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"He looks very athletic. He has nice, smooth feet, does a good job of jamming receivers, and he does have the confidence. He looked pretty decent."
If my understanding of RAC-ese is accurrate, that is a GLOWING report on this kid, RAC doesn't give out props lightly at all, even to veterans. "He looked pretty decent" is high praise from RAC for a rookie kid that has practiced only twice.
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How do U figure # 10 money???
He slid to 22 ..not 12 or 15 ..
He was projected to go in the top 5 ..he didn't so THERE IS NO FREAKING way he will get top 10 money ...
How hard is this for you to figure out.
Leinart got #3 money at #10
Quinn will demand top 10 money at #22.
It's rather simple.
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he can demand all he wants, there is no way he gets it.
If nothing else, the 31 other GM's in the league would hang Phil for screwing up the slotting.
If you want an ACCURATE comparison of what he can expect, look at Aaron Rodgers who slipped to #24 after being expected to be Top 10.
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he can demand all he wants, there is no way he gets it.
If nothing else, the 31 other GM's in the league would hang Phil for screwing up the slotting.
If you want an ACCURATE comparison of what he can expect, look at Aaron Rodgers who slipped to #24 after being expected to be Top 10.
Quinn will be shooting himself in the foot by holding out at #22. Sliding from 3 to 22 means you don't get top ten money, you get 22 money. The best he can hope for is a shorter length of contract and he'd better not turn blue holding his breath on that one. We all know what happens to hold-outs on the Browns. They sit on the bench until somebody gets around to getting them into the game. If Quinn wants to compete for a starting job he'd darn well better be there from Day One. He's a Browns fan, he's got to know what happened to the last few holdouts.
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"He looked pretty decent" is high praise from RAC for a rookie kid that has practiced only twice.
I was thinking the same thing. Wright sounds like he'll be a great addition to this team.
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BQ's contrace will pay him more than #22 $$$$$ .... how much more .. who knows .. my guess is it will be heavliy ladened with performanced based bonuses that could get him to top 5 - 10 $$$$$ if he reaches them all ... and it will also include clauses for him to get out of the contrace as early as year 4 or 5 if he performs ....
its going to be a contract potentially worth more than any #22 pick before .. and it wont'; even be close ...
Attack ... the reports of Opie saying he started to move up to #12 to get him will hurt in contract negotiations ... Condon will use that as ammo ... as would U or I if we were BQ's agent ..
will he get #10 $$$$$ in the original contrace?? NO WAY IN HELL .... could he be paid more than the #10 pick in the draft if he hits all the incentives??? my guess is YES .... but thats just my guess ...
and my guess is that BQ holds out for a few days based on advice from Condon and then steps in and tells him to get it done ... BQ wants to play football ... he LOVES the game ... we got a guy in BQ that lives, breathes and loves football ...
wait till the stories of his work ethic start coming out ... he will wear KW2, Bray, Joe, Wilson and Cribbs out with extra throwing sessions ... we'll find out just who in our recieving corps wants it ..
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Here ya go, comparison to Rodgers & JP Losman (#24 & #22 in 2005 & 2004 respectively): http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=345018 Quote:
According to a source, terms of Rodgers' contract were almost identical to the five-year, $7.7 million deal Buffalo's J.P. Losman signed last year. Rodgers will receive roughly $5.4 million in guaranteed money and, like Losman, the 22nd pick in the draft a year ago, has escalators written into the contract that would increase the total value of the deal to almost $30 million.
hardly Top 10 money 
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Seems to be hard for U to SIMPLY get it in your head..he will get more than last YEARS # 22 pick but he will NOT GET TOP TEN MONEY..
Can you count instead of relying on stats to post?
22 IS 12 spots from # 10 ...not 1 ..not 2 ..12....say twenty two not ten...
Leinart was still in the top ten when he got drafted..or are you going to try and pull out a stat to back you up?
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Here ya go, comparison to Rodgers & JP Losman (#24 & #22 in 2005 & 2004 respectively):
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According to a source, terms of Rodgers' contract were almost identical to the five-year, $7.7 million deal Buffalo's J.P. Losman signed last year. Rodgers will receive roughly $5.4 million in guaranteed money and, like Losman, the 22nd pick in the draft a year ago, has escalators written into the contract that would increase the total value of the deal to almost $30 million.
hardly Top 10 money
Had Leinart signed #3 money at #10 when those two signed. Nope.
You are living in a fantasy world if you don't think Quinn will ask and hold out to try to get #10 money.
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Seems to be hard for U to SIMPLY get it in your head..he will get more than last YEARS # 22 pick but he will NOT GET TOP TEN MONEY..
Leinart was still in the top ten when he got drafted..or are you going to try and pull out a stat to back you up?
You do know the difference between #3 money and #10 money. Don't tell me you are so naive that you think Quinn's agent will let Quinn sign for #20, #21 or #22 money. Quinn's signing for #14 money at the worst but Quinn's going to hold out because he's going to be asking for Top 10 money.
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According to a source, terms of Rodgers' contract were almost identical to the five-year, $7.7 million deal Buffalo's J.P. Losman signed last year. Rodgers will receive roughly $5.4 million in guaranteed money and, like Losman, the 22nd pick in the draft a year ago, has escalators written into the contract that would increase the total value of the deal to almost $30 million.
PPE is correct..what will happen is the negotiators will tack on 10% for each two years from 05 to 07 and then roll from there..thats a crude estimate but that will be a basis for the contract...
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Oh, I have no doubt that he'll get a bit more than a standard #22, but there is no way he gets Top 10 money... and I was the one the day after the draft that was originally pointing out that the contract would have a shorter than normal length and would likely include voidable years, so you're not telling me anything new there  The shorter contract will decrease the total value of the contract a bit too. Signing bonus and "Likely to be earned" money will have to fit into a smaller window... even moreso that his contract will almost assuredly be a 5 year deal (maximum length for a rookie picked in slots 16-32) with that 5th year "likely" to be voided.
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Attack ... the reports of Opie saying he started to move up to #12 to get him will hurt in contract negotiations ... Condon will use that as ammo ... as would U or I if we were BQ's agent ..
will he get #10 $$$$$ in the original contrace?? NO WAY IN HELL .... could he be paid more than the #10 pick in the draft if he hits all the incentives??? my guess is YES .... but thats just my guess ...
Actually this qote would hurt Opie more..
PS said when he went back to his office after the first day he found a sticky note he had made prior to the draft which was written on it - #3 Thomas, #7 Quinn and # 36 Wright.
He said in his presser they were thinking about moving in the top ten ..starting at 7 to try to get Quinn..
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For a poster who's been so damned wrong, you sure come off as a know-it-all.
You'll forgive me if I fail to see an ounce of logic in any of your statements........
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The sooner everyone just starts to ignore Mensa's ridiculous posts, the better off we'll all be. He's just looking for someone to disagree with him so he can continue to go off with his nonsense. I wish he would get banned but unfortunately you can't be banned for being uninformed and annoying. So I have just learned to skip right over everything he writes. After a while on these boards, you learn whose posts are worth reading and whose aren't. 
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He sounds exactly like his clone soup.......cold and stale.
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He sounds exactly like his clone soup.......cold and stale.
No, I will not go out with you. No matter how much I continue to be in your mind all the time, I will NOT take you out. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Oh, I have no doubt that he'll get a bit more than a standard #22, but there is no way he gets Top 10 money... and I was the one the day after the draft that was originally pointing out that the contract would have a shorter than normal length and would likely include voidable years, so you're not telling me anything new there
The shorter contract will decrease the total value of the contract a bit too. Signing bonus and "Likely to be earned" money will have to fit into a smaller window... even moreso that his contract will almost assuredly be a 5 year deal (maximum length for a rookie picked in slots 16-32) with that 5th year "likely" to be voided.
Not a chance he gets top 10 money. Full agreement with you. But you KNOW he's gonna get higher than #22...I'm thinking Quinn could hold the rest of the rookies in the middle rounds hostage. You know people above and just below him are waiting for him to sign his contract since it WILL screw up the slotting and how much the players in the 15-20 range are worth.
I'm fully expecting a contract in the 15-20 range, closer to 15 than 20. Escalators and performance incentives will be a huge part of his contract.
If I'm Phil I'm fully prepared to pay the guy fairly, and judging by what Phil said on Wills and Snyder, he's thinking that way too.
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I think he'll end up somewhere in the 12-15 range. I also do not believe he will hold out. He wants to start and if he holds out, he's pretty much shooting himself in the foot. I think he may even sign before Joe does.
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Don't forget he's slated to be the backup at the start of the year no matter what happens, so that isn't a card for Condon (who I cannot stand, by the way) to be able to play.
Quinn won't be a longterm holdout, especially with talk that he and his family weren't happy with Condon.
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hey.. there is an inside article on espn about charlie frye.. any body got the inside scoop?
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All it really says is that Frye is taking a non-emotional stance on the entire deal, and that he's studied how Brees handled the situation and is going that route. In essence, he's doing what most of us said he's going to do, which is to keep quiet, work hard, and take the reps with the idea he's the starter and will do well.
Contrary to Mensa's opinion, the Browns won't trade Frye. He's the starter going in and will work hard no matter if he's the starter or not.
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All it really says is that Frye is taking a non-emotional stance on the entire deal, and that he's studied how Brees handled the situation and is going that route. In essence, he's doing what most of us said he's going to do, which is to keep quiet, work hard, and take the reps with the idea he's the starter and will do well.
Contrary to Mensa's opinion, the Browns won't trade Frye. He's the starter going in and will work hard no matter if he's the starter or not.
preciate that.. that was a pretty quick response...
and i think Frye has handled it quite well... as long as we get the W's.. im happy.. if we dont.. then Frye will start to hear the media start chanting for the golden boy..
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For a poster who's been so damned wrong, you sure come off as a know-it-all.
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We've all heard the stories about how small Frye's hands are, and according to NFL.com Quinn has smaller hands than Frye.
Quinn's hand size - http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/quinn_brady
Frye's hand size - http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/frye_charlie
9 3/4" - Frye
9 5/8" - Quinn
C'mon Toad, fair and balanced.
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NFL.com's about as reliable as Mexican water. *L*
They were the same ones that misrepresented Frye's actual hand size, hehe.
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They're also the ones that were carrying the incorrect arm length for Thomas.
As sad as it is, NFL.com's player stats are really just parroting crap they find elsewhere.
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They're also the ones that were carrying the incorrect arm length for Thomas.
As sad as it is, NFL.com's player stats are really just parroting crap they find elsewhere.
I looked for the hand size stats and couldn't find them anywhere. I wish someone could come up with another source. If Quinn's hands are actually smaller than Frye's I want to hear Toad's comeback. 
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I don't know what the truth is, but I do know that when I've seen his hands in interviews, they were friggin huge looking (there was an interview during draft weekend where he sat with his hands folded in front of him). If his hands are "small", I'll be shocked.
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They're also the ones that were carrying the incorrect arm length for Thomas.
As sad as it is, NFL.com's player stats are really just parroting crap they find elsewhere.
But some people need a thread to cling to PPE.
Put them on the field. Then we'll see who gives a damn about these stats.
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I looked for the hand size stats and couldn't find them anywhere. I wish someone could come up with another source. If Quinn's hands are actually smaller than Frye's I want to hear Toad's comeback.
Look harder, hand size is under the 'AGILITY' Topic.
I don't know about the rest of you, but after watching Quinn drop the ball on a pump fake in college and knowing that the NFL ball is harder to hold onto and knowing that he has smaller hands than Frye just scares me to death.
I had a picture that showed Quinn's hand size really well and the picture came from ProFootballTalk.com, but the refs deleted it.
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Tom Brady showed up in Big Games in college
Peyton Manning showed up in Big Games in college
Brady Quinn pulled a Dirk NoWINski in Big Games in college
Senior Years in college
Tom Brady - showed up in 3 out of the 4 Big Games
73.9% vs (10-3) Alabama = 28 (6 more in OT) points given up by the UM Def
73.2% vs (10-2) Michigan State = 34 points given up by the UM Def
63.0% vs (10-2) Wisconsin = 16 points given up by the UM Def
47.2% vs (10-3) Penn State = 27 points given up by the UM Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 23.5
Peyton Manning - showed up in all 5 Big Games
77.5% vs (10-2) Georgia = 13 points given up by the Tenn Def
67.7% vs (13-0) Nebraska = 42 points given up by the Tenn Def
58.1% vs (10-3) Auburn = 29 points given up by the Tenn Def
57.1% vs (10-2) UCLA = 24 points given up by the Tenn Def
56.9% vs (10-2) Florida = 33 points given up by the Tenn Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 28.2
Brady Quinn - showed up in zero of the Big Games
50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan = 47 points given up by the ND Def
48.9% vs (11-2) USC = 44 points given up by the ND Def
42.9% vs (11-2) LSU = 41 points given up by the ND Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 44.0
Does that shed any more light on the subject?
And Quinn should have won the USC-ND game from two years ago when USC scored on the last play when Reggie Bush pushed Matt into the endzone. Quinn put ND into a position to win in that game and the defense screwed up by letting USC pick up a crazy 4th down and the refs let them break a rule to win the game. Was that loss Quinn's fault too?
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Tom Brady showed up in Big Games in college
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Tom Brady - showed up in 3 out of the 4 Big Games
73.9% vs (10-3) Alabama = 28 (6 more in OT) points given up by the UM Def
73.2% vs (10-2) Michigan State = 34 points given up by the UM Def
63.0% vs (10-2) Wisconsin = 16 points given up by the UM Def
47.2% vs (10-3) Penn State = 27 points given up by the UM Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 23.5
Peyton Manning - showed up in all 5 Big Games
77.5% vs (10-2) Georgia = 13 points given up by the Tenn Def
67.7% vs (13-0) Nebraska = 42 points given up by the Tenn Def
58.1% vs (10-3) Auburn = 29 points given up by the Tenn Def
57.1% vs (10-2) UCLA = 24 points given up by the Tenn Def
56.9% vs (10-2) Florida = 33 points given up by the Tenn Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 28.2
Brady Quinn - showed up in zero of the Big Games
50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan = 47 points given up by the ND Def
48.9% vs (11-2) USC = 44 points given up by the ND Def
42.9% vs (11-2) LSU = 41 points given up by the ND Def
Avg points per "big game" to overcome = 44.0
Does that shed any more light on the subject?
Umm, how many points given up has ZERO to do with all the incompletions Quinn threw. And Notre Dame's defense didn't give up 47 to Michigan. Quinn and Notre Dame's offense gave up half those points.
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Peyton Manning
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Brady Quinn
50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan = 47 points given up by the ND Def
Funny how Manning and Brady can still get it done when their defense gives up points but Quinn can't. I'll say it again for you, Quinn is just like Dirk NoWINski he doesn't show up in the Big Games
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Funny how Manning didn't get it done in the Nebraska and Florida games since he lost them both. Listen, I don't have tape on either of these games. Maybe Nebraska played more prevent so Manning got to complete a lot of meaningless passes late in the game, maybe Michigan kept blitzing, maybe ND's O-line couldn't give Quinn time (which is illustrated in the video above - he got hit a ton and his WR's dropped a ton of passes), or maybe Tom Brady threw less passes against MSU which resulted in a high percentage.
So you're overall argument is that a QB is no good based on his completion percentage in big games when his team is blown out? Ok dude, I guess you win. That is afterall the universal method to determining a good pro QB. How silly of me.
And the best part is that you use Manning as an example of a clutch QB. Up until last year he was on the cover of Choker Illustrated. He NEVER beat Florida and couldn't win the big NFL playoff game up until last year.
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And I wouldn't use "Dirk" either. Dirk had a bad series against the Warriors but so did the entire team. And it was Dirk that hit some huge shots in the playoffs last year to get his team to the Finals. He almost got his team up 3-0 on the Heat. I would suggest using T-Mac at the very least. His teams have never made it out of the first round. That's pure "choking".
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Look harder, hand size is under the 'AGILITY' Topic.
I saw it there. They screwed up the arm length of Thomas and hand size of Frye that has been beaten to death already. Toad has pointed that out many, many, many, times.
You're constant way over the top analysis of Quin has made it hard on anyone who expresses legitimate concerns. 
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Funny how Manning and Brady can still get it done when their defense gives up points but Quinn can't. I'll say it again for you, Quinn is just like Dirk NoWINski he doesn't show up in the Big Games
What's funny is you have NO CLUE as to what you're talki8ng about!
Just look at what Peyton did in the NFL untill LAST YEAR! Then look up how many yards the Indy D was giving up ON THE GROUND and in time of posession during the playoffs in prior years.
Now,look at what they did this PAST year as it pertains to those same things.
Peyton COULD NOT win the SB or GET to a SB untill the Indy D stepped up and stopped the ground game.
Once you do your homework on that,get back to me.
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Are you guys serious? Peyton Manning has been a winner his entire life. Peyton Manning was 3-2 vs 10+ win teams his senior year and showed up big in each of those games. Peyton Manning was 3-1 in Bowl Games in his career Tom Brady was 3-1 vs 10+ win teams his senior year and showed up big in 3 out of the 4 games Tom Brady was 2-0 in Bowl Games in his career Brady Quinn was 0-3 vs 10+ win teams his senior year and forgot to show up in all 3 of those games. Brady Quinn was 0-3 in Bowl Games in his career Quote:
maybe Tom Brady threw less passes against MSU which resulted in a high percentage.
- Tom Brady was 30 of 41 vs MSU. Yeah he threw very few passes to get that high percentage.  Tom Brady has been clutch his entire life.
- Tom Brady was 34 of 46 vs Alabama in the Orange Bowl.
- Face it, Tom Brady came up Big in the Biggest Games as a College Football player.
Dirk NoWINski is 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. The guy freezes up in the Big Games. Brady Quinn reminds me a lot of him. Quinn's great vs Navy, Air Force, Army, Citadel, but when the Big Games come around he falters like Dirk.
If you guys think Brady Quinn is the next Montana then you are in for a big surprise. Quinn is the next Testaverde, a solid pro but nothing more.
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Dirk Nowitzki was 14-5 before losing his first game in the Finals last year, so what does that prove? AND they were the 4 seed that beat the Griz, Spurs and Suns! They get to the Finals through the West, lose to Shaq (4-time champ) and D-Wade, and get some horrible calls against them in game 3 and 4....and to you he's the biggest choker of all current athlete's? Since 2001, the Mavs have a 41-43 playoff record. A good portion of that they weren't even top seed (5 of the 7 years they were a #4 or #5 seed). Listen, I'm not here to stick up for Dirk, but you're making me.....I don't even like the Mavs, but to use Dirk as the poster-child for choking is laughable! Again, T-Mac has NEVER gotten out of the first round! Dirk's Mavs have failed to get out of the first round only twice in those 7 years. And yes, the second and most recent one was a total embarassment but hey, the Warriors were hot and the Mavs played like junk. It was the whole's teams fault for sure.....but that doesn't erase Dirk's previous accomplishments. And I don't know how in God's green earth a 7 foot, 240 pound, NBA forward, from Wurzburg, Germany, that never played in college, that has 8-years experience in professional sports could possibly remind you of a 6'3", 225 pound, Ohio born, Notre Dame QB that has yet to take a snap in the NFL. Well, they're both white I guess. ========================Quinn's "Big game" losses ========================== 2006 - USC, Mich and LSU creamed ND for an avg of 44 points =Mich loss - 50 comp%, 3 TD's and 3 INT's.....but we saw how the line helped that game . =USC loss - 49 comp%, 3 TD's but the Trojans were up 21-3 at the start of the 2nd Q - I guess you don't see how that would make it easy for USC to sit back and protect against the pass from that point. =LSU loss - 2 TD's, 1 INT in an absolute blowout...did he play well? Not really....but his defense gave up 41 points! It's not easy passing when the other team KNOWS you're passing every down. 2005 - USC, MSU, and OSU averaged 37 points on ND =USC loss - "Bush push" game - Brady should have won this one and you know it. He was 54% in comp%, 1 passing TD, 1 running TD with 2 mins left (which again, should have been the game winner). =MSU OT loss - Quinn was 33 for 60, 5 TD's, 1 INT and 487 yards where he came back from a 21-pt MSU lead =OSU loss (bowl) - Wow, Quinn's completion percentage was 64% (29 for 45) in a bowl game and no INT's. Did you forget to figure this one into your "he can't complete enough passes in big games even when he losses". And you do remember, OSU had a wicked great D this year. 2004 - I don't want to highlight too much in this season because I don't really remember who was good but I know ND was bad. =USC loss - 51% comp%, 1 TD and a 41-14 loss=Oregon St loss (bowl) - Soph year, 59% comp%, 2 TD's, 1 INT and lost 38-21 You know what trend I see? A junky ND defense kept putting the pressure on Quinn to literally outscore the opposing team in big games. And that's not an easy task when you're playing Mich, USC and OSU. And who were his skill position players the past two years? I'm sure he had the likes of Reggie Bush, Ginn Jr., or other star NFL draftees? Nope....the only two skill position players drafted from ND in the past two years were Anthony Fasano and Maurice Stovall. And together they've amassed 14 NFL receptions in two years. Yes, they had Jeff Samardzija but he's now playing for the Cubs....so his best target was one TE. No great RB's or WR's in that time. How is he supposed to win without great talent around him? Leinart had great RB's in Bush and White with awesome WR's while Quinn had only Samardzija (and don't say Darius Walker, he wasn't even drafted this year). And Peyton Manning has been winner his entire life? He was known as the QB that couldn't beat Florida, never won a National title, never won a heisman (which I guess could be a good thing), couldn't beat New England forever (until his team got a defense) and needed a horrible game by Rex Grossman to win the Super Bowl. That's your idea of clutch? What would have happened if Tom Brady doesn't throw that INT late in the AFC championship game and got a TD instead? The Colts D bailed him out and you know it.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
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The FACT is,although Peyton was NO DOUBT the best QB in the NFL for YEARS,he could NEVER win a SB untill they had a D that could stop the run. Which in turn allowed them to win the time of posession. Those are the facts. See,you are taking two teams,which only on ONE side of the ball were similar. Otherwise,there was no comparison.You have no way of comparing the teams of their oponents or how the teams matched up. You're purely blowing smoke. Check the Tenn. ground game when Manning played verses Notre Dames when Quinn played. Check the pressures,sacks and hurries (ie...OL blocking and protectiion that each QB got on their respective teams.) You won't like what you see. Manning had a much better "suppoting cast" even from a statistical standpoint.I know you'll want to debate that,but let's look at the facts we have to deal with......................... 1998 NFL Draft *first day picks* Tenn.#1 overall; Manning QB #20 overall Fair CB #30 overall; Nash WR #65 overall; Little LB #90 overall; Brown DE *NOTE; 3 first rounders 2007 First day Notre Dame picks#22 Quinn QB #57 Abriamiri DE #70 Harris OT *NOTE; one first rounder Now if you wish to debate this just realise,Tenn. was ONE PICK SHORT of doubling Notre Dame's first day picks in each of these QB's drafts.And Quinn was the ONLY pick from Notre Dame in round one and came AFTER two of Tenn. first round picks in 98!  If you don't believe that has some bearing on the talent level around these respective QB's,I doubt anything will. Manning had a better "team" surrounding him. And he had more time in the pocket. Those two things simply can't be disputed with any degree of relivance IMO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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