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Good luck finding ways to fix poverty. No politician wants to fix it; finding a solution to poverty represents completely upending the status quo of our nation.

It is really too bad we are again discussing race. This is not the issue here. These looters are harming folks of all races in the destruction of community and businesses. The suggestion was made that the destruction in Ferguson was due to the fact that there were no black leaders there. Well, there is a strong black leadership and presence in Baltimore yet it occurs once again.

That is why I mainatin this is not an issue of race but one of haves and have nots. The people looting are, most likely, not even from Baltimore. They have taken advantage of the situation. Talking to them is pointless because they do not care about the city of Baltimore.

Alveda King has good ideas but she seems to be sadly disconnected from the reality of the life of these looters when she suggest parents call their kids and tell the to get home. She has done so all day. These people are doing this because there most likely is no one who cares about them to call them and tell them to go home.

The peaceful demonstrations are now passed. It is time for the measures to be taken toward the preservation of this wonderful city I have spent much time in. Protect the city, residents, businesses and officers. If it means force, so be it.

BTW You don't need to know "Mr. Gray" to be upset about his death. Empathy isn't given to those that you know.

I don't believe that it is fixable....not at this point....the system has been heading this way for decades.....

And you are already seeing the beginnings of it.....right now, it seems racial, but in reality, its about poor ppl lashing out against the system, and those with the power and influence and $$...

When ppl start getting hungry, that is when things will really hit the fan though....thats when it will be all out war/martial law/etc/etc.

There is simply too much greed in this country, we have a whole host of ppl whose only job is to create more laws--in effect, making more criminals.....and we have a growing underclass who contribute nothing to society but expect something owed to them....and we also have a whole class of ppl working who make so little that it would make more sense for them to just collect welfare and exploit social programs..

This country is dead in the water, and teh current power structure is not going to change without a serious fight---hence the nations police force beefing up on military gear.....

PPl are going to get hungry and pissed, and come for those in power, and those in power are not going to give it up without a fight....

Its going to get ugly, I'd say within the next 2-5 years....

Correct, but you missed the point of the looters true ambitions here.

The catalyst for the riots was absolutely race based. Police brutality quickly accelerated outrage.

No way does this absolve those tearing apart the community. Just realize life is one giant shade of grey instead of the absolutes the media tries to get out there.

And here's a little more from Martin Luther King Jr. on rioting.



Digest that.

Chances are that those who reallly cared about the death of this young man and their community are with other like minded souls trying to digest this destruction of their city. Their protests were peaceful and appropriate.

The destruction of their city is being percipitated by opportunists...the same ones running from the liquor stores with their stolen bottles of alcohol, the same ones burning the new building built by the Southern Baptist church, the same ones running from the businesses with their stolen goods. Empathy.....I think not.

There's a riot in baltiwhore? How could you tell?

Let me first state that I hate this city, and I have reason to hate this city. I have no desire to ever go there again, and I've refused to go there, even though I've never seen the Browns play a regular season game in person.

That being said, no one in this rat infested, sewer pit of hell deserves what is happening in this city. The riots will accomplish nothing to solve any problems they may have with the police, and all these people are doing is making their situation worse. I wish they would protest as MLK Jr. tried to show them, and protest peacefully. They would have resolved more problems if they had gathered outside the police station, gathered on the sidewalks, and sang gospel songs. That would have gotten the city's attention and fostered much more good will and opportunity.

This entire situation has been mishandled by the mayor, the police, and even the governor. The rioters have done nothing to improve their situation.

I am going to say this: If nothing else, there is an appearance of a problem with police as far as Black people are concerned. That has to change, because it leads nowhere good. Police should not be forced to choose between protecting their own lives and not hurting someone who is committing a crime, but it does seem as though the line could be crossed on occasion. I don't know how often it happens. There are probably hundreds, or thousands of arrests each and every day, and these reports are not extremely common. I think that if there were an institutional problem that these incidents (for lack of a better word) would show up far more often than they do. However, like I said, there is the appearance of a problem.

I think that any solutions are going to be difficult to implement. So many people see things based on what they believe, as opposed, or maybe simply more than they see what actually happened. Their experiences color their observations. I look at those who testified in the case of the Police officer in the Michael Brown case. People flat out lied about what happened. Maybe they did so thinking that they saw what they said, but some changed their testimony when reminded that they were under oath. Maybe others did so feeling that they would be "evening things out". I don't know. All I do know is that a solution has to be found, and those involved on all sides of the problem are going to have to help find it. The cycle of arrest, protest, trial, protest, damage has to change. It doesn't help anyone, and can actually hurt some. (changing minds, besides the damage to peoples property and belongings)

I don't know what the solution is, but someone needs to bridge the gap between community and law enforcement in a positive manner, and people on all sides need to show more respect for other people, whether cop, or civilian, Black, White, any combination, or other races. No side can demand respect from the other, unless they are willing to give respect in turn.

Just my $0.02.

MADNESS!

The Police are too brutal and out of control. These people rioting and destroying their neighborhoods are nothing but animals. Sometimes makes me think the whole world has gone nuts.

I don't feel for either side, not one iota! I feel for the poor GOOD people caught in between!

I'll tell you why there's a mistrust in cops. better yet, i'll show you:



And yet the media and the majority in the country (read: whites) defend stuff like this.

make no mistake, this DOES happen often. I dunno where you get this "not extremely common". it's been happening all the time, but now people with cameras on their phone is finally putting the cops on blast.


Blacks have been asking nicely since the civil rights movement to be treated fairly.

didn't happen.

we've been asking since the 70-80's to be treated fairly.

didn't happen.

we've been asking for decades to be treated fairly.

didn't happen.


Yet now people wanna act all surprised that the community had has enough of this crap.

I don't support the riots and destructions, but i understand it. i understand why it's finally boiled over.

don't complain about the reactions of a demographic that has been treated like second class citizens since the end of the civil war. This situation could've been solved decades ago.

We weren't the ones who invented Jim crow laws. We wasn't the ones who make the prison system for profit. we wasn't the ones who made the justice system target poverty stricken people. we wasn't the ones spraying citizens with fire hoses. we wasn't the ones who pushed minorities into ghetto's and projects. we weren't the ones who purposely infected blacks with the syphillis virus to study the affects of the disease. we aren't the ones discriminating off of first names.

white people with power created the monster. y'all just pissed because I'm telling the truth, and y'all don't wanna face reality.

everybody wants to cry about us rioting, yet nobody wants to talk about why we do it in the first place.


i mean damn. it must be nice to know your heritage. you guys love to call yourselves Irish and slavic and y'all have the privilege to know your culture.

we had to invent our own culture. most of our last names are from slave owners. i mean seriously. you think a black guy with the last name of Johnson just happen to have that name? we was stripped of our names and given ones. most of us don't even know what country we came from. because they stripped our history and heritage.

we invented a culture. a culture of violence and dependency that was LEARNED over decades of segregation and violence.

that's IMPORTANT to know where we came from. and we DON'T.

man.......I'm going to bed. good night.

No, not many people would defend stuff like this.


Some have, some haven't asked nicely. A lot have been treated fairly. Just as you keep pointing out that white people evidently don't care about the incident, just the rioting reaction... I will point out that a lot of blacks seem to not care about the progress that has been made.. you say that through the 60s, 70s, 80s, and on nothing happened.. I'll say bullcrap. You forget about all of the blacks that are perfectly integrated into society with good jobs, nice homes, kids in good schools.. It can be done, in fact it's not all that hard... stay on the right side of the law, take your education seriously, get a job, stay on the right side of the law...


Yet y'all cling to this notion that only democrats can fix it... amazing. I'm not pissed and I fully accept that what you are saying is true.. white people created it, but white people can't fix it without the cooperation of black people..

You wrote: Blacks aren't getting that. We are getting shot on spot

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http://www.wral.com/durham-officer-on-shooting-it-appeared-to-be-an-ambush-/14426174/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/...nation-attempt/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/04/police-officer-killed-shooting/24359961/

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Are you happy? Is this evening it all out? And that was just Googling "cop ambushed". The first two I specifically picked because its is an agency that I work near. I mean, we can go tit for tat the day is long.

You do make a lot of good points in some of these threads, but this BS of yours about "getting shot on the spot" is just that, BS. I know you post some things just to get a rise out of people, and you certainly don't need me to tell you how you should post, but IMO you have a lot to contribute and you do your self a disservice with the nonsense.

I'll just leave this here... I'm sure it'll blow some minds. Seattle PD has a black man detained in regards to a domestic incident. Note that the cops are white, their demeanor when talking with him, and even the part toward the end when they shield him from the incoming fire.

I would be surprised if a lot of people didn't agree with you, but I believe our country and others have been through things like this before.

The most significant was the 60's riots. There was looting, burning and anti-police/government demonstrations(?) across the country.

One step toward a solution is everybody recognizing what's happening. It seems before Baltimore there were 2 sides debating about Ferguson and other incidents.

What I've heard about Baltimore is most people are concerned about young black men's treatment by police and most people are concerned about the senseless damage caused by riots.

Swish made a statement about mental illness and I believe the rioters are definitely displaying mental illness. A lot of these kids have seen some pretty traumatic s... in their lives.

That's not an excuse or a justification, but it does show a problem which needs to be addressed if we want to see these riots go away.

The neighborhoods these kids come from promise nothing in their lives, but misery and surrender. "Acting out" is a definite symptom of fighting back against hopelessness.

A "Conflict Cycle" is the desired effect and we're stuck in one at this moment.

Are you suggesting that there are not GOO law enforcement officers caught in the middle as a result of their obligation to protect the GOO citizens caught in the middle? I certainly hope not.

I have no issues with protesting, I have no issues with it getting heated between the protesters and the cops. Where I have a problem is the lawless individuals who feel it is a good and right time to loot and destroy property of people who had nothing to do with the situation other than to open their business in a particular neighborhood.

Wonder what would have happened if the police started shooting at the rock throwers?

lol I keep lurking until I am fed up and feel the need to say something.

I will bite... I say things to you because that is "our" common ground, meaning when I make a statement, you will understand because you lived there, or when you make a statement I understand because I lived there, its not about, "harder", just trying to get you to understand that I understand. Make sense? We will never agree on everything but I do understand why you feel the way that you do because a lot of things you experienced I also experienced.

I am an expert of my opinion, and guess what I think my opinion is awesome, and usually right, just like everyone else does. In order to make my opinion compelling, I back it up with data, supporting articles and other logical examples to help people understand.

I'm so sick of selfish idiots like these who riot and use a person's death as an excuse to do so. They're a bunch of cowards who should all be locked up. Absolute morons.

CNN painted a very compelling picture on how the protesters turned into rioters in the matter of hours. when in reality less then 1% of the people turned violent

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10,000 Strong Peacefully Protest In Downtown Baltimore, Media Only Reports The Violence & Arrest of Dozens


“A number of protesters were concerned that Baltimore—nicknamed “Charm City”—was being treated unfairly in the media after the trouble on Saturday. Baltimore was not out of control,” said Karen DeCamp, a director at the Greater Homewood Community Corporation, a nonprofit advocacy organization, who was demonstrating outside the funeral home, Sunday. “Baltimore was not burning. A very small number of people made some trouble, and it was completely blown out of proportion.”

10,000 people from across the country peacefully protested in Baltimore in support of the seeking of justice of the death of Freddie Gray. Despite the fact that 100 of the 10,000 acted up and approximately 35 people were arrested after the peaceful protest, (that’s about 1%), much of the mainstream media used attention grabbing words in their headlines like ‘Protest Turns Destructive, (USA Today)’ ‘Scenes of Chaos In Baltimore… (NY Times), Dozens Arrested After Protest Turns Violent (WBAL TV). One website BreitBart.com’s headlines read: 1,000 Black Rioters In Baltimore Smash Police Cars, Attack Motorists In Frenzied Protest.

The truth is you had 10,000 plus people come together in unity in support of the fight for justice for Freddie Gray. While the numbers vary, 100 or so were the ones you saw acting up on the news and the 35 persons who were arrested were the ones you read about. But reporting that won’t bring in the ratings that attract a heavy advertising revenue.

CNN reported: Protesters angry over the death of Freddie Gray got into physical altercations with police Saturday night in downtown Baltimore near the city’s famed baseball stadium.

Some of the hundreds who confronted lines of police officers got into shoving matches with helmeted cops while other demonstrators threw objects. At least five police cars were damaged by people who smashed windows and jumped on them.

Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said she was profoundly disappointed by the violence, adding that 95% of the protesters were respectful but a “small group of agitators intervened.”

Time.com reported: The demonstration was aimed at police, who had Gray in their custody when he suffered injuries that would prove fatal. Baltimore police said 35 people, including four juveniles, were arrested and six officers suffered minor injuries during the latest protest.

As you read most of the nationwide coverage, the various news media and websites do admit that most of the protesters were peaceful as you read further down their stories, despite the attention grabbing headlines that speaks of only the violence, destruction and criminal mischief of a few. Unfortunately there will always be a few agitators in any crowd this size. Some of which are purposely positioned among the peaceful protesters for just that reason.

After what has been going on with black men being killed nationwide without any justice taking place even after grand juries, video evidence, incidences being ruled homicide by medical examiners, No officers go to jail, very few cops lose their job and the Ferguson officer who killed Mike Brown was allowed to retire and protect his pension, there is a sense of frustration in these protests, yes!

What happened in the streets of Ferguson was worst by comparison. But let’s be very clear, the scene the media is describing, the picture being painted with all headlines are something no one, I repeat NO ONE wants to see. What they’re showing you are the actions of 100 or so people, there were 10,000 people there, and despite some of the headlines, and you can see by the pictures below all the protesters were not black and out of control. And despite what a local pastor would have you believe, some of those who were acting up the most were doing so before those (he called outsiders), who came to town in support showed up.

Words have power, they create perceptions that make other actions possible and allow the most outrageous of explanations why they kill black people believable and acceptable by other groups of people. Let’ be clear here, NO ONE wants to truly see Scenes of Chaos: 1,000’s of Frenzied Protesters Rioting In Baltimore, the city would truly still be burning. But they media will show the worst or the worst, you know if it bleeds it leads. It’s true it’s great for ratings which leads to heavy advertising revenue, but it is not good for our community or the race relations nationwide.

Just like the media takes the liberty to show the worst of the worst like they did in Baltimore, I am taking the liberty to show the worst of the worst in their reporting and calling them out. It’s important to not allow the mass media to distort the narrative and take away from the message of this fight for justice.

What they don’t report was there were, “Muslims, Christians, Jews, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Young and Old, Rich and Poor people all united and standing harmoniously against common oppression,” shared one of the organizers Frank ‘Sha’ Francois. The demonstration was sponsored by a wide coalition of social justice groups, including Malik Shabazz of Black Lawyers For Justice (BLFJ), Carl Dix of Stop Mass Incarceration (SMIN) and brother Ted Freedomfighter Sutton of Sutton House, just to name a few who came in support of their brothers and sisters in Baltimore. Support for justice of Freddie Gray, 25, who was arrested one week ago, in West Baltimore. Who died on April 19th, from injuries sustained while he was in police custody.

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Good morning. lets have a good day today.

That article is talking about Saturdays protests. Monday night was much worse than Saturday.

We need more moms like this:

http://abc7.com/news/video-angry-baltimore-mom-beats-son-suspected-of-rioting/684791/

His street cred went down like

Hahahaha!!! The video is blocked at work, but I can see the title of it and imagine how demoralized that kid must be. Hilarious.

bruh she was smacking the crap out of him in front of everybody, ripped his ski mask off. dude's face man....classic.

Fox news put the title "Mom of the Year" on that video.

I'm white and I agree, people wanting to be treated fairly is why we had a the revolutionary war for Christ sake, its amazing to me that the mistreatment of blacks hasn't boiled over sooner and with much more violence then what we have witnessed.

I understand the hopelessness and dis-pare. Although I have never lived a minute of it.

I will say this though and this is factual the CHP is well known for beating people if they get pissed they will pound a motorist and leave them on the side of the road laying in their own blood for no reason other then they were caught speeding and that happens to every color and shade. It's wrong and should have been taken care of years ago. Law enforcement is 99% good and 1% evil.

I guess the part that gets me is some whites think this is OK and fail to realize if it can happen to anyone it can happen to them too, then what?

I think what you have to do to relate is imagine it was you or someone you love, then the pure evil of it hits you. To have that revisited on your community wears on a person and a people and then you have what we have now. We black white purple and pink can't allow this or we all will suffer. Bottom line wrong is wrong and what happened that brought these riots about was wrong you address that and this doesn't happen. And if it continues I would expect more of the same only worse. There must be justice.

But I find it strange that the focus has been allowed to be shifted away from the beating death of a man by police... What that actually tells us is we have criminals wearing badges. I'm far more alarmed by that fact then the riots to be honest.

No joking and in all seriousness, if we had more parents like that, the world would be such a better place in so many different ways. Parenting is declining.

Thanks for posting some data on the issue. I had been wondering about the raw numbers on the issue. Clearly a disparity between white-black.

Perspective: 3 shootings every 100,000 arrests amongst this demographic. Certainly the goal should be zero. Certainly there are racists/murderers that need to be brought to justice. Certainly we need more cameras, more education for police and more thorough investigation of these incidents.

Does 3 out 100,000 justify stereotyping/attacking any group?
Should there also be a call-to-action for criminals that run/assault police?

Not EVERY incident. Just the ones that a black person is shot and killed by a white cop. Report ALL of these police incidents or NONE of them. All this "reporting" does is throw gas on the fire that is racism in this country.

Exactly and more over, it's the same thing when a cop shoots a black kid/man/woman. Just because one went rogue, doesn't mean the all did.

in the FWIW column, there is a story on facebook showing all the arrests Freddy Gray has had.

Like so many things on Facebook, I can't verify it as being fact, but if it is, then this guy deserves a whole lot of punishment.

I get the #blacklivesmatter thing, but so does #whitelivesmatter. So do #humanlifematters

Thugs are thugs.. Because a group of people (any color) decide that one of them was treated harshly, it DOES NOT GIVE the rest of them the right to destroy the property of another.

I hope they catch these rioters and send them to jail.. Every last one of them

Obama quote:

"That is not a protest. That is not a statement. That’s a handful of people taking advantage of the situation for their own purposes and they need to be treated as criminals.”

I agree with him fully on that one!

yea. i'm all for protesting.

But i'm still trying to figure out what the liquor store and walgreens had to do with this.

Walgreens had a sale going on for big bags of M&M's 2 for 5 dollars. that really pissed me off they had to do Walgreens like that.

Hopefully when all is said and done there will be two faces to remember... Freddie Gray and the mom smacking the crap out of her son.

I think the irony is, without police every city in the USA would like like Baltimore does now (or worse).

Agreed.

In addition, I'd like to find out just exactly how this guy died in custody. If it's determined that he was slain by violence, I think the face(s) of his killer(s) deserve(s) to be remembered, too.

No death in custody/no riots.

Folks weren't doing this crap in Baltimore the day before he died...

JC

On my facebook feed, I am seeing video after video of church members marching , people protecting stores and people flat out telling these rioters to stop. The media is not showing hardly any of that.

Actually they weren't doing this stuff the day after he died either, they waited for a funeral to decide looting and destruction of property was a proper course of action.

CNN on TV is showing a lot of that. I watched for an hour and the whole time they showed the peace keepers making a line between the police and the protestors.

Oh Geez, that was hilarious LOL She put it to her kid that's for darn sure.