DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Is Phillip Rivers an option?

Yet, some are more than willing to give up two firsts for Mariotta. LOL........the guy is a long-shot in my mind to even be a decent qb. Others would be willing to give up 2 first round picks for Winston. He might end up in jail.

We traded up for Manziel. He just left rehab and sucked last year.

But no, we don't want a qb who has proven he can play in this league. We would rather take shots on guys w/more questions than answers.

Brilliant.

Short of charges filed or pictures with rolled up 20's Mariota and Winston are gone by 5. Probably by 3. Everyone needs to stop dreaming about a free falling to 12 or whatever for either one. This isn't that year IMO. If they do fall... It's because of charges filed or champaign rides on inflatable swans.

Anyway, Rivers.... Biggest strikes against are that expiring contract and his (purported) unwillingness to move. If he had 3 years on his contract and wasn't likely to get wedgie over moving I'd give up both 1sts in a heartbeat. Otherwise he's exactly like Bradford... only a better QB. But it's not going to happen because of that contract I actually believe the no-will-move story. Have you been to San Diego? I do not blame him.

He can rent an apartment.

Yes I get that Rivers is a proven commodity, and that QB is by far the most important position on the field.

Yet, he is 33 years old. You're burning two first round picks and a huge amount of cap space to get the guy. It's just not worth it, IMO. When you are building a team, you have to be able to look past what is best for this year or the next couple years.

I don't watch a ton of college football and I don't claim to be a scout so I don't know if Mariota is worth two firsts. You have to understand that given the contracts each would get, trading for Rivers is a much bigger investment even if the draft picks involved are the same. So the upside with a rookie QB is much higher-- Mariota is 12 years younger and would come at a relative bargain as far as contract goes.

Look at how the Seahawks have been able to stack their roster since they have been paying Russell Wilson $20million/year or whatever less than what some other top QBs are being paid (Rivers would be paid like a top QB if he signed an extension with the Browns.)

disagree would rather be in the playoffs with rivers.

Nice argument and you may be right.

I'm not sure PR has enough in the tank for Cleveland. He's old. He's never played well in the winter and he's probably worth a 2nd round pick. Teams asking for 2 first round draft picks are nuts.

I would go even further and say that the QBs are going #1 and #2.



Rivers' wife is from Nashville. He is from Decatur, Alabama, which is only a two hour drive. If he moves he is moving home. There is a 0% chance he is getting traded to us. It's Titans or bust.

That was a fun game. " We win the north easily this year with Rivers" and my reaction was,
No not easily, not with any 3 players in the league.

Give us any 3 players in the league and we still don't win the north easily this year.

And whatever my thought process, Brady, Lynch, and ? and I kinda had to say, define easily.
So it would tak 3 players, and one of em would have to be Brady. Belichic? no, coaches not allowed.

Oh yeah, the 3rd one was Gronkowski. But look, I, still don't think easily. winning the AfC north is never going to be easy. Ahem! Exception, .. those coulple years in the 1980's .. But back then Schott was the coach, so, and all he did was win divisions.

If there is a hall of fame, Marty Schottenheimer belongs in it.

At his age, with his arm, and with our weather I would not give you one first round pick for him.


Unless that one 1st round pick was Johnny straight up in a trade

Has Rivers said he wants to be close to Decatur? I guess if he still has any family in the area it would be an easy enough drive for them to get to his home games.

At any rate, I don't want to toss a couple of first round picks on a 33 year old QB.

I thought I had heard that Rivers wanted to have his family closer to home, which I've heard maybe Tennessee? If that's true it could give Cleveland a fighting chance at signing him to an extension.

Rivers might be 33-years old, but we don't have a realistic chance at landing the only franchise QB in this up coming draft (Jameis Winston) so I would still trade #12 and #19 to rent Rivers for 3 to 4 more seasons.

I think a guy like Rivers could be successful with Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins and Houser. (plus whoever we draft).

Giving up #12 and #19 wouldn't be the end of the world either, we would still have 8 draft picks to work with...

I'm sure having three 1st-round picks would sound extremely enticing to the Chargers.

Odds are pretty good he will be out of the league in 2-4 years at max. I aint giving up a first round pick for that.

Did anyone else find this humorous?

No. Next question.

I saw no humor. Perhaps though Memphis, I don't understand what you are alluding to...

No big deal. It's not meant to be an insult. I saw Phil (instead of Phillip) and the wife's first name.

Seemed like he knows them. Thought it was funny. Guess not. Moving on.

Gotcha! Actually, understanding that, I can now see some humor in it...

Why in the universe would any decent QB want to be here???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Especially Rivers...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ + HOF career!!!

Very likely.........

From everything I've seen Peen, all he really eluded to is that he believes San Diego may relocate to L.A. and he simply doesn't want to raise his kids in L.A.

Everything else has been people trying to connect the dots.

His arm? What's wrong w/his arm?

His age? 33? How much older is he than Weeden? You were willing to give him a chance to prove himself, yet you don't want a guy who is not much older and is one of the best qbs in the league a chance?

That's weird, bro.

Thanks. I hadn't seen anything on it, but then again don't keep up on Phil Rivers.


I have been to Decatur many times. It's a nice enough place, but I wouldn't call it great by any means.....but if it is home, it's home

I can understand why people wouldnt want to pay two 1sts for a 33 year old QB.

But if the choices are..

Trade for Rivers
Trade for Bradford
Trade up for Mariota

Then Rivers, IMO is the best option. Hell if he's interested, id rather trade for Rivers than keep the picks..

Nothing wrong with his arm that being twice as strong wouldn't fix bro. It's weak, it's wimpy. In just a few short years you will have a old, slow, weak armed QB.

Now as for Weeds I was ticked when we drafted him. I didn't bash him because just like with every draft pick I said we needed to give him time to prove himself. It took him two years to prove he sucked.

I think you are vastly understating Rivers arm strength..

I think your wrong.

Watch some film of him last year. Not to many passes going out on a rope going on. Lots of touch passes, passes floated up there. rivers is accurate and he is good with those type of passes but he does have an arm like mine. (and I just had a stroke on my right side six weeks ago)

Compare the pro's and con's of the situation.

Pro's

-We get Phillip Rivers, who is immediately 5x better than any quarterback we've had here in Cleveland since returning in 1999.

-We now have a proven, veteran quarterback, who has consistently put up great numbers.

-Adding Rivers upgrades the most important position on the entire team, and with our strong offensive line, and what should be a strong defense, we MAY in fact be an immediate playoff contender.

-Even trading the #12 and #19 overall picks, we still have 8 draft picks to work with. (and at least 10 in the 2016 draft). It's not like we're mortgaging our entire draft or future for him even if he's only a 3 to 4 year rental.

-Trading for Rivers means we don't have to rely on Josh McCown finding lightening in a bottle to contend for the playoffs. It also means we don't have to rely on Manziel. Maybe we can even bring him along slowly and groom him for a few years? (Long shot, I know).

Con's

-We give up two first round picks.
-He's 33 years old. Meaning we're looking at 3 to 4 years at best.
-Rivers has struggled in colder weather.
-He doesn't have a stellar playoff record.

Those are seriously the only con's I can think of when it comes to Rivers.

In my opinion. Still worth the trade.

If San Diego wanted all 10 of our draft picks, I would say hell no, but they might bite on the #12 and #19 picks, which I could live with considering we'll still have 8 picks to work with.

This is all hypothetical and assuming Rivers would agree to an extension with us.

If we trade for Rivers, he plays well, and we go 10-6 or 11-5, not a single person on this board is going to be worried about trading two first round picks to get him, we'll be celebrating a winning team FOR A CHANGE.

Trade? Did U say 'Trade?' The only trades the Browns should possibly consider is down for more options.
Trade for Rivers, oh h--- no, don't do it.

I said it before, keep all the picks we have and draft to fill all our needs. It's about time we addressed our poor run D and pass rush. Because of our QB situation we need to be an " old fashion" type team this year. Stout run D and be able to run the ball well. That is the key to winning at this time for us. JMO

IMO, Rivers is well worth our two number ones. He is legit, and it would make our offense instantly legit.

It seems the Tennessee Titans have traded for the present Rivers so San Diego can have a future Mariota. (Does he own some Mormon hotels????)