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So looking at our offense right now and thinking... I'm going to predict several two TE sets.
I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc.
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I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc. I'll bet there are going to be a few DC around the league who feel the same.
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So looking at our offense right now and thinking... I'm going to predict several two TE sets.
I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc. Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More 2 TE sets? We aren't even capable to run a pro offense like most pro offenses run. This is 2015, not 1945.
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The Browns' offense has an identity that is based on the performance of our management, coaching staff and the performance of our offensive players, on the field and off the field.
This is an example of what many think of the Browns offense...
Browns to DeVante Parker’s mom: Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah
Posted by Darin Gantt on May 4, 2015, 6:21 AM EDT
New Dolphins wide receiver DeVante Parker was relieved that the Browns decided to pass on him at No. 12.
Or at least his mother was.
“We didn’t want him going to Cleveland,” Raneca Parker told Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald, after the Dolphins took him with the 14th pick. “They don’t have a team, really, or a quarterback. I knew I didn’t want the Cleveland Browns.
“I know the teams the teams he could go to and the teams he couldn’t go to. We were happy with the Miami Dolphins. He was very ecstatic. We’re happy, we love the weather.”
As much as that might sting, the Browns replied, albeit indirectly, that they didn’t like Parker either.
According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns passed on him because “they felt he wasn’t tough enough and didn’t love the game enough.”
At least DeVante knows his mother loves him and — since he’s a receiver who might need a quarterback some day — has his best interests at heart.
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That is reality..that is what some think of the Browns ..“They don’t have a team, really, or a quarterback."
It is up to management, the coaching staff and especially the players to change this perception.
It is up to management (Haslam and Farmer) to bring in the talent Pettine and his coaching staff need. For the most part, IMO, I believe management is deferring to Pettine's judgement at every position... but QB.
Management got rid of a QB who went 7-6 as our starter in 2014 and are counting on...
...veteran QB,Josh McCown, who was 1-10 as a starter in 2014.
...Manziel, who went 0-2 as a starter last season.
...Thad Lewis, who did not play in 2014
...and Connor Shaw, who was 0-1 as a Browns starter in 2014.
This is the QB talent Halsam and Farmer provided for Pettine's offense in 2015. Pettine added an offensive coordinator and QB coach, who have the job of trying to make our offense productive enough to win.
The Browns management, coaches and players are responsible for rebuilding the Browns offense and forming a new identity..hopefully an identity based on winning.
We shall see...
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So looking at our offense right now and thinking... I'm going to predict several two TE sets.
I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc. Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More 2 TE sets? We aren't even capable to run a pro offense like most pro offenses run. This is 2015, not 1945. Dude, what is wrong with having some two TE sets/formations when you're clearly going to build yourself on the run game? A lot of teams do it, regardless of the year. Not sure the point you was trying to make there but... I don't care if the offense was as high school as can be, if it works, are you really going to sit there and continue to complain about it? Well, knowing you, maybe you would LOL JK Super bro!
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That is reality..that is what some think of the Browns ..“They don’t have a team, really, or a quarterback." Really mac?! You're going to give credence to what somebody's mom says?
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That is reality..that is what some think of the Browns ..“They don’t have a team, really, or a quarterback." Really mac?! You're going to give credence to what somebody's mom says? that was an article
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That is reality..that is what some think of the Browns ..“They don’t have a team, really, or a quarterback." Really mac?! You're going to give credence to what somebody's mom says? She was offended simply because we didn't consider drafting HER...
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Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More 2 TE sets? We aren't even capable to run a pro offense like most pro offenses run.
This is 2015, not 1945.
Actually I would like to welcome you to 2015 football and the Zone Blocking scheme. Spread offense you can run a stretch blocking scheme but its very hard to run a Zone Blocking scheme with 5 usually you need 6.
46 Read Right ZBS - TE right. You have the TE n Tackle double the 4-3 DE RG seals his DT Center and LG double the back side DT and LT takes guides the offside DE a step deep then 2nd level. RB has two doubles...point of attack and the backside cut back run.
Then you have the Power ZBS 46 read where the Center has the seal angle on the backside DT and the LG pulls leading into the 4-6 holes pending on the double of the DE.
With a 46 stretch - no TE or the TE in the slot - he can make a cut back block to seal as we spread the D out. But that would be up to the pass catcher.
Dray can catch don't know about the new guys. I think the first of the 2 TE is the FB/Hback and we can go with 3WRs and no TE or have a TE with 2 WR and either run/pass -
With our OL becoming precision and talented add a blocking TE and a FB - remember teams are daring us to pass putting 8 in the box.... Imagine us saying - SCREW you we can run over you....now you got 9 in the box and 2 more Peaking so that play action will be a killer!
Anyway I think that is why we stocked up with exceptional blocking TEs. Not archaic...and in many of our good flow offense especially with Mack there we had some good use of the blocking TE (Cameron btw was utilized but Gosh Gosh awful) As long as our TE can run the Seam route and Corner routes when needed that will be useful.
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So looking at our offense right now and thinking... I'm going to predict several two TE sets.
I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc. Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More 2 TE sets? We aren't even capable to run a pro offense like most pro offenses run. This is 2015, not 1945. As much as you were pimping Jalston Fowler, it's funny to see you talking about "2015" football. Schemes are cyclical. As opponents adjust to a more pass happy league, teams will go back to emphasizing the run. We might be on the "cutting edge" for once. I don't care if we run the Wing-T if it works.
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So looking at our offense right now and thinking... I'm going to predict several two TE sets.
I'm not sure what TE we have currently on the roster that will lineup in the traditional fullback spot, as we don't have a fullback. I just wish Flip had some nfl OC experience so I have a legit idea and evidence as to what he likes. Formations, play calling and etc. Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More 2 TE sets? We aren't even capable to run a pro offense like most pro offenses run. This is 2015, not 1945. As much as you were pimping Jalston Fowler, it's funny to see you talking about "2015" football. Schemes are cyclical. As opponents adjust to a more pass happy league, teams will go back to emphasizing the run. We might be on the "cutting edge" for once. I don't care if we run the Wing-T if it works. Who was the top wide receivers in the super bowl? Not a stellar group. The Patriots have a great QB that can can make any offense work. But the Seahawks have an average QB with a great defense and a very good running game. The Browns do not have a Tom Brady type QB so why not build a team in their image with a great defense and running game.
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Russell Wilson is average?
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[font:Book Antiqua][/font] Russell Wilson is average? yeah... he's pretty average
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Russell Wilson is average? 
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Russell Wilson is average? Now this is a good debate question. Rank QBs in the league. Where do you put Wilson near the top, middle, or end? I would slide Wilson near Flaco and Elli Manning. Wilson is a product of his surroundings. That is not terrible. It simply means Wilson thrives with the right pieces. It is why I have hope Manziel works for the Browns.
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Russell Wilson is average? Now this is a good debate question. Rank QBs in the league. Where do you put Wilson near the top, middle, or end? For just the 2015 season: 1. Rodgers 2. Luck 3. Manning 4. Brady 5. Brees 6. Roethlisberger 7. Wilson 8. Rivers 9. Romo 10. Ryan 11. Newton 12. Manning 13. Stafford 14. Flacco 15. Smith 16. Tannehill 17. Cutler 18. Bridgwater 19. Kaepernick 20. Bradford 21. Foles 22. Dalton 23. Carr 24. Palmer 25. Winston 26. Griffin 27. Mariota 28. Cassel 29. Hoyer 30. McCown 31. Smith 32. Bortles I did this in about five minutes, so I can probably be talked out of several of my positions.
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You give Wilson more credit than I. Wilson is untested without Lynch. Again, that isn't a bad thing. I simply don't think Wilson's passing game is in the same company as Romo, Rivers, and Ryan.
I get the argument Seattle's receivers aren't the best. I actually think Cleveland's receivers, as of today, are better. With that said, Wilson hasn't proved he can be that guy.
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I will give you Rivers and maybe Ryan over Wilson but NOT Romo ... Sorry bugs 
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shaw, thad, johnny, and pee wee hermen are better than him.
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Russell Wilson is average? Now this is a good debate question. Rank QBs in the league. Where do you put Wilson near the top, middle, or end? For just the 2015 season: 1. Rodgers 2. Luck 3. Manning 4. Brady 5. Brees 6. Roethlisberger 7. Wilson 8. Rivers 9. Romo 10. Ryan 11. Newton 12. Manning 13. Stafford 14. Flacco 15. Smith 16. Tannehill 17. Cutler 18. Bridgwater 19. Kaepernick 20. Bradford 21. Foles 22. Dalton 23. Carr 24. Palmer 25. Winston 26. Griffin 27. Mariota 28. Cassel 29. Hoyer 30. McCown 31. Smith 32. Bortles I did this in about five minutes, so I can probably be talked out of several of my positions.
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Russell Wilson is average? Now this is a good debate question. Rank QBs in the league. Where do you put Wilson near the top, middle, or end? For just the 2015 season: 1. Rodgers 2. Luck 3. Manning 4. Brady 5. Brees 6. Roethlisberger 7. Wilson 8. Rivers 9. Romo 10. Ryan 11. Newton 12. Manning 13. Stafford 14. Flacco 15. Smith 16. Tannehill 17. Cutler 18. Bridgwater 19. Kaepernick 20. Bradford 21. Foles 22. Dalton 23. Carr 24. Palmer 25. Winston 26. Griffin 27. Mariota 28. Cassel 29. Hoyer 30. McCown 31. Smith 32. Bortles I did this in about five minutes, so I can probably be talked out of several of my positions.
maybe you missed this part: "I did this in about five minutes, so I can probably be talked out of several of my positions."
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FWIW.
Great post, and I like the tech side, Eo. Thanks.
As a general observation, we have a history of drafting players and not using their skills that are strengths. Or calling plays into weaker skills, like Cameron needing a key overwhelming block. Part of this observation is repeatedly calling weak plays which haven't produced well, and using players beyond their demonstrated strengths. Blitzers who don't and go to cover, deep threats who don't get sent, etc.
Part of this is who is taken, part is how they get used, and part is, do their strengths get called into a play? I think that is where big plays and sustained drives come from. two up the middle into a loaded box and third and long seldom results in scoring TDs. This is simplified, but the TE use is still viable IMO, and can work in the NFL.
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In that order? Rated PeeWee higher. 
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Thanks but for the record I didn't really contribute much it must be cfrs not me. OH you mean the earlier post...thanks with NO Buts
superbowldogg...yeah I thought he meant in the rankings that it could be changed if convinced. Cause he put it up there quick...I just thought he should know on the camp starter designated on the Site Depth Chart has Mallet as the starter...we all know just like with McCown it doesn't mean he will be the starter Game #1.
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Russell Wilson is average? Now this is a good debate question. Rank QBs in the league. Where do you put Wilson near the top, middle, or end? For just the 2015 season: 1. Rodgers 2. Luck 3. Manning 4. Brady 5. Brees 6. Roethlisberger 7. Wilson 8. Rivers 9. Romo 10. Ryan 11. Newton 12. Manning 13. Stafford 14. Flacco 15. Smith 16. Tannehill 17. Cutler 18. Bridgwater 19. Kaepernick 20. Bradford 21. Foles 22. Dalton 23. Carr 24. Palmer 25. Winston 26. Griffin 27. Mariota 28. Cassel 29. Hoyer 30. McCown 31. Smith 32. Bortles I did this in about five minutes, so I can probably be talked out of several of my positions.
LOL Some "one" rated McCown as high as 30...
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