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I'm pretty sure he is employed by the team. He does radio play-by-play for games on the Cleveland Browns Radio Network and shows on ClevelandBrowns.com. Yes, he is on WTAM but also, 100.7WMMS, a station in Mansfield, Canton, Columbus, etc. Actually, I don't think games are on WTAM anymore, I think the flagships are 92.3FM, 850AM, and 97.5FM (Akron). Anyways, all those stations are not paying Donovan. They're paying the Cleveland Browns in order to be able to play the games on their frequency to increase demand (and ultimately price) for advertising spots (I think). Donovan gets paid (I'm pretty sure) by the Cleveland Browns to do those games. Thus, an employee.
It's like Tom Hamilton of the Indians. He is an employee of the Tribe, not the hundreds of radio stations he's on.
I'm pretty sure that how the whole system works but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Uh oh - I might owe Vers an apology if that's true.
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Hey so say it...trust me you won't melt or anything 
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He's employed by a Radio network, he's employed by Channel 3, he's also employed by NBC from time to time. He's paid fees to provide reports on various networks.
Don't let the name "Browns Radio Network" confuse you. The Browns don't own that network. Broadcasting companies owns those stations. They use the term "Browns Radio Network" as a tag line, it's meaningless in terms of ownership.
So, since the Browns don't own that radio network, Donovan is not a Browns Employee.
Yes, he does broadcasts on the Browns site. But who's paying him? WKYC, the Radio Partners? I can assure you, it's not the Browns paying a salary.
Now, the Browns could very well be paying for him to produce a show or two, but they would most likely pay his employer who in turn pays him.
There is a helluva lot more to it than you make it seem.
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jc...
What happened to my little skit?
Of all the things that don't get deleted ... and that does ... bizarre.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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jc...
What happened to my little skit?
Of all the things that don't get deleted ... and that does ... bizarre. Yeah, it got deleted, not sure why, it was truly funny, but sadly, it was accurate.. Oh well..
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LOL............what a long, strange trip you are. Well, then come down off your high horse and PROVE that Donovan works for the Browns. or will you turn tail and run, AGAIN
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Donovan: 'Great thrill to be Browns' voice' http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...89-d584a62dc5d3you can pretend he doesnt work for the browns but bernie was doing games too under the same type of deal and the browns fired him didnt they?
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Where does it say he's employed by the Browns? As for being fired, you may not remember this, but remember when Randy Lerner was the owner and his nephew (or was it neice) drowned in a pool at home and I think it was Channel 8, WJW that was the "Browns TV Station) and he fired them for the way they handled the incident. It has nothing to do with who works for who. Show me where he is EMPLOYED BY THE BROWNS.
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I'm not paying attention to who is on which side of this argument, I just see an opportunity to offer proof to settle it. The Wikipedia entry for Jim Donovan states he "has been the radio voice of the Cleveland Browns Radio Network since 1999." The Wikipedia entry for The Cleveland Browns Radio Network states they are owned by The Cleveland Browns.
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I'm not paying attention to who is on which side of this argument, I just see an opportunity to offer proof to settle it. The Wikipedia entry for Jim Donovan states he "has been the radio voice of the Cleveland Browns Radio Network since 1999." The Wikipedia entry for The Cleveland Browns Radio Network states they are owned by The Cleveland Browns. Donovan is the radio voice of the Browns,,, Absolutely. The Browns Radio Network is owned by the Browns,, OK, but remember, NONE OF THE STATIONS ARE OWNED BY THE BROWNS WHO PAYS DONOVAN, the STATIONS or the BROWNS?
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Stations pay Browns -> Browns pay Donovan.
Stations are paying Browns to be able to play the game on their airwaves. Browns are paying Donovan to be the voice of the Browns. Browns can fire Donovan and hire someone else to be that voice.
I'm rather confident that is how the flow works.
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I don't have a photocopy of a paycheck, I imagine it says Cleveland Browns Radio Network. I also imagine that if the Cleveland Browns say "tell Jimmy to say this," or "tell Jimmy to not say that," then Jimmy is saying this and not saying that.
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I also imagine that if the Cleveland Browns say "tell Jimmy to say this," or "tell Jimmy to not say that," then Jimmy is saying this and not saying that. and thats the bottom line.
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If the issue is actually "Browns Image", other than those avid fans, it's pretty bad. And even those avid fans must use a little wishful thinikng and hope to come to their conclusions.For the first part - Some do if they believe all that is spewed by the Bozo's and well maybe in NY cause we got so many they don't believe have the crap they put out there. Some who don't really follow Football they think all they read is true.
As for the later part...speak for yourself not me. How do you remotely think how I feel when you don't walk in my shoes.
Here is what I feel and know.
Pettine is a Super Star HC in the making. They don't happen over night but in one year he has more respect from players on and off our team than any HC we had before. That is the major key.
Farmer is bright and knows talent - he has to learn to curb his emotions. Text gate wasn't even an issue as it was handled in house...I won't expound further on that cause that is another thread and subject. Nobody really knows what happened Draft day last year. Well expcept for Pettine, Farmer and Haslam in regards to the Manziel pick.
Fact is the kid had talent and had issues that were well disguised. Gilbert had issues as well. Both seem to be on their way to conquer it.
In the first year when 1 year ago we were suppose to be the low of lows and if we were to win 2-3 games we would be lucky. We floundered at the end of 2014 to miss the playoffs.
7-9 is the best record for a new Regime.
7 wins is more than this team had in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013. So excuse me if to me our Image isn't that bad.
Gordon, the entire NFL and its fan base knew Gordon had drug issues coming in - it was well recorded. Our image...we did everything we could to help the kid and we stood by him.
Little things happen as well to all teams we were not without them. But really nothing major. QB situations...pffft that is a media driven thing. I know it you know everyone knows it. Yeah its true we don't have a Franchise QB yet.
What we do have is a kick ass Defense in the making. That means a lot and this is not homer bs - I watched and I saw it happening and dawgs can now go to their clipboards and site all the stats they want. I know what I saw and what we got and we got youngsters ready to grow into it. We got the entire team ready to gel into it. We got guys who were hurt, healed and ready to add to it. We got an solid draft coming up and for those who want to BS me about Farmer - we brought in a solid crop last year. I expect to do even better this year and we might even benefit having one or two of the top picks come along!
We upgraded big time at WR. Bowe is an upgrade to Austin. Hartline is a bonus and this guy is great for this team. Unselfish loves the Browns...has made himself into a good player.
We have Mack back which is big time. We got the OL going year two into the ZBS that is not going to change as neither did the OL coaches change. Bitonio is heading into year two wiser experienced and certainly better.
Gipson is back from Injury, Mingo, Taylor, Hughes, Amonty Bryant.
Yeah the Media is telling anyone and everyone that the Browns suck? They are just IDIOTS...you and others wish to believe them - Its Twue Its Twue... go right ahead.
We start winning and they will jump on this band wagon so fast claiming that they knew it all along... pfft
Haslam is not this Evil guy...my goodness so many of you reaming Randy to leave we need a hands on owner...lol  smh Now you wish me to listen to all talking crap about Haslam...hmm maybe there is a theme here...WE LOSE THE OWNER IS A PIECE OF CRAP....
I would love a solid 5 years of continuity and growth but at least give them 3 years.
So no there is no wishful thinking here...I happen to know, believe what I'm talking about. You all can cavort around and complain - Me I'm going to sit back Drink my Cognac and enjoy the ride.
Your choice...I like right where I'm at. Already started paying for my ticket with the Early Bird program I have been wrong so long I don't know how to be right anymore.................LOL Tab I asked you this question several years ago and I will ask again. Does it ever rain at your house? I know you discount my belief that management is the problem and the players are. Someday I want you to take the time to think about the best boss or leader you ever had and if you have ever worked in the corporate world how much of the tone and how the company leadership plays a roll in setting a tone for how that company sets about doing their business. Which leads to consistent growth or collapse. Read what Bernie said I respect the guy he has great insight to this situation and some of the things he said back in November mind you have proven to be absolutely 100% true. Bernie isn't one of the Bozos either. He nailed this crew. I know you believe in these guys and believe me I want to too, but my God man they can't seem to get out of their own way and it concerns me. I don't blame them for our past failures but I have spent a great deal of time thinking about and looking at our past failures and there is a pattern and unfortunately these guys are following that same pattern. You have to set about the task of making it possible for everyone to have and know success. Case and point JF: Even to a novice it was obvious he was ill prepared to play, oh sure there is the I love Johnny crowd that thinks the team laid down on him but we both know (we do don't we) that he wasn't ready to play. They should have know he had a problem, but even so they knew he wasn't the hardest worker on the team either. So we know all these things and they knew these things too, or at least I would like to think they knew and if they didn't know then we are screwed for sure. Knowing these things they push JF out onto the field anyway. It seems minor but its important when your a manager that you put your people in places and situations to succeed they didn't and it's a pattern we have followed since our return. I don't blame them for past failures I do however blame them for following the same failed pattern. Whether you or others realize it that is a huge reason why we continue to fail, and especially so when it comes to QB's. Bottom line though and you need to think about this, you either set your players and team up to succeed or you set them up to fail, in at least 2 instances last season they set their players up to fail, in one instance they wanted the player to fail in the other they wanted the player to succeed but by not being sure the player was ready they set him up to fail. Ultimately its on the player but how they go about their business does make a huge difference. And in the case of JF playing him before he was ready has driven his value to the team and really league wide thru the floor. We couldn't get a chewed piece of bubble gum for JF at this point. When this team fails again this year and they most certainly will you may want to think about why because as you have pointed out the pieces are here to win. But me I'm in my Pig Face mode with this crew this dawg is onto their sent and he won't let go. I hope they prove me wrong I really do but I just don't see it. Make me eat Crow Haslam...
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"Tab I asked you this question several years ago and I will ask again. Does it ever rain at your house?" Only when he forgets to water the flowers in his yard now that was funny!!! 
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BTTB, I see both yours and Vers opinion. Shoot, if I were in Vegas, I'd bet the farm your points are valid. Odds point in your direction.
It's been 100 years of this mess. I get depressed at years end. Hope is all that is left. We are approaching our super bowl. I can't speak for Tab, but I simply want to see some positive sign!
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Tab I asked you this question several years ago and I will ask again. Does it ever rain at your house? No rain just Hurricanes... 
Actually growing up my friends would exclaim...man Andrew (actually they all called me Andy) You can have fun just drinking Water!
mmm...I love a cool glass of water
The part about management being the problem...as stated we just had our best start from a regime. We just had the most wins since 2007...why oh why should I look for "a Problem" that has to be drastically corrected or we are doomed.
I do not see any major problem. I do see good things. There will always be little problems, yeah they have to evolve...but to just put on blinders and see those mistakes and think that is all that they are about. No I don't buy that. I see the media portraying us in disarray then I see/read our individual players as they return and they cannot wait to get into the new season and like playing here. So so much different then how we are being portrayed. See I read the players comments...not stuff "AGENT" who have no morals leak out to the gullible story hungry media.
Pushing JF onto the field - frankly I sort of understood it from what we saw in the Bills game. We needed some sort of change and spark. And if you remember immediately in my What I saw of the Manziel start...I was confused on why we didn't continue with the offense that all were familiar with including Manziel that he utilized in the Bills game - instead we came out with a Shanny version of Manziel's college Scheme...remember all the articles of how the Bengals watched Manziel college tape and were prepared.
And I am sure this is where the text gate popped up as in a WTF which is exactly what I was saying from - the first series on in that Bengal game!
Point blank BTTB...if Hoyer didn't just fall apart, we'd have gone in the playoffs, He would be our starter. But he did fall apart we were forced in doing something. We were in a desperate situation hoping to win out somehow. They stuck with Hoyer about as long as one could.
It happened and its over. Now its time to move forward and I don't see a team in disarray - I do see a team still looking for the Holy Grail. But we do have a lot to look forward.
not back.
jmho its okay to think differently. I don't mind. Its not so much right or wrong. It why and how I choose to look at it. No need to try and change me and others. Express how you feel its fine I have no need to change you. Although its much more happier on my side of the Rainbow
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Stations pay Browns -> Browns pay Donovan.
Stations are paying Browns to be able to play the game on their airwaves. Browns are paying Donovan to be the voice of the Browns. Browns can fire Donovan and hire someone else to be that voice.
I'm rather confident that is how the flow works. Vers said he's on the Browns Payroll, what you just described is him NOT being on the Browns payroll. The Browns can say, we want him removed, they can't fire him from his job at Channel 3 or from the radio station or any place else.
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I also imagine that if the Cleveland Browns say "tell Jimmy to say this," or "tell Jimmy to not say that," then Jimmy is saying this and not saying that. and thats the bottom line. I'm not sure that's fact or just opinion.
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Stations pay Browns -> Browns pay Donovan.
Stations are paying Browns to be able to play the game on their airwaves. Browns are paying Donovan to be the voice of the Browns. Browns can fire Donovan and hire someone else to be that voice.
I'm rather confident that is how the flow works. Vers said he's on the Browns Payroll, what you just described is him NOT being on the Browns payroll. The Browns can say, we want him removed, they can't fire him from his job at Channel 3 or from the radio station or any place else. I don't quite understand what you mean. My post clearly suggests Donovan being employed by the Browns. Let me try and clarify my position on Jim Donovan. He has two employers. Channel 3 and The Cleveland Browns. He is a anchor for Channel 3 for one job. He is the voice of the Cleveland Browns for another. He is receiving two paychecks. Channel 3 cannot fire him from being the voice of the Browns and the Browns cannot fire him from being the anchor for Channel 3. But the Cleveland Browns (the organization that employs him to do play-by-play and gives him one of his two paychecks) can fire him from radio and hire someone else- employers can do that. Just like Channel 3 (the organization that employs him for TV and gives him one of his two paychecks) can fire him from TV and hire someone else. Daman, I think it is pretty clear Donovan is an employee of the Cleveland Browns. Just as he is an employee of Channel 3. I'm pretty sure this is going to be my last post on this topic. If someone has new info, maybe I'll chime back in.
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J/C ..... I honestly cannot believe that this argument is still going on. 
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Our OL wasn't great after Mack got hurt - our Centers were terrible but they did what they had to do to help them and for the most part played well. I don't see this it was really the fault of the OL are even remotely a variable to the demise of our offense. It definitely wasn't as good with Mack but the Play action and pass protection was there for the most part.
I disagree. The Oline broke down. Not to be condescending either. But what I saw was an Oline just about as ill prepared as our QB's and it showed as the season progressed. Even before Mack went down. After Mack was hurt they were horrid as a unit altogether. And for the most part the Oline didn't do very well in play action, run blocking, or pass protection all season long. Really though the offense on a whole was inept much of the season so we are just splitting hairs anyways. My opinion is we we're losing games in the offensive trenches as the season progressed. JMHO
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J/C ..... I honestly cannot believe that this argument is still going on. Oh I can. And I'm surprised that you can't believe it either. lol
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J/C ..... I honestly cannot believe that this argument is still going on. Oh I can. And I'm surprised that you can't believe it either. lol A truer statement may never have been spoken on this board!!!!! LOL!
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Yes, you suggest it, but it doesn't prove it
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I disagree.
Go right ahead...I know what I saw. We didn't do play action well as a whole (OL unit)??? I rest my case after you made that claim. Nothing more needs to be said - I do not wish to insult.
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J/C ..... I honestly cannot believe that this argument is still going on. Oh I can. And I'm surprised that you can't believe it either. lol a discussion about why a discussion is ongoing..... 
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J/C ..... I honestly cannot believe that this argument is still going on. Oh I can. And I'm surprised that you can't believe it either. lol a discussion about why a discussion is ongoing..... Didn't someone dub this the 'Silly Season?'
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I will not claim that it originated on this board, but on Dawgtalk it has been a saying that's been around for many years.
In years past I was very active in scouting players and in draft discussions. However, over the course of the years, with one disappointing draft after another, I've grown rather apathetic to the process. But you will see "silly" things and subjects go on forever during this time.
You will also see it after the draft until pre-season. Then during pre season, you will see people try to say that the pre season is actually indicative of what the season will be like. Even though year after year that gets disproven.
Actually silly season is just a PC term for "stupid crap". lmao
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Go away. You are so freaking clueless or either just going out of your way to degrade me. I'm betting on the latter. Tell me you really have no idea how TV/Radio contracts work w/NFL teams.
Go ahead and explain how independent they are. Pffttt......you are a joke. I am going to quit responding to your crap again.
Vers--- I've chatted with you for a long time over the years. I agree with a lot of things you say. However... I'm going to keep this very simple.. You are off base. Please shelve the topic because you are embarrassing yourself. If you would like to know how I know this... send me a PM. much respect
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gosh... please see my comment to vers. you both are wrong. there is no grey area on the matter. drop it and move on.
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gosh... please see my comment to vers. you both are wrong. there is no grey area on the matter. drop it and move on. your right. there is no grey area on the matter. just admit your wrong and move on.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
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gosh... please see my comment to vers. you both are wrong. there is no grey area on the matter. drop it and move on. your right. there is no grey area on the matter. just admit your wrong and move on. so where do you work? also there was an article written post that article because it was reported inaccurately. Cleveland Browns did not fire Bernie.
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11 pages?
We all know what the Browns image is and it is definitely not good. They should have put this image on all of our helmets, till the tide turns around: 
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gosh... please see my comment to vers. you both are wrong. there is no grey area on the matter. drop it and move on. your right. there is no grey area on the matter. just admit your wrong and move on. so where do you work? also there was an article written post that article because it was reported inaccurately. Cleveland Browns did not fire Bernie. "“I was informed yesterday by the Cleveland Browns and WKYC that I have been replaced as a 2014 preseason game day color commentator." bernie say cleveland browns. good enough for me. oh thats your link lol.
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