Quote: I'm all for Quinn keeping the bench warm while he watches and learns. Not sure exactly WHAT he'll learn while he's sitting there though. I think along the same lines as Elway did when he played as a rookie.. he said he learn't and experienced more in that year than 3 years of "studying" from the bench would have done him. What are we protecting him from..A bad line ?..getting beat to death and gunshy ? You think if Frye takes 5 sacks a game early that the line will get fixed well enough to put Quinn in later ? Are we afraid of interceptions ? Nothing will stop those BUT experience in live action, they will come and he will will learn from them but NOT from the bench. I'm in no hurry to watch another rookie QB make mistakes but lets face it.. we only won 4 games last year ! Quinn IS as ready as it gets coming out of college. Get on with it.
BEREA Rookie minicamp answered certain questions about Sacred Heart defensive back Jon Corto, Minnesota-Mankato wideout Tyrell Smith and Rice punter Jared Scruggs.
But some bigger fish got fried Saturday, too, in terms of some information coming out of weekend practices.
First, quarterback Brady Quinn did not take his second step to the Hall of Fame on his second day in a No. 10 Cleveland uniform.
One of the first few passes Quinn threw sailed crooked and way too long over the middle.
Over the course of an hour, Quinn threw plenty of pretty spirals, but was choppy overall in team drills featuring zero receivers likely to make the 53-man roster.
Starting the Sept. 9 season opener against Pittsburgh isn't the last thing on Quinn's mind, but close.
"I'm worried right now about getting down the terminology and the playbook,'' Quinn said after practice. "Look too far ahead, and you'll slip up.''
Practice included 32 players invited on a tryout basis.
Little experience
The only receiver with NFL experience was Kendrick Mosley.
"It didn't take (Quinn) too long to figure that out,'' Head Coach Romeo Crennel said. "You can see most of the balls were going to No. 18 (Mosley) today.''
Crennel said Quinn "wasn't as good'' as he had been in Friday's practice, partly because "we added more stuff.''
Quinn will get a short break before taking part in what amounts to spring practice.
"I'll be there for everything,'' he said.
After another break in the summer, he won't be allowed into training camp until he signs a contract. Negotiations promise to be a bear, since he's a No. 22 overall pick whose agent, Tom Condon, will argue most NFL draft boards ranked him higher.
Trying to be a sponge
As for his approach to working with QBs coach Rip Scherer and Offensive Coordinator Rob Chudzinski, Quinn said, "I'm trying to be a sponge ... absorb everything and spit it back out on the field.''
Quinn seems the type whose blood pressure will rise if contract talks drag him into a holdout.
"We were only out on the field for an hour,'' he said after Saturday morning's practice. "You kind of wish you had more time on the field and less time in the classroom.''
Meanwhile, tryout players such as Kent State wideout Najeh Pruden and Pikeville nose tackle Elbert Shumake were hoping hard not to be expelled.
WHO'S FIRST?
Head Coach Romeo Crennel suggested Quinn must look better than Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson to start the opener.
The Browns face all three division rivals within their first four games.
"If it's equal,'' Crennel said, "then you may take the guy who has more experience, the guy who has seen the opponent before, and kind of knows what to expect.''
Crennel reserved judgment on first-round pick Joe Thomas, since linemen didn't do any hitting.
WRIGHT ON
Second-round pick Eric Wright looks as if he will make a strong push for a starting cornerback job.
Wright easily shadowed the young wideouts he covered Friday and Saturday, with a smooth style that almost makes it look like he's not trying.
"You've gotta play under control,'' Wright said after practice. "I use my speed as much as I can without exerting a lot of energy. I've worked on it a long time. I've sort of mastered it.''
Crennel after watching two days of Wright:
"He looks very athletic. He has nice, smooth feet, does a good job of jamming receivers, and he does have the confidence. He looked pretty decent."
EXTRA POINTS
- Crennel said center LeCharles Bentley is still weighing separate medical opinions about whether he needs to follow-up a new knee surgery. Bentley is a longshot to play for a second straight season even if he opts not to have surgery. Another surgery would knock him out for '07, period.
- Tight end Kellen Winslow is on course to suit up in training camp, following offseason knee surgery, Crennel said. "He comes by about every day,'' Crennel said. "He's rehabbing and making progress.''
- Ryan Tucker, who turns 32 next month, is on course to regain his starting right tackle job after battling psychological issues in 2006. "I am optimistic,'' Crennel said. "The pressure of the season and playing impacts everybody. If he handles that, I think we'll be OK.''
- Former GlenOak standout Joey Card held his own at free safety through two days of practice. Card made a diving breakup of a Brady Quinn pass Saturday. He is in minicamp on a tryout basis and has one more day to make an impression that would get him invited to spring practice.
I wish u could find the lowlight reel also Daman ... as it shows just how GOOD HE TRUELY IS ... they show a dozen or so plays from this years Michigan game ... 9 of him getting sacked and the very first play is an int. when he throws a perfect pass that goes off his TE's hands and turns into a TD ... the 2nd int. he gets hits as hes throwing it ... it actually shows only 2 or 3 bad passes ... thats not bad considering they went through 2 years of lowlights to get them ...
Toad .. u will be THRILLED to be PROVEN WRONG ... i watched every game the kid played for 4 years .. and i have no clue how anyone can say he has accuracy problems .. hes a VERY VERY ACCURATE PASSER .. its actually one of his STRENGTHS ... the main 2 things i want in a QB are BRAINS AND ACCURACY ... so if BQ wasnt' EXTREMELY ACCURACTE no way would i pimp him and would think this was a HORRIBLE TRADE ...
all i can think is that these guys are way overanalyzed as the draft has grown to epic proportions and u have a bunch of IDIOTS for the most part dissecting these kids .... my guess is that if paytom came out now they'd destroy him over his lack of arm strength and inability to win a big game ....
i told u back in january I have no clue how anyone can even question his accuracy much less make it a negative .... but thats OK .. as usual the proof will be in the pudding ... and at the end of the day .. you'll be thrilled ... if u don't believe me ... u think wies would LIE to one of his best friends??? say what u want about coach speak (even though it dont pertain to Wies at all .. and if u knew him and watched him on a dalily basis u would know that .. u just lump him in with everyone else cause your uninformed) ... but theres not a shot in hell he'd LIE TO RAC ... now is there ...
Rookie minicamp answered certain questions about Sacred Heart defensive back Jon Corto, Minnesota-Mankato wideout Tyrell Smith and Rice punter Jared Scruggs. .................................................................................................................
Quote: I wish u could find the lowlight reel also Daman ... as it shows just how GOOD HE TRUELY IS ... they show a dozen or so plays from this years Michigan game ... 9 of him getting sacked and the very first play is an int. when he throws a perfect pass that goes off his TE's hands and turns into a TD ... the 2nd int. he gets hits as hes throwing it ... it actually shows only 2 or 3 bad passes ... thats not bad considering they went through 2 years of lowlights to get them ...
Toad .. u will be THRILLED to be PROVEN WRONG ... i watched every game the kid played for 4 years .. and i have no clue how anyone can say he has accuracy problems .. hes a VERY VERY ACCURATE PASSER .. its actually one of his STRENGTHS ... the main 2 things i want in a QB are BRAINS AND ACCURACY ... so if BQ wasnt' EXTREMELY ACCURACTE no way would i pimp him and would think this was a HORRIBLE TRADE ...
all i can think is that these guys are way overanalyzed as the draft has grown to epic proportions and u have a bunch of IDIOTS for the most part dissecting these kids .... my guess is that if paytom came out now they'd destroy him over his lack of arm strength and inability to win a big game ....
i told u back in january I have no clue how anyone can even question his accuracy much less make it a negative .... but thats OK .. as usual the proof will be in the pudding ... and at the end of the day .. you'll be thrilled ... if u don't believe me ... u think wies would LIE to one of his best friends??? say what u want about coach speak (even though it dont pertain to Wies at all .. and if u knew him and watched him on a dalily basis u would know that .. u just lump him in with everyone else cause your uninformed) ... but theres not a shot in hell he'd LIE TO RAC ... now is there ...
Exactly. That's also why I feel he'll start week one.
Weis has gone on record saying he's ready week one more than any other prospect. Think Romeo doesn't listen to his friend? You KNOW he does. And after every preseason game that Quinn doesn't start, Weis will be on the phone saying "I don't know how you can't start this kid."
Quote: Rookie minicamp answered certain questions about Sacred Heart defensive back Jon Corto, Minnesota-Mankato wideout Tyrell Smith and Rice punter Jared Scruggs. .................................................................................................................
And what was answered ????????
"But some bigger fish got fried Saturday, too, in terms of some information coming out of weekend practices".
Meaning....those guys are cooked.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
why should he ring a bell??? there is NO COMPARISION in the two ... NONE .. there situations are NIGHT AND DAY ... just a quick summary ...
1. he had a MUCH BETTER OL ... that the majority of them had played together for 3 or 4 years ..
2. he had a VETERAN O around him that was ALOT BETTER than our players are now ... we have no one near as good or EXPERIENCED as the Bus or Hines Ward ...
3. he was pretty much the only new player on O ... we have a new LT, LG, RG possibly RT and a new RB ...
4. the rest of the O in Pitt was playing in the same O with the same coaches as the year before .. we have an almost entire new O staff and an entire new O ...
5. he had one of the best D's and ST's in football and was asked pretty much just to babysit ...
look ... i think BQ has a LEGITE chance to start day 1 ... and if hes ready its the right thing to do .. the reasons for this will come in a thread i'm going to do about BQ when i get a chance .. but comparing him to other QB's who either sat or started on day 1 is a JOKE .. every situation is different .. and believe me I'm a guy thats like to see them sit ... but theres REASONS for that and i will explain why if he does start on day 1 its not going to be as HORRIBLE as most make it out to be ..
but please ... dont' say he should start cause some other guy in a TOTTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION DID IT ..
After another break in the summer, he won't be allowed into training camp until he signs a contract. Negotiations promise to be a bear, since he's a No. 22 overall pick whose agent, Tom Condon, will argue most NFL draft boards ranked him higher.
Hopefully the negotiations with Quinn work out better, then when the Browns had to deal with Condon over Couchs and Verbas contract. I never liked Condon.
why should he ring a bell??? there is NO COMPARISION in the two ... NONE .. there situations are NIGHT AND DAY ... just a quick summary ...
1. he had a MUCH BETTER OL ... that the majority of them had played together for 3 or 4 years ..
2. he had a VETERAN O around him that was ALOT BETTER than our players are now ... we have no one near as good or EXPERIENCED as the Bus or Hines Ward ...
3. he was pretty much the only new player on O ... we have a new LT, LG, RG possibly RT and a new RB ...
4. the rest of the O in Pitt was playing in the same O with the same coaches as the year before .. we have an almost entire new O staff and an entire new O ...
5. he had one of the best D's and ST's in football and was asked pretty much just to babysit ...
look ... i think BQ has a LEGITE chance to start day 1 ... and if hes ready its the right thing to do .. the reasons for this will come in a thread i'm going to do about BQ when i get a chance .. but comparing him to other QB's who either sat or started on day 1 is a JOKE .. every situation is different .. and believe me I'm a guy thats like to see them sit ... but theres REASONS for that and i will explain why if he does start on day 1 its not going to be as HORRIBLE as most make it out to be ..
but please ... dont' say he should start cause some other guy in a TOTTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION DID IT ..
Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing him to Ben and Ben's situation. Nor do I expect him to play as well as Ben did for the reasons you stated.
I was just mentioning a recent player when someone said "I can't remember a QB being effective as a rookie." When the Steelers offense CLEARLY was more efficient with Ben in the game. Comparing Maddox's play to Ben's, it wasn't even close.
I do think Quinn comes into one of the better situations a rookie could come into though. I almost feel sorry for Russell given the CRAP he has to work with in Oakland. There's a legitimate chance to bring a rookie QB along the right way, even starting week one.
That being said, I don't expect miracles immediately, that would be crazy talk.
Quote: Exactly. That's also why I feel he'll start week one.
*L* .. i didnt say that ... that palyed a part in why we drafted him .. no clue how big or small a part .. but i'm sure it played a part ... now Wies is done .. RAC will decide from here on out with input from chud and Sherer ...
Quote: Weis has gone on record saying he's ready week one more than any other prospect. Think Romeo doesn't listen to his friend?
not in this case he wont ..... RAC will do what he feels is best ... PERIOD ..
Quote: And after every preseason game that Quinn doesn't start, Weis will be on the phone saying "I don't know how you can't start this kid."
*L* .. no he wont' bro .. Weis wont call and say wtf are u doing with BQ ... not his place anymore and he knows .. now RAC may call him and solicit advice such as ....
how will he react if i do this .... or how whould i handle this situation .. anotherwords he will rely on Weis to help him with BQ's head ... as Charlie knows how BQ will react to things ... and then again he may not ..
but Charlies UNSOLICITED advice/opinions are a thing of the past ... BQ is now RAC's golden boy and Charlie will do the RIGHT THING and stay out of it ..
Quote: I liked the blurb on Wright. It's a good thing he covered rookie camp cattle with ease.
It'd be a bad thing if he couldn't easily handle tryout players. We'll see how he does in June and at training camp.
I think you can get a good read here. Wright has to cover the receivers no matter if they run the wrong route or not. I doubt these guys run 5.2 forties....speed is probably what got them invited.
If he can cover now, he can cover in Sept.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
thanks for digging up the video though ... when someone worth debating with puts it up I'll discuss it with them .. as just the time it took to type this out is WAY TO MUCH TIME spent replying to U .. as U are a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME ...
Quote: I liked the blurb on Wright. It's a good thing he covered rookie camp cattle with ease.
It'd be a bad thing if he couldn't easily handle tryout players. We'll see how he does in June and at training camp.
I think you can get a good read here. Wright has to cover the receivers no matter if they run the wrong route or not. I doubt these guys run 5.2 forties....speed is probably what got them invited.
If he can cover now, he can cover in Sept.
I hope you're right. I just know that veterans have tricks up their sleeves while rookies are lost.
The Wright/Braylon matchup in training camp should be VERY interesting. Ditto with Thomas vs. Wimbley. Talk about baptism by fire.
Quote: thats not bad considering they went through 2 years of lowlights to get them ...
So are you saying Quinn only had one bad Game in his career?
All these plays are from the exact same game. Someone didn't go through all his games to find bad plays. They took them straight out of 1 game.
Brady Quinn is like Dirk Nowitzki, he comes up small in big games
This past year 50% vs Michigan 48% vs USC 42% vs LSU
Mensa, this video is ridiculous.
On the first interception, his WR doesn't catch the ball that's RIGHT IIN HIS HANDS.
On the second interception, Quinn's hit as he throws. Of course it's going to be a wobbly pass.
On the third one, his team is down by 19 POINTS! He's trying to make something happen, and the CB makes a hell of a play intercepting the pass.
My opinion of Quinn is beginning to change some. It's probably due (at least in part) to homerism, but if it's plays like the ones in this clip that give Quinn the "Can't win a big game" moniker, then I don't think those people know a lot about football. It's a team effort, and those weren't really Quinn's fault.
Quote: It's probably due (at least in part) to homerism,
sure it is ... thats natural .. but this time its also FACT BASED and TRUE ...
Quote: but if it's plays like the ones in this clip that give Quinn the "Can't win a big game" moniker, then I don't think those people know a lot about football.
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER ...
dude .. inthe USC and LSU games this year ND's WR's dropped about 15 balls and all at KEY POINTS IN THE GAME .. it was SAD ....
then add to that the least amount of points we gave up was in the low 40's in all those games "BQ lost" ..
people are VERY UNINFORMED when it comes to BQ and why ND lost big games .. he was not even CLOSE TO THE REASON WHY ... that dont make them ignorant .. it just leads them to bad conclusions based on not enough information .. well for the most part .. then theres just jackasses that have agendas and will rip BQ when he leads us to a SB victory and say Frye would have had 2 by now .. *LOL* ..
The biggest problem Quinn had in college was his D.
100% incorrect. ND"s D had nothing to do with Quinn completing 50%, 48% and 42% of his passes in Big Games.
Tom Brady showed up in Big Games in college Peyton Manning showed up in Big Games in college Brady Quinn pulled a Dirk NoWINski in Big Games in college
Senior Years in college Tom Brady - showed up in 3 out of the 4 Big Games 73.9% vs (10-3) Alabama 73.2% vs (10-2) Michigan State 63.0% vs (10-2) Wisconsin 47.2% vs (10-3) Penn State
Peyton Manning - showed up in all 5 Big Games 77.5% vs (10-2) Georgia 67.7% vs (13-0) Nebraska 58.1% vs (10-3) Auburn 57.1% vs (10-2) UCLA 56.9% vs (10-2) Florida
Brady Quinn - showed up in zero of the Big Games 50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan 48.9% vs (11-2) USC 42.9% vs (11-2) LSU
Brady Quinn has gone Dirk in Big Games, I highly doubt that's going to change in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
He only played in three big games in college? I'm not sold on him being a franchise QB but I think you are not being completely honest with your debate. We should be looking at his total body of work, looking for improvement over the years and maybe why he had poor numbers in certain games.
Many people blame some of Frye's woes on his recievers ( and rightly so) and those of us that believe that have to give Quinn the same treatment.
I think posting the video of Quinn's bad games was a mistake since it puts the focus on one bad game. When the focus is on one game a lot of it can be explained away. 3 ints with 2 not being his fault actually helps Diam's arguement, especially since he only threw something like 15 picks ( I'm going off of what I read, not actual facts).
I also noticed he did get the ball away within 3 seconds in most of the highlights in the Quinn is so great video. I also noticed in a lot of those highlights he is getting harrassed, even by crappy competition.
I don't see much use in arguing it anymore either. I am not happy as of now how the draft went but with that such a minority opinion you don't get any real debate. Most repies are " you don't have a point" or " the experts all said it was a great draft" like we give a crap what they say when they are negative.
Quinn is now a Brown, and will be our starting QB. If he falters a lot of the Quinn fans will forget they ever supported him. Some will blame him for everything that goes wrong even though it won't be true. Others will defend him to the death.
Romeo's in a no win situation. he cannot afford to sit Quinn and when he has those growing pains people are going to be screaming for Frye. Unless or D line has a drastic improvement over last year, and somebody not named Wimbley is able to get consistant pressure on opposing QBs we won't be winning many more games.
The biggest problem Quinn had in college was his D.
100% incorrect. ND"s D had nothing to do with Quinn completing 50%, 48% and 42% of his passes in Big Games.
Tom Brady showed up in Big Games in college Peyton Manning showed up in Big Games in college Brady Quinn pulled a Dirk NoWINski in Big Games in college
Senior Years in college Tom Brady - showed up in 3 out of the 4 Big Games 73.9% vs (10-3) Alabama 73.2% vs (10-2) Michigan State 63.0% vs (10-2) Wisconsin 47.2% vs (10-3) Penn State
Peyton Manning - showed up in all 5 Big Games 77.5% vs (10-2) Georgia 67.7% vs (13-0) Nebraska 58.1% vs (10-3) Auburn 57.1% vs (10-2) UCLA 56.9% vs (10-2) Florida
Brady Quinn - showed up in zero of the Big Games 50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan 48.9% vs (11-2) USC 42.9% vs (11-2) LSU
Brady Quinn has gone Dirk in Big Games, I highly doubt that's going to change in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
And who was Brady Quinn's supporting cast???? Rhema McKnight and Darius Walker? 2 players left undrafted this year. Quit trying to bring one man down for a problem that exists because of an untalented group. Quinn didnt have the success he should have had in college because he wasn't given the talent to help him. He can't make the receiver's catch his passes and make his defense stop the opponents from walking down the field.
It's gonna be funny when Quinn starts turning this team around and you jump on the wagon saying how you knew us getting back to #22 was the right choice all along.
Look at how well Troy Smith did in Columbus. Put Quinn in an OSU uniform this year and give him Ginn, Gonzo, Pitt, Wells, Robo, and that defense and OSU would have still gone to the championship and maybe even had a better chance to win it. I hope Troy does well in the league (not against us), but he did well in college because of his supporting cast and his attitude. Brady had all the intangibles and the attitude. He may not have the best resume, but he'll change that in the NFL.
Quote: Toad .. u will be THRILLED to be PROVEN WRONG ... i watched every game the kid played for 4 years .. and i have no clue how anyone can say he has accuracy problems .. hes a VERY VERY ACCURATE PASSER .. its actually one of his STRENGTHS ... the main 2 things i want in a QB are BRAINS AND ACCURACY ... so if BQ wasnt' EXTREMELY ACCURACTE no way would i pimp him and would think this was a HORRIBLE TRADE ...
all i can think is that these guys are way overanalyzed as the draft has grown to epic proportions and u have a bunch of IDIOTS for the most part dissecting these kids .... my guess is that if paytom came out now they'd destroy him over his lack of arm strength and inability to win a big game ....
i told u back in january I have no clue how anyone can even question his accuracy much less make it a negative .... but thats OK .. as usual the proof will be in the pudding ... and at the end of the day .. you'll be thrilled ... if u don't believe me ...
Knowing each other like we do, I know I don't have to emphasize that my skepticism isn't the same as hating on Quinn
Long before any of the draft-talk started hitting the wires I'd seen Quinn play in probably 5 or 6 games over the past two seasons. I don't really count his previous starts as he wasn't the same player then as he is today. He's also a 1st round pick because his upside suggests he's not the same player now that he will be in a few years. The one issue I've seemed to notice was that he had a tendancy to lose his strike zone on longer throws. That's my ONLY criticism/concern of Quinn. I see a confident kid who has the mental makeup to be a starter. I don't see the same thing in Frye, though that could simply be a case of lack of media attention to make an accurate evaluation. I don't discount anything he did when he "lost big games" because most of those losses came against teams that clearly outmanned the Irish. I think that's a crap way to evaluate a QB. I also think that his mobility is going to be underrated, much the way Frye's was.
Accuracy is my only concern. That's the concern that dropped him to where he was drafted. I do look forward to being shown the light
And of course I'd again say that I fully agree with the gamble. Much like forcing Frye into the lineup early so that we could find out sooner rather than later if he's the guy or not, drafting Quinn a year early gives us a new starting QB NEXT year if Frye doesn't develop (thanks Prpl ). We've accelerated the changeover one full year by sacrificing a 2nd round pick, and that's a trade I'd make every single time.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
I have to admit,...the Benny Hill music made that a pretty funny clip.That had to be put together by a true Quinn hater,....although a lame attempt to criticize Quinn, it did make me laugh.
Man,..I'm trying to learn as much as I can about Quinn now that he's our guy,this video doesn't make me think any less of him. The interception he threw throwing left across his body while running to the right was (while being an ill-advised pass) didn't look to bad. It could have verily easily been a tremendous play if not int.
Quote: I'm all for Quinn keeping the bench warm while he watches and learns. Not sure exactly WHAT he'll learn while he's sitting there though. I think along the same lines as Elway did when he played as a rookie.. he said he learn't and experienced more in that year than 3 years of "studying" from the bench would have done him. What are we protecting him from..A bad line ?..getting beat to death and gunshy ? You think if Frye takes 5 sacks a game early that the line will get fixed well enough to put Quinn in later ? Are we afraid of interceptions ? Nothing will stop those BUT experience in live action, they will come and he will will learn from them but NOT from the bench. I'm in no hurry to watch another rookie QB make mistakes but lets face it.. we only won 4 games last year ! Quinn IS as ready as it gets coming out of college. Get on with it.
Ben Roethlisberger ring a bell?
Yes, Ben Roethlisberger who threw probably only 20 times a game with a great rushing attack and a ridiculous defense.
He also wasn't penciled in as the starter when the season began.
I still think we need to sit Quinn for a little...If Charlie starts looking like INTommy, then we'll put Quinn in.
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What's scary in that video is that Brady Quinn's hands are so small he can't even hold on to the football and lets it flop out on a pump fake. He's going to have a much harder time holding on to a slicker NFL ball.
Quote: The one issue I've seemed to notice was that he had a tendancy to lose his strike zone on longer throws.
no clue how u came to that conclusion .. and i think i would remember ... whenever he made a bad pass i would scream at him ... i'm a double edged sword in alot of ways ... *L* ..
you'll be happy ... trust me on this one ...
oh and when u question his accuracy ..... please define it .. cause the dolts take what u say as gospel and now they think BQ is innacurrate all over the field ....
oh and .... no way did that have anything to do with his fall to #22 ... hel we would have taken him at 12 if we could ahve found someone to dance with ... fact is only 2 teams with QB needs passed on him after we did .. and one of them took a QB in rnd 2 last year and think they have their answer ...
u can make stuff up with others .. but dont try it with me ... his imagined lack of accuracy on the long ball had nuttin to do with our luck ..
Quote: What's scary in that video is that Brady Quinn's hands are so small he can't even hold on to the football and lets it flop out on a pump fake. He's going to have a much harder time holding on to a slicker NFL ball.
Oh God, here is the hand size debate again, just like when everyone was complaining about Frye's small hands. It's like deja vu all over again.
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Yeah, I know the numbers, and have seen that picture. I am just sick of hearing aout small hands on our QBs and short arms on our tackles. I still expect them to play well.
Everytime I read that Joe Thomas had small arms...I imagined this 300 pound guy with arms only out to where his elbows are at now running around trying to block people.
After another break in the summer, he won't be allowed into training camp until he signs a contract. Negotiations promise to be a bear, since he's a No. 22 overall pick whose agent, Tom Condon, will argue most NFL draft boards ranked him higher.
Sorry budy boy..her was picked 22 not 2nd or even 12th..22 ...big drop from top 5 ..NO FREAKING WAY Condon can have a ledgid case to hold out Quinn for a ton of money.. And that isn't a knock on Quinn from me..I'll bash Condon if he acts stupid..but never know Quinn might speak up for himself on this..
Quinn seems the type whose blood pressure will rise if contract talks drag him into a holdout So does mine..
Head Coach Romeo Crennel suggested Quinn must look better than Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson to start the opener.
Really ..how hard will that be?
"If it's equal,'' Crennel said, "then you may take the guy who has more experience, the guy who has seen the opponent before, and kind of knows what to expect.''
Charlie will start and we'll see if he has the crap beat out of him..
Second-round pick Eric Wright looks as if he will make a strong push for a starting cornerback job.
Who's gonna stop him? Holley? No....
You've gotta play under control,'' Wright said after practice. "I use my speed as much as I can without exerting a lot of energy. I've worked on it a long time. I've sort of mastered it.''
That just told me something..he has 4.3 speed..if he doesn't use all at once and KNOWS how to turn it up when need be, thats a good thing. Play under control..any CB should KNOW how to use closing speed..and how to control that speed so you don't overplay a route or the ball..
"He looks very athletic. He has nice, smooth feet, does a good job of jamming receivers, and he does have the confidence. He looked pretty decent."
Sorry budy boy..her was picked 22 not 2nd or even 12th..22 ...big drop from top 5 ..NO FREAKING WAY Condon can have a ledgid case to hold out Quinn for a ton of money..
Like I told you guys all before, Quinn's going to hold out for #10 money. Leinart held out for #3 money when he was the #10 pick. Quinn's going to follow Leinart's lead.
How do U figure # 10 money??? He slid to 22 ..not 12 or 15 .. He was projected to go in the top 5 ..he didn't so THERE IS NO FREAKING way he will get top 10 money ...
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). We've accelerated the changeover one full year by sacrificing a 2nd round pick, and that's a trade I'd make every single time. 
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