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I got a notification from Bleacher Report not 10 minutes ago on my phone (sorry no link) stating that many sources close to the situation believe that Phillip Rivers could be obtained for two 1st-round draft picks.

Which leads to the question.

Is he worth that? And would Cleveland have a chance at him?

To me, I trade #12 and #19 in a heart beat and don't think twice about the move.

If he could be obtained for ONLY our 1st-round picks that will still leave us with 8-picks to address some of our needs.

I think a guy like Rivers instantly makes us a team that can contend for the playoffs in 2015, and possibly a championship by 2017 if we continue to build the right way.

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I think Rivers is trying to force his way to Tennessee.

If he was available to us, I would definitely trade both of our first round picks for him.

If we were going to trade 1 1st for Bradford..

Trading 2 for Rivers is easy..

Are you only getting tops, maybe 3-4 out of him? Sure..

But it'd be a great 3-4.. And is still more than we usually get from 1st rounders.

We win the North easily this year with Rivers.

We would still have to be sure of re-signing Rivers after the trade. That could be a big stumbling block.

You're most likely not going to make that trade without that in place.

At this stage of his career no thanks. I say use the draft to strengthen our defense as much as possible. Having a defense that can keep you in any game. Is a huge plus. Then we go get our franchise qb if he is not already on our roster.

Oh right, I forgot how easy it was to go get one..

yeah, weve had several the last few years

Although I don't view Rivers as "elite", I do view him as a day-one upgrade to our entire offensive unit. A veteran like that with his experience and I think he has got plenty left in the tank for three plus years.

I'd have zero qualms sending the first two to acquire him, if we can make sure to get an extension ordeal worked out and then I'd be extremely happy there. Throw JF and the our #19 for Bradford, who IMO is going to retire after he is given the call and tears up that ACL for the third and final time, then yes... two for Rivers is IMO, high but reasonable. Better than trading two first for an unknown QB like Mariota who has experience in a one-read style offense.

If the possibility is there, we had best be pursuing it at the very least!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because Rivers is a great NFL QB. You can win THIS YEAR with him..

Who knows about the other two.

Throw in the presence he offers to a developing QB and the pressure it would take off the need to find a franchise QB NOW.

Yes I didn't even mention that, but that alone is worth it's weight in gold... solid point bro!

yea. he could do wonders for?????? shaw????

I wouldn't trade both first round picks.. maybe a 1st and a fourth.. but not both firsts. Rivers is 33 years old with his best years behind him, but he could turn the Browns into a winner and give us time to prepare for our next starting QB. I would love to see Rivers in Cleveland, backed up by McCown and Shaw..

Factoring the draft is two weeks out, a move like that could heavily effect what we do in the second to fifth rounds. You'd think we'd obviously axe Thad Lewis and Shaw likely as' well, we'd have McCown, JF and Rivers. Grayson, Petty and <insert_name_here> become even more so a good looking project QB.


Or they scour the wavier wire or whatever. Next years draft. There are a ton of options, options that are possibly not on this team that could be here, and benefit. Your post seems pointless.

JMO

Petty??? Hundley??? Mannion??? Cook??? Prescott??? Jones??? Hackenberg??? ...???

This comes up every year with Rivers. I don't think they trade unless they have a groomed QB or the trade involves a QB.

I would trade 2 first rounders for him: Gilbert and Johnny Football.

So what QB would SD take with those picks to replace him?

rivers is not an option, as the Browns have no QB to use a part of the deal.

The thought is that the Chargers would then trade their pick and our two picks for Mariota.

The real rumor is the Chargers offering Rivers and pick(s) to the Titans for the #2 pick.

Here is a good article on the Rivers situation.

Now what you go and do that for, inject reality into a perfectly good fantasy.

you think farmer will waste more draft picks on a qb after what we give up for rivers? he already talked up shaw.

He's I think 33 or 34, I'm not sure I'd want to give up 2 first rounders for a guy that will only be around a few years (unless we get lucky) and will be asking for $15-20m a year.

I'd give up #12 and Johnny, or maybe #12 and #19 for Rivers and #48, but I don't think I'd want to give up both first rounders for just Rivers.

Interesting question though.

Manziel is worth next to nothing. Some would even say he has negative value.

i think he is toxic. between him and farmer cost us at least 5 games last year. jmo.

Who said whoever QB has to come from this year's draft? Who says it even needs to come from the draft period? There are a ton of ways, outside the draft, to acquire a project QB.

yea and that is shaw who farmer already talked up.

I'm not sure where to look, but isn't Rivers in the last year of his contract?



I think I'd give up our firsts for him, but not without a long term deal in place first if indeed this is the last year on his contract.

I like the idea of Rivers playing for us, but for two 1st rd picks?! Sorry that makes zero sense to me. If Rivers was in his mid 20's maybe, but he's not. I'd rather get a run stuffer and a real threat at WR.

I agree Mac.

I am not all that interested in a QB on the back side of his career who is a little short of Peyton Manning status.


I agree with Slick. Hold the picks, build the team, and see what happens. Maybe McCown becomes our DeBurg(sp)....or maybe Johnny bears fruit.

This.

Most recent internet rumors have a SD/Tennessee trade with Mariota going to SD.

Now that makes some sense.

of course Mariota would go to San Diego .. In a trade, San Diego would have Tennessee's second pick in the draft.. so they would get either Mariota or Winston to replace Rivers. That is what the trade is all about... Trading Rivers to get Mariota/Winston. The Browns do not have anything to offer the Chargers for Rivers, just as they did not have anything to offer St. Louis for Bradford because Manziel blew all his potential value in his 6 quarters of playing time last year... not even 2 first round picks would give the Chargers what they need... unless Mariota falls in the draft.... but if he did fall all the way to 12... would anyone here then trade pick 12 ( Mariota ) for Rivers ?

j/c:

This is a move I could get behind. I remember a few years ago when it was said that Rivers might become available, a larger percentage of the old Browns board said they would rather roll w/Weeden.

Rivers is an elite qb and like tab said, he is a good leader and the OL would love him. He has hardly missed any games. He is strong and durable. He has quite a few good years left.

The problem is that we probably have no shot at him. It would be the Titans. If this trade is made, I think SD would be making a major mistake.

If he gets passed the Jets (unlikely) and we can move 12 up without spending an addition first.. I'd consider trading up to get Mariota.. And then move him to SD for Rivers..

If he's there at six there is no way the jets pass on him....

I'm a bit torn... Rivers is as very good qb...don't know if he can take us to a Super Bowl but he would make us a playoff contender.... But I don't think he'd sign an extension here...

For two first round picks? No way. First round picks are actually really valuable, despite how remarkably bad the Browns have been in using them (you hope they can do better in this draft-- otherwise why is the G.M. still here?)

He is 33. This will be his age 34 season. Some QBs have played very well into their late 30s but many others drop off sooner. Him agreeing to come here would likely be contingent on him signing a massive extension. That would be fine in free agency-- not so much when you have to give up two firsts to do so.