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I have absolutely ZERO confidence in the "texting" GM. JMHO.

Now, if he can land Bradford and a run stuffer in the first round, I'll be happier.
QB will be set and the D will get a need area met.

Forget Bradford, I say he should get Aaron Rodgers. I'd also be happy with Luck, but would prefer Rodgers. Brady and Manning are too old at this point. Otherwise, I'd like for Farmer to go after them. If he can't get Rodgers or at least Luck, I will be beyond furious.

Wow, you are a riot.

Happy Friday, friend.

Whatever...Get back to your heavy drugs and have a nice day lil fella...

Wow, so much hostility toward a guy trying to bring a small smile to your face heading into the weekend. Oh well. Enjoy your weekend, sir.

You are taking me too seriously.....Apologies...
Happy Weekend to you too!

You have to go with your evaluations. You either have MM evaluated to be worth the risk in trading two first round picks "plus some" or you don't.

Once you get later in the draft all you're doing is taking a flyer on a QB. Depending on BPA at those picks, once again you trust your evaluations.

While it's true you're not going to be a contender without a QB, it's also true you will only be delaying any success by drafting the wrong QB. IMO, MM isn't worth the gamble. We'll find out how highly Farmer has him rated on draft day.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't read about a trade , and it always involves the Browns /Eagles and Bradford .. Smock or fire , I will never get all the Bradford love , never ..

If Mariota is worth two first round picks, he is actually worth way more than two first round picks.

I know I don't like the idea of giving up two 1st round picks the second best QB from a field of two.

I think that if we had the number 1 overall pick in this draft that we would take MM rather than Winston.

I'm sorry, but I have very little faith in that Farmer will get it right.

He lacks experience w/the draft. In KC, he studied pro rosters. No experience w/the draft.

He comes to Cleveland and w/in a year he is running a draft. He passes on guys like Beckham Jr even though he knows Gordon is getting suspended. He passes on Teddy and trades up for Johnny. He drafts Gilbert. He runs off our best coach w/his arrogance and meddling ways. He has looked into trading for Bradford. It's rumored that he wants Mariotta.

I hope he proves me wrong and if he does........unlike most of you, I will admit I was wrong, but I ain't holding my breath.

Less than a week away Ray...

I thought this was a thread on Shane Ray, the defensive end prospect who looks more like an octagon fighter than a football player.

Look, Ray Farmer is not going to be making these decisions by himself, The head coach and the owner are going to have to go along with whomever they pick.

I just hope the Browns have the cahaones enough to realize the Browns don't have to do ANYTHING that anyone else wants them to do.

This is the Browns' pick, the Browns' team, and NOBODY ELSE has this teams best interest in mind.

Remember, the MEDIA WANTS the Browns to be losers, and So do the other NFL owners.

Browns need to make their pick, get best player available, (KEEP THE TEAM TOGETHER), and tell em all where to go.

38 special song!

( If this team took 2 Wr's in the first 3 picks, there's a chance to drastically change the fortunes of this offense!)

Gabriel, Benjamin, Martin, and Hawkins, aren't real threats.

I've been thinking about flipping the situation and the trade bust...

Imagine we were picking #2 and traded with Tennessee for #12 and #19. Forget about our need for a franchise QB, we want to add position players.

Then, Mariota becomes a franchise QB for the Titans and we pick another Wimbley/Braylon combo in the first. That would be the ultimate humiliation.

Although Farmer is including the head coach and owner in the discussions, in the end the final say will be his. If I'm the GM I'd want to know what the others have to say too. But damn if I'd let myself be put in the situation where others have to ok my final decision.

That would be like the head coach having to get the ok from the GM for the game plan.

To add to this, I think there is a distinct difference between "doing your job" and "operating in a vacuum".

I am 100% positive all the great franchises collaborate on key decisions while also staying in their own lanes.

I mean it sounds almost too dumb to write because it's just common sense.

Good point.

Tit for tat.

It is NOT a good point. It is a stupid point. You do NOT want the FO to determine who plays and who doesn't play.

You guys are so freaking hypocritical. We have posts on here that bad-mouth Banner for wanting to control the roster and then there are posts like the above that defend the FO controlling the roster.

Hypocritical.

And don't give me a narrative about how they are different. If anything, there is way more proof of Farmer and company were more aggressive in making personnel decisions than Banner and company.

God, I hate the double standard that you guys bring to the table.

I don't think I said or even alluded to anything about the GM controlling the roster. It's his final say on the 53 man roster and it should be the HC's final say regarding the control of it.

I didn't confuse the two.


However, for the two of them to communicate to each other about players, from either viewpoint, I believe is a good thing.

Just so they stay in their own lane as it pertains to decision making.

Seems rational and logical to me...

I agree with that. The GM should control which players are on the final 53 man roster, and the Head Coach should decide which players are on the game day active roster, and who the starters are, etc.

Ideally, the GM should be in deep and frequent consultation with the Head Coach about which player make the 53 man roster as well, and the Head Coach should explain why certain players are active, starting, and so on, on game days.