex-NFL player, Kellen Winslow anyone?
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Would not pick him in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round, not even in this class. Pure blocking TE, totally overhyped.
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Obviously signing Housler lessens the need to take a TE high. Overall the TE class is thin so Williams is likely to be overdrafted as a result. I think he'll be a decent to good player as a pro. I just don't think he's a good value if taken in round 1. Mid to late round two seems more in line with his abilities. I do think there are a few other draftable TE that could be had in later rounds that match up with their draft grade better than Williams.
I like Walford, Koyack and Heuerman enough to forego Williams in round 1. I also think there are some UDFA types who have promise, Shaafat, O'Shaughnessy and Dan Light of Fordham to name a few.
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Not a great blocker but a willing blocker. good route runner, really squares his body to the ball proving a very large target. Excellent hands, not a big time threat after the catch but he doesnt go down easy. I think he is one of the top 10 players in this draft class. Remind me a great deal of Jason Witten for the Cowboys.
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Agreed.
He has amazingly soft hands and always catches the ball out in front of his body. The best hands catcher I have seen in college in a long time - including Wr's.
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Williams is a much better blocker than most think, you had to block in the Gophers Offense even the WR'S and TE'S had to be good blockers ...
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Son of an ex-NFL player, Kellen Winslow anyone? That's a dumb comment. What about Clay Matthews? I like Williams. I noticed him in the Big 10. He has very good hands and is willing to block. He is able to find the middle of the field crease in zone coverage. Pretty good size. I wouldn't mind him at some point. There was another poster pimping him on another thread.
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The only reason he mentioned that was that tab listed that as a reason to like him.
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Besides KWII was a tremendous talent and had a great work ethic and desire to be great. His problem had nothing to do with football, his problem was that he thought he could ride a motorcycle but couldn't and tore up his knee. If not for that, I have no doubt that he would have been a tremendous player., perhaps even a hall of famer.
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I read the entire thread, but does any college junkies and people whose been paying attention to draft standings at TE know where this kid is ranked to go and what round? The Browns have a little video of him on their site now. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...6a-9e19283cb01a
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While not a true test, I have been running the 'On the Clock' draft generator over and over, using different big boards and strategies. Maxx has been routinely going in the late 1st to early 2nd and is very rarely available at the Browns 2nd round pick. While the Browns could use a guy like Maxx, I think there are more acute needs to be addressed at that stage. If he's there at the 43rd pick, we could grab him. I would also be comfortable with a guy like Koyack or O'Leary in the 4-5th and grabbing an ILB or DE at 43.
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When I do the draft simulator, I make my third pick best TE available which is williams or Walford. If that fails I draft WR Funchess with plans to play him at receiver.
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I find it hard to believe that New Orleans doesn't take Maxx with the pick they got from Seattle if he is still available. I can easily see Denver taking him with their 1st round pick as well.
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While not a true test, I have been running the 'On the Clock' draft generator over and over, using different big boards and strategies. Maxx has been routinely going in the late 1st to early 2nd and is very rarely available at the Browns 2nd round pick. While the Browns could use a guy like Maxx, I think there are more acute needs to be addressed at that stage. If he's there at the 43rd pick, we could grab him. I would also be comfortable with a guy like Koyack or O'Leary in the 4-5th and grabbing an ILB or DE at 43. I've not studied TEs - or any position really at this point. However, my question is this: I think we have good-enough, #2 TEs in Barnidge and Dray...they are nowhere near old. Housler was brought in to be the "receiving" TE and he is young. So...If we can't draft a TE that is a likely/immediate upgrade to one of those 3, then why bother doing so "early"? As you stated, we can get a decent guy in Rd 4-5 who can join the mix. However, if they think the guy is a future Jason Witten, we should get that guy in here...even if at 19.
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Gave the link also in the initial post.
Clevesteve...I also emphasized the fact that his dad was a grunt. I don't know if you ever hung around OLmen just a different breed and mindset. Their entire contribution to the game is one of Discipline and Sacrifice. I know its a message board but sometimes the MESSAGE doesn't come through. Him growing up hanging with the OL in the Jacuzzi - just his attitude and frame of mind. As I stated he would exemplify playing as a Brown.
GuardDog...I think we have eliminated all need except for Franchise QB and FB. We all know we won't go FB till 4th round or later. QB unless its one of the big 2 we know that ain't happening. So now its all left to who will be the best impact and puzzle piece of our Team. Eliminating Need hasn't eliminated not one position in this draft.
We have 2 picks in the first. #12 Got to be the perfect choice and we should have several to pick from. 2nd pick in the First we got more wiggle room - if its a prospect that we know will not be there when we pick in the 2nd....who cares if he is slotted 27 and not 19...if that is somebody we WANT on our team. Go get him.
DJ...not 1st, 2nd or 3rd round? Come on dawg - I'll make you this guarantee out of 32 GM/HC/Scouts...not ONE of them agree with your evaluation. NOT ONE!
Just remember all its not what they did in college its how they are regarded to develop in the NFL. Kid has size, speed, hands, discipline, desire to become the best, He would have impact on the edge blocking very key in our running game and key in our Play action as he slips the block and hits the seam.
He is in my mind what the TE should be in this day and age. Solid all the way around can be a weapon and a positive in the red zone. Wonder what his measurables are...40, vert leap, height & weight?
Rarely btw is TE a need position in the draft. Just a matter of how much does he improve our Run Game and Pass Game...
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Kellen Winslow might be a punch line to some, but I loved the guy when he was here in Cleveland. Was he a bone head for crashing his motorcycle? Yes, absolutely. However, the guy WANTED to play here and he was a play maker with attitude and moxy. I was really disappointed when he got traded to Tampa Bay in 2008.
Anyway, back to Maxx Williams.
I don't dislike him, but I would rather select a pass rusher or offensive lineman at #19 as opposed to tightend. He doesn't really seem like a "can't miss" prospect and we might be able to get him in the 2nd round. I think a guy like Clive Warford (or Walford?) from Miami has more upside.
He does fill a need, so if we take him at #19 I'll root for the kid.
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Just some draft info:
The Green Bay Packers have the 30th pick in the first round of the 2015 NFL draft, which is now less than three weeks away.
While it appears the Packers will probably select a defensive player, at least based on need, don't be surprised if the Packers pick someone from the offensive side of the ball with that pick.
Why? It all depends on the draft board that Ted Thompson and the Packers have put together. It may be a case where their top-rated defensive players are already off the board.
Last year it worked out perfectly for the Packers. The top need for the team was at safety, and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix was the highest-rated player on their board when the Packers selected the former Alabama safety with the 21st pick of the draft.
But that may not be the case in the 2015 draft. That's why the Packers may select someone like tight end Maxx Williams of Minnesota if he is their highest-rated prospect on the board at the time.
Although Williams is coming into the NFL as a redshirt sophomore, his talent is obvious to anyone who has scouted him or seen him play.
In two years as a Gopher, Williams had 61 catches for 986 yards (16.2 average) and 13 touchdowns.
NFL Media analyst Bucky Brooks said this about Williams after his performance at the NFL Scouting Combine:
The numbers don't jump off the page when looking back at Williams' workout, but that won't stop scouts from buzzing about his prospects as a TE1 at the next level following a strong showing on Friday. Williams was the most natural pass catcher among the tight ends, exhibiting strong hands and impressive ball skills while snatching passes from every angle. Additionally, Williams looked like a refined route runner getting in and out of cuts, validating comparisons to Kyle Rudolph and Jason Witten as a potential playmaker at the next level. Although his athletic profile falls below blue-chip standards, the fact that he posted a solid 4.37 short-shuttle time suggests he can win consistently at the next level with quickness and burst.
Now the Packers don't have an obvious need at the tight end position, but Williams would provide the team with something that they currently don't have at the position.
That is, a tight end who can stretch defenses deep down the seam. With both Richard Rodgers and Andrew Quarless, the Packers have a couple of tight ends who are pretty effective in the short and medium range areas only.
The Packers also want to see their tight ends to block efficiently when asked. Both Rodgers and Quarless had issues with their blocking in 2014, although each player improved as the year wore on.
While blocking is not the biggest strength of Williams, he has shown an effort to become a better-than-average blocker.
I had the opportunity a couple of weeks ago to talk with NFL scout Chris Landry about Williams on 620 WDAE's Steve Dueming Show, and he gave me his take on the 6'4", 249-pound tight end.
"Maxx Williams is I think the best tight end in the draft in a year that doesn't have a lot of good tight ends," Landry said. "Very young. Very explosive. Very athletic. He's got a little bit of a Greg Olsen in him, who came out of Miami and who has been very underrated for Carolina.
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"Former Bucs personnel director Jerry Angelo and Bears general manager, still regrets letting him go, because he's been a really good player.
"I think he [Williams] is more of a top of the second round value for someone, but I think he's really good."
Now depending on how the draft board looks at the time of the 30th pick for the Packers, and if Williams is still available, the Packers know that the team with the next pick in the draft, the New Orleans Saints, would have a big need for a tight end as they recently traded Jimmy Graham to the Seattle Seahawks.
The Packers would have a number of options at that time.
One, they still might select a defensive player who has a higher rating on the board than Williams.
Two, they could select Williams if he is the top-rated player on their board.
Three, they could trade back a few spots to a team like Oakland in the second round (35th pick), who also have a need for a tight end. Plus there is the connection between Thompson and the general manager of the Raiders, Reggie McKenzie.
A trade like that would net the Packers an early second round pick, along with an early fourth-round pick.
Time will tell what will happen. One never knows with Thompson. Before the 2008 NFL draft, Thompson had never traded up. Since then, he has traded up five times.
Thompson's normal modus operandi is to trade back for more picks, which he has done many, many times.
But just when you think you have Thompson figured out, he doesn't make any trades, like he did in last year's draft.
Bottom line, expect the unexpected when it's time for the Packers to make their selection at pick No. 30.
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From the NFL Draft site & review
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Top Performer
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Top Performer
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Overview
Early entrant as redshirt sophomore. Comes from impressive, athletic bloodlines. His father, Brian, lettered for the Gophers (1986-88) and played for the New York Giants. His grandfather played quarterback at Notre Dame and was drafted by the Chicago Bears. His mother played volleyball at Minnesota from 1984-87. Named second-team All-American in 2014, All-Big Ten first team and was a Mackey Award finalist for nation's top tight end. Started in 10 games missing one with a calf injury. Set single-season school record for receiving yards and touchdowns for a tight end with 569 yards and eight touchdowns. In 2012, shared Outstanding Offensive Freshman of the Year honors with Donovahn Jones and was named Athlon's Freshman All-America third team and Academic All-Big Ten. Forced to redshirt in 2012 with a bruised sternum. Rated seventh-best player in Minnesota coming out of high school by Rivals and the 48th-ranked tight end according to Scout.
Analysis
Strengths Primarily used as move tight end. Straight-line wheels to beat linebackers and safeties. Accelerates to top speed quickly on crossers and speed outs. Speed to chew up cushion and open a throwing window over the top. Will threaten seam and dominated defenders on wheel routes. Red-zone winner. Can do damage after the catch and shows playmaking aptitude with tight end screens. Extends and goes all out for the catch. Got a foot inbounds on three circus catches. Eighty-two percent of his catches were for either a first down or touchdown. Not easily redirected out of release. Honest effort to stay engaged when base blocking.
Weaknesses Body is a little soft and could use additional weight work to handle NFL hits. Runs upright, rounded routes that lack salesmanship and shake. Leans into breaks, tipping his hand and bringing tighter coverage. Hip tightness stymies ability to sink and cut crisply. Needs to do better job over deep middle of using frame to shield throw from safeties. Won't generate push as an in-line blocker and has limited feel and instincts as a move blocker. Will need route work to create separation on the next level.
Draft Projection Round 2 or 3
Sources Tell Us "That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said (at the combine). They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout
NFL Comparison Jeremy Shockey
Bottom Line Pass-catching, move tight end with straight-line play speed and an ability to stretch defenses deep. Williams comes from NFL bloodlines and has the self confidence often found in a former player's son, but he needs to improve his route running in order to become a more complete receiving threat. Williams led all college tight ends with 9 explosive catches (25-plus yards) in 2014 and should be an early target for teams looking for pass-catching weapons. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/maxx-williams?id=2552468Hands are big. Good vertical leap...Quick, avg. long speed. Young so had an immature cockiness in interviews apparently. Could improve his route running like all rookies and could become a gym rat!
I still like his prospects, if he could be had at our 2nd round pick great but the odds are slim. Won't get past the Saints pick
None of the Mockers on NFL (Zierlien, Baldinger, Bucky Brooks or Charles Davis) have him going in the first round in their Mocks...maybe a shot in the 2nd round? Hard to believe that he would get past the Saints at 31.
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I'd hate to use a 1st on a Tight End. Like WR or RB, I'd rather use free agency or a trade to get TE. Julius, Clay, Cameron were all there this year. I'd only draft for value at TE.
Seattle got Jimmy Graham for #31 (also traded Unger and got a 4th). If I were to give up a 1st for TE, I'd rather do it their way.
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If he does somehow get by NO.
ATL picks right before us in the 2nd round.
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I wouldn't mind moving up to the Packers slot at 30 
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I was hoping there was a thread already on him...was looking to add this but then I thought the possibility is real. I know I am also late to the part as many here have been pimping the kid at 19. I'm starting to agree with them.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...8b-285dfe775b87The kicker for me was he is a son of a NFL Grunt...there is a little bit of that craziness and love of the game in the Grunts! This kid has that and also talent to boot!
jmho - I think he would define - Play like a Brown. After i saw him him play last year i am sold on him. First round? Dont know, but we do have 2 picks. If we can't get the WR want, maybe; take a late round WR and take him. I dont think he'll make it to the 2nd past the Saints as somebody else said.
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I wouldn't mind moving up to the Packers slot at 30 If there's nothing they like at 19, I'd trade back, pick up an extra 3rd, and grab him right before teams like Denver and NO come up..
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Thank you I totally forgot about that option of trading back. Probably the best move. If he is our Target.
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I wouldn't mind moving up to the Packers slot at 30 If there's nothing they like at 19, I'd trade back, pick up an extra 3rd, and grab him right before teams like Denver and NO come up.. Moving from #19 all the way back to #30 would require more than just a 3rd round pick from the Packers. We could probably get a 2nd & 4th rounder for that kind of move. With that said, I don't want to reach at either of our picks. Trading back for more picks would be a good thing if nobody we like is available. Farmer did pretty well last year, and I would love to give him more ammo, especially if it's an extra 2nd & 4th round draft pick. There could be some quality left on the board at a spot like #30. Arik Armstead DE/Oregon, T.J. Clemmings OT/Pittsburgh, Jaelen Strong WR/Arizona State, Maxx Williams TE/Minnesota. (he may still be there at #30, who knows?)
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I'd hate to use a 1st on a Tight End. Especially in this draft, nobody worth it. A really good, sure handed, TE that can stretch the field and is at least a willing blocker, I'd use a first on that guy... but not this year.
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I must agree with you. I don't see him as an "elite TE" type. I believe his draft status is being bolstered due to an overall lack of superior talent at the TE position in this draft.
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Moving from #19 all the way back to #30 would require more than just a 3rd round pick from the Packers. packer #30 was me talking about moving up from our 2nd round.
Trading back from 19 could be anywhere no necessarily 30.
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j/c:
Wait.......Jimmy Graham for the 31st pick in the draft and we are considering paying a higher price for Williams?
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Not exactly, Jimmy Graham plus a 4th round pick were traded for All-Pro center Max Unger and a 1st round pick.
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Graham has also already gotten a huge contract. That brings down his value a little.
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Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks steve and cfrs.
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j/c This article I confess does support my subjective evaluation of Williams as well as my evaluation of Walford. That aside, consider it for what it's worth.
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Obviously signing Housler lessens the need to take a TE high. Overall the TE class is thin so Williams is likely to be overdrafted as a result. I think he'll be a decent to good player as a pro. I just don't think he's a good value if taken in round 1. Mid to late round two seems more in line with his abilities. I do think there are a few other draftable TE that could be had in later rounds that match up with their draft grade better than Williams.
I like Walford, Koyack and Heuerman enough to forego Williams in round 1. I also think there are some UDFA types who have promise, Shaafat, O'Shaughnessy and Dan Light of Fordham to name a few. On this we agree 100%.....very similar prospects in the middle rounds like Walford and Heuerman. I'll be upset if we spend a high pick on Williams.
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Not saying it's right or wrong but most organizations with a young QB try to get a good/great TE as a "safety valve" per say. If it's Manziel or Mariota at some point this season we'll have a rookie or 2nd year QB starting so I wouldn't be upset if they selected Williams to have that check down option. The thing that is intriguing about Williams is that he's only 20 years old so how good can he be in 2-3 years and beyond.
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Legend
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Legend
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If only we had a guy like that on our team (that we could have easily kept with the transition tag). . .
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Practice Squad
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Practice Squad
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LOL, true... 
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