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All the right things being said by Haden there. Hope that what he's saying Manziel is about is accurate.

I really didn't want us to take Manziel, but he's here now. So I hope to hell he becomes the next big thing for us.

Haden is, IMO an excellent role model. He's been a pretty good and clean guy. Had a pretty ugly bump in the road so he should understand from a personal standpoint, the value of not letting some outside stuff get in the way of doing his job.

Getting that message from a guy that hasn't screwed up is great, getting it from a guy that has and cleaned up may hold more value. That's a judgement call of course.

Mac the Browns are as tight lipped around the press now as they were when Mangini was here and it has ticked off a lot of the media. There was a PFT article ripping the Browns for being so secretive about their draft plans. A lot of these guys had very easy access and now that it is gone, they are just making it up and putting anonymous source to it.

It's been rough and brutal the false things that has been said thus far this offseason. Hard to believe anything unless you see it with your own eyes.

And had our FO made the right choice by drafting Teddy instead of Johnny last year.............we would NOT have been having these "bozo" conversations.

That leads me to ask: Who are the real bozos?

I will never understand why as an organization you spend all that money on a study only to ignore that same study?!

farmer was showing how smart he is?

The person who hired the company to do the study was fired.

I am not a fan of Farmer, but I wonder if that decision was his? There really isn't much evidence to say for certain, but ...........

I have doubts on that as well

well haslem said it was farmers pick, farmer said it was, how much evidence do you need?

I have been part of the working force. I know how such things work.

If I could ask Jimmy one question about the Browns in which he was forced to answer, it actually would be that very one. To whom can we truly credit the drafting of one Johnny Manziel?

yea well.... gibert wasnt his pick either and he has no say in the coaching staff hires.....

just sick of hearing how our GMs have no say over anything but the very few draft picks that work out.

Come on, man! Are you really trying to portray me as a Farmer defender? LOL

Most guys on here would say that I am too harsh on him.

Sheesh.........I'm just trying to keep it real.

Well, that answers everything.

I think it was definitely Jimmy's, but Farmer was the fall guy. This is how business works sometimes.

What you said tab is very true on the other hand the JF pick was horrid although I confess I wanted the guy. Then again I can forgive myself because I admit its as close to impossible as it gets to pick QB's unless your talking AL, or PM even I could make those picks.

That said its hard not to see they bungled the pick even if it is in hindsight. And being honest even though I didn't know they should have. But then again I think they did and Haslam got involved and professional opinion was replaced with one of us.

At the end of the day Farmer gets hung with both picks Gilbert and Johnny and he needs to do way better your 1st round picks have to be the core of your team and our core from last year is rotten, and IMO indefensible if he continues like this he will be another body added to the scrap heap.

JMHO

We don't know how good or bad Gilbert can be. The same can be said about Johnny. No one knows for certain, all everyone has is their opinions. Why can't we give a player a chance before we label them as a bust within 7 games of their career? Gilbert has been working with Joe this off season and says he believes in the kid. Here's two links saying at least their teammates are going to let them prove it before they throw the baby out with the bathwater. JF Link

JG Linky Thing

This account seems to be pretty accurate.

Johnny Manziel texted Browns QB coach 'come get me'

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: May 16, 2014 at 07:59 a.m. Updated: May 16, 2014 at 01:57 p.m.
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Quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains told "Sports Talk with Bo Mattingly" on KBCN-FM on Thursday that Johnny Football, in an exchange of texts during the draft, said he wanted the Browns to draft him.

"We're sitting there and they keep showing Johnny on TV, and Johnny and I are texting and he shoots me a text and he says, 'I wish you guys would come get me. Hurry up and draft me because I want to be there. I want to wreck this league together,'" Loggains said, per The Plain Dealer.

Despite general manager Ray Farmer's insistence that Jimmy Haslam had no part in drafting Manziel, Loggains said the owner wanted the quarterback after he heard the text.

"When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine)," Loggains said. "I'm like, 'This guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam said, 'Pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'"

Loggains also said the Browns tried to trade up with both the Dallas Cowboys and Tennessee Titans to ensure they snagged the signal-caller. What we don't know is how many other teams Manziel texted with similar "come get me" pleas.

Regardless of how the quarterback came to Cleveland, the team got its face of the franchise and a quarterback who just might be the man to pull the Browns out of their history-long despair. Perhaps as important for the downtrodden Rust Belt city, it appears Johnny Football wanted Cleveland.

I didn't get swayed by a stupid pro day. I said all along that throwing the ball around in shorts after coming off of a wrist injury doesn't change what I saw in real, live games.

You want to ignore it because it makes Farmer look bad. I get that. But tab, I am not you. I don't defend every stupid move the FO makes. I call it like I see it.

Going into last season's draft I wanted Blake Bortles first, Johnny Manziel second, and then Teddy Bridgewater third. In hind sight today it looks like I was incorrect about Johnny being better than Bridgewater. So I would have made the same mistake as Farmer. For me it could have been a personal bias being a Kentucky Wildcat fan and not liking Bridgewater.

If Farmer would have selected Bridgewater he would easily be the best QB on our roster. The Browns would be a better team today. So Farmer did make a major mistake no doubt.

But, I still did not see anything special in Bridgewater's game that makes me think the Vikings are on their way to being contenders. So while he would have been our clear starter coming into 2015 season I would still have major doubt's that our franchise QB would have been found.

Do you see Teddy as future top flight franchise QB that will make the Vikings contender year end and year out? There is a huge difference between finding a QB and finding a top flight franchise QB.

Thanks for the honesty.

I think TB is going to be a top tier qb. His intelligence, ability to read defenses and coverages pre and post snap are amazing. He is mobile, but looks to throw first. His arm is good. His touch is good. I was disappointed in how many picks he threw, but I think that will improve.

I think the Vikings talent sucks. Charles Johnson, the guy we cut, was their best WR. They lost Peterson. Their OL was maybe the worst in the league.

He made quite a bit out of nothing. I believe that if we had drafted him, we would have made the playoffs.

Well if you are right about Bridgwater then history will look back really badly on Farmer especially if Manziel does not improve. To make matters worse he could have had Teddy at pick 26 and not trading up losing a 3rd round pick in the process.

Keep in mind I like Pettine and Farmer and still hold out hope for them but that sure does look like a major blunder.

I will also say I liked the trade down from #4 to #9 but I was hoping it was for either Odell Beckham or Darquez Dennard. I was not sold on Gilbert but I did like his potential. While waiting for pick #26 I was hoping Johnny Manziel would fall to us at 26 but would not have been heart broken if he did not because I thought Kelvin Benjamin or Teddy Bridgewater would be fine there. I did not like the trade up. I always prefer the trade down to the trade up. More selections increases the odds of finding more talent.

I guess I hope Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel both show some real improvement in 2015 and Farmer can hit on his 2 first round picks this year.

There are multiple guys that would have been the best QB on our roster had they been picked, not just Bridgewater. That compounds the mistake.

Yep, a Derek Carr drafting last year would have resulted in no "what Qb should we draft this year" discussions. As we stand right now, whether you wish to admit, the JF selection has been more detrimental on our road to success than anything else.

The issue is, it's done and cannot be reversed, we must play with the cards at hand.

This is why I have a feeling Teddy may not succeed. The talent around him is not very good. This could lead to team struggles, and I don't think Teddy can overcome poor receivers, poor running game, etc, especially not this early in his NFL career.

It really leads to the premise that a good or great QB, still can not overcome poor talent elsewhere by themself. There needs to be a balance.

I also think it may be why so many first round QBs seem to fade into nothing in this era, where the weakest teams get to pick the best QBs, only for that QB to fade away because of the lack of talent around them.

Look no further than our favorite team to substantiate this....

Ain't that the truth.. One has to wonder, and I hate to bring it up but, would Tim Couch been better with a better supporting cast?

Yes, I do believe so. JMHO

Interesting, if true.



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I bet their very pleased it didn't happen (If true). They'd be in the Mariota and etc convos if so.

You seem like a good guy.

Look, it's just my opinion. TB might not be as good as I think he is. We are all a bunch of schmucks offering our opinions.

I could be dead wrong, except for the part that we would not be even considering a qb this year had we drafted TB.

I have been thinking about that, as well. Last year, I was like how is Minni winning any games?

The Vikes will probably work hard to improve the talent around TB. We'll see how it shakes out.

Someone mentioned supporting cast and Timid. I don't agree that he would have ever succeeded, no matter where he was.

He was clueless when it came to reading coverages post snap. That made him hold the ball forever and the OL got blamed for all his sacks. He then started checking down way too early because he got sick of being hit. He was one of the worst first round qbs of all time. And not one team wanted to even take a chance by trading for him---and that was BEFORE anyone knew he had a shoulder injury. He had a 10 cent head.

He is actually the prototype QB when I am talking about don't ever draft a guy who can't read coverages post snap.

I don't think we should be considering one now.