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Farmer wants Mariota.

2014 – The most decorated player in school history led Oregon to more wins (36) than any of his contemporaries in three seasons while holding no fewer than seven of the program's season and career passing pinnacles, and eclipsing conference standards . . . The Ducks' first Heisman Trophy winner ever and the first from the state of Hawai'i became Oregon's second unanimous first-team All-American of all time, with his accolades including player of the year by the Associated Press, the Walter Camp Football Foundation, and the Maxwell Award . . . Also bestowed with the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback and Johnny Unitas Golden Arm awards as the nation's top collegiate quarterback . . . Directed the most efficient offense (23.5) in the country and led all quarterbacks nationally with a total quarterback rating of 90.9 . . . Finished the season ranked third among FBS quarterbacks with 4,454 passing yards . . . Completed 24 passes for 333 yards and two touchdowns, including a 70 yard TD toss, in the inaugural College Football Playoff Championship game versus Ohio State . . . Recorded a season-high 26 completions for 338 yards, scoring two touchdowns through the air and one on the ground in the College Football Playoff Semifinal Rose Bowl Game victory over Florida State . . . Accounted for a minimum of three touchdowns in 13 of 15 games and four scores 10 times, throwing for four touchdowns and running for two others in the regular-season finale at Oregon State before tossing a pair of scores and running for a collegiate-best three TDs in the Pac-12 Championship Game against Arizona . . . Opened the season with a trio of touchdown tosses and a fourth on the ground in the opener vs. South Dakota before duplicating the feats at Utah and against Colorado . . . Also ran for a pair of touchdowns and throwing two into the end zone against Wyoming, UCLA, and Stanford . . . First completed a season-best five scoring aerials at Washington State while completing 21 of 25 passes for 329 yards, and added five TD tosses at California . . . Included were 14 completions in 15 second-half attempts in Pullman, Wash. . . . Finished his day in his second Arizona meeting by completing his final 11 attempts before exiting the contest following three plays into the fourth quarter . . . Also finished with a trio of touchdown passes in the win over Michigan State . . . Combined to complete 40-48 passes in a two-game span against the Cougars and Wyoming (.833), with his 84-percent completion rate in Pullman marking his fourth career showing better than 80 percent and trailing only his 87 percent (20-23) at USC in 2012 . . . Completed 17 of 28 passes (318 yards) against the Spartans to earn Walter Camp National FBS and Pac-12 Conference offensive player-of-the-week accolades . . . Also claimed conference POW honors in consecutive weeks following winning performances against the Golden Bears and Cardinal . . . Threw for a season-high 367 yards (19-25) vs. Arizona in Santa Clara while eclipsing 300 passing yards in his final three appearances . . . Extended his string of games throwing at least one touchdown pass to all 41 games in which he has played . . . Averaged 10.7-yard average (75 yds.) on the ground vs. UCLA while averaging 14.2 yards per carry (71 yards) against Wyoming . . . Eclipsed the century mark in rushing for the first time his junior year with 114 yards in Salt Lake City - his fifth 100-yard rushing effort of his career . . . Caught his second pass of his collegiate career - both resulting in touchdowns - with a 26-yard scoring catch vs. Arizona . . . Ran his string of pass attempts without an interception to 253 before succumbing to his first errant throw of the year vs. the Golden Bears, with the Pac-12 record-holder (353, 2012-13) the only player in league history to put together multiple interception-free sreaks of 200 attempts or more . . . Became Oregon's career passing leader with his fourth 300-yard passing effort of the year vs. Cal, with his 10,125 all-time yards surpassing Bill Musgrave's (1987-90) 8,343 yards . . . Owns the conference record for most touchdowns accounted for in a single season (58), breaking Matt Barkley's (USC) mark of 41 from 2011 , , , Also became the sixth player in FBS history to pass for over 9,000 yards (10,796) and run for over 2,000 yards (2,237) in a career . . . The Hawaii native now owns school records for career total offense (13,033), passing yards (10,796), completions (779), touchdown passes (105), rushing yards by an Oregon quarterback (2,237), completion percentage (.668), total TDs (136), and total points accounted for (816) . . . Became the 14th player in conference history to eclipse the 10,000-yard barrier in total offense, surpassing Matt Barkley's career standard in the Pac-12 title game, and is 7th all-time in Pac-12 career passing yards (10,796) . . . Led the country in passing efficiency (181.7), quarterback rating (90.9), yards per pass attempt (10.0), and points responsible for (348), in addition to ranking second in passing TDs (42), fifth in total offense (348.3), fifth in completion percentage (68.3%), seventh in passing yards per completion (14.65), and third in passing yards (4,454) . . . Completed requirements for his undergraduate degree in general science at the end of the Fall term (in less than four years) with a GPA of 3.22.
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Rivers is not signing an extension with us.

I'd give every draft pick we have for that person!

I really don't disagree with your premise except for one point.

In one place you say "Browns believe that Mariota is a better prospect then they should go after Mariota."

Now that point I disagree with. The price is far to steep to put that much of an investment in someone the simply see as "a better prospect".

However, in another part of you post you say, "If they see Mariota as a true franchise quarterback then pick 12, 19 and whatever else they are willing to part with to get him is worth it."

Now this, I agree with.

To me they would have to be 100% sold on MM as a true franchise QB in order to make such a huge investment. Not simply "a better prospect".

Farmer wants Mariota.

2014 – The most decorated player in school history led Oregon to more wins (36) than any of his contemporaries in three seasons while holding no fewer than seven of the program's season and career passing pinnacles, and eclipsing conference standards . . . The Ducks' first Heisman Trophy winner ever and the first from the state of Hawai'i became Oregon's second unanimous first-team All-American of all time, with his accolades including player of the year by the Associated Press, the Walter Camp Football Foundation, and the Maxwell Award . . . Also bestowed with the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback and Johnny Unitas Golden Arm awards as the nation's top collegiate quarterback . . . Directed the most efficient offense (23.5) in the country and led all quarterbacks nationally with a total quarterback rating of 90.9 . . . Finished the season ranked third among FBS quarterbacks with 4,454 passing yards . . . Completed 24 passes for 333 yards and two touchdowns, including a 70 yard TD toss, in the inaugural College Football Playoff Championship game versus Ohio State . . . Recorded a season-high 26 completions for 338 yards, scoring two touchdowns through the air and one on the ground in the College Football Playoff Semifinal Rose Bowl Game victory over Florida State . . . Accounted for a minimum of three touchdowns in 13 of 15 games and four scores 10 times, throwing for four touchdowns and running for two others in the regular-season finale at Oregon State before tossing a pair of scores and running for a collegiate-best three TDs in the Pac-12 Championship Game against Arizona . . . Opened the season with a trio of touchdown tosses and a fourth on the ground in the opener vs. South Dakota before duplicating the feats at Utah and against Colorado . . . Also ran for a pair of touchdowns and throwing two into the end zone against Wyoming, UCLA, and Stanford . . . First completed a season-best five scoring aerials at Washington State while completing 21 of 25 passes for 329 yards, and added five TD tosses at California . . . Included were 14 completions in 15 second-half attempts in Pullman, Wash. . . . Finished his day in his second Arizona meeting by completing his final 11 attempts before exiting the contest following three plays into the fourth quarter . . . Also finished with a trio of touchdown passes in the win over Michigan State . . . Combined to complete 40-48 passes in a two-game span against the Cougars and Wyoming (.833), with his 84-percent completion rate in Pullman marking his fourth career showing better than 80 percent and trailing only his 87 percent (20-23) at USC in 2012 . . . Completed 17 of 28 passes (318 yards) against the Spartans to earn Walter Camp National FBS and Pac-12 Conference offensive player-of-the-week accolades . . . Also claimed conference POW honors in consecutive weeks following winning performances against the Golden Bears and Cardinal . . . Threw for a season-high 367 yards (19-25) vs. Arizona in Santa Clara while eclipsing 300 passing yards in his final three appearances . . . Extended his string of games throwing at least one touchdown pass to all 41 games in which he has played . . . Averaged 10.7-yard average (75 yds.) on the ground vs. UCLA while averaging 14.2 yards per carry (71 yards) against Wyoming . . . Eclipsed the century mark in rushing for the first time his junior year with 114 yards in Salt Lake City - his fifth 100-yard rushing effort of his career . . . Caught his second pass of his collegiate career - both resulting in touchdowns - with a 26-yard scoring catch vs. Arizona . . . Ran his string of pass attempts without an interception to 253 before succumbing to his first errant throw of the year vs. the Golden Bears, with the Pac-12 record-holder (353, 2012-13) the only player in league history to put together multiple interception-free sreaks of 200 attempts or more . . . Became Oregon's career passing leader with his fourth 300-yard passing effort of the year vs. Cal, with his 10,125 all-time yards surpassing Bill Musgrave's (1987-90) 8,343 yards . . . Owns the conference record for most touchdowns accounted for in a single season (58), breaking Matt Barkley's (USC) mark of 41 from 2011 , , , Also became the sixth player in FBS history to pass for over 9,000 yards (10,796) and run for over 2,000 yards (2,237) in a career . . . The Hawaii native now owns school records for career total offense (13,033), passing yards (10,796), completions (779), touchdown passes (105), rushing yards by an Oregon quarterback (2,237), completion percentage (.668), total TDs (136), and total points accounted for (816) . . . Became the 14th player in conference history to eclipse the 10,000-yard barrier in total offense, surpassing Matt Barkley's career standard in the Pac-12 title game, and is 7th all-time in Pac-12 career passing yards (10,796) . . . Led the country in passing efficiency (181.7), quarterback rating (90.9), yards per pass attempt (10.0), and points responsible for (348), in addition to ranking second in passing TDs (42), fifth in total offense (348.3), fifth in completion percentage (68.3%), seventh in passing yards per completion (14.65), and third in passing yards (4,454) . . . Completed requirements for his undergraduate degree in general science at the end of the Fall term (in less than four years) with a GPA of 3.22.
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Outside of a very select few do you ever really know if a college quarterback prospect will become a franchise quarterback?

In addition there is a big space between a franchise quarterback and a bust.

The Browns have not even had a legit starter. There are 32 teams even a guy in the top half would be a huge improvement.

Casserly's point is simple: The Browns do not have a guy on the roster capable of leading a team. If that is the perceived case then you go after the guy you believe will give you a better chance to win long term. McCown can be a spot starter and a backup. If need be he can start the season and then you see what happens as the season progresses. Not unlike last year with Hoyer.

You give up three picks. What guarantee do you have that those picks will be anything? Lets say they turn out average. Where are you at the end of the year? Will the Browns be much better than average( like 8-8)?

Then next year is the team in a position to win a title?

You going to bank on McCown and Manziel?

The Browns have to take bold measures if they ever plan on winning a championship.

They know more than any team about Mariota. They scouted him heavy last year. Now with the added knowledge of their new quarterback coach they are in position to take a calculated risk.

I thought Mariota made the right decision last year to stay in school. At the same time I thought he was a great prospect last year. Now after this past season he proved what he can do at the college level over a three year period. His numbers and the tape are there for those who wish to really look.

For those who believe he is a system quarterback and can not read defenses. There is no convincing necessary.

The Browns or some other team will take their chance.

We already have two projects at quarterback. Manziel and Shaw.

For the rest of the football world, the Browns need to be a dysfunctional organization, otherwise they have to re-evaluate their 'world order.'

Shaw is not better than Johnny.

Since they both got about equal playing time kind of... Shaw looked more poised, ability to get the ball out and comfortable in the pocket than Manziel. Shaw stood in there like a man and took some hits and got the ball out on them.

If I had to make a choice because tomorrow is our first game between Shaw and JF - I'd say Shaw in a heartbeat.

Sample size is too small and you simply cannot ignore their collegiate careers and even more importantly---their skill set.

Shaw does NOT have the arm to ever be a starter in the NFL.

Shaw may be better prepared, but talent wise he is not close to Manziel.

Shaw may be better prepared, but talent wise he is not close to Manziel.

In a way, I wonder if that isn't why the team started him when they did. ...Just a thought.

This is kinda like a school transcript for someone interviewing for a job. It's a whole lotta words to describe things that have happened, all the while telling the reader absolutely NOTHING about whether or not the person can do the job they are interviewing for.

That's quite possible, YTown. At that point in the season, we were no longer a serious contender (mathematical chance only) for a playoff spot, so there was little to lose and much to be gained in starting Manziel...

Shaw is not better than Johnny.

There are no sure things in the draft. At the end of the day it is always a gamble.

I'd personally put the Jets and Eagles above the Bears, and would add New Orleans to the list, probably above the Rams.

I understand that New Orleans has the assets, but I don't see why they would do it. They should be trying to get as much out of Brees as possible in his final years.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns’ interest in Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is “very real.” However, Cabot adds that they would only be interested at the right price.

According to Cabot, Cleveland is open to trading up to get Mariota, but she wonders if trading their No. 12 and No. 19 overall picks will be enough to get a deal done with the Titans.