DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2015 NFL Season The NFL Draft 2015 Report: Browns have been in touch with Washington about No. 5 overall pick

You might be on to something with Bud Dupree. Randy Gregory and Shane Ray have now put themselves out of the top ten, thus automatically increasing Bud Duprees stock.

I feel like we had a solid chance at landing a pass rusher at either #12 or #19 though.




If we hold onto the #12 and #19 picks it wouldn't shock me one bit to see us trade back. I could see a team such Indianapolis, Green Bay or Carolina want to move up and select a good defensive player. If we get offered a 3rd rounder this year, and a 1st rounder next year to swap and trade back, I'm seriously considering that move.



Million dollar question though.

My guess is they would hoping for either Marcus Mariota, Leonard Williams or Dante Fowler to fall into their laps.

After last year, I'm not sure I believe that Farmer wants to trade up for a wide receiver. It is a pretty deep class and one could be had at #43.

The only player I would trade up for in this draft is Williams. If we trade up for a WR I give up on this FO and will sit back and wait for them to get fired. Seriously, think of how stupid it would be to basically give up Watkins for a 1st this year (a good trade imo), only to trade the pick and your own to draft a guy who wouldn't have went ahead of Sammy last year.........Browns logic...lol.

I wouldn't like a trade up for Mariota (because I don't believe in him fully), but at least I understand the logic behind it. Trading up for Cooper/White just seals the deal that they don't know what their doing......jmho.

That's exactly it. You nailed it. That's why I don't really think Amari Cooper or Kevin White would be the target at #5. I believe the target would be Mariota, Fowler or Williams. It would be REALLY interesting to see who they take if all three are off the boards.

Yep....if anything I want us to trade out of the 1sts for future ones. This draft isn't very good imo, and Pitt touched on something earlier about needing to keep multiple 1sts while waiting for that "Franchise" type of guy, and I agree with that as well. Either trade them both for MM if you think he is "the" guy, or trade 12 for a 2nd a 1st next year. I really hope that is how we proceed.

***Note** I don't want Mariotta, but if the Browns deem he's the guy they want to hitch their collective careers to then again at least there is logic in the move.

They traded up for Gilbert? Oh my gosh!

I don't want Mariotta. I just want the two picks.

Oh my, they got Manziel, and cut after 1 game.

Some decision maker needs to get inebriated, so they can SOBER UP! And Wake up! and come to their senses.

Two picks for Mariotta, Blah
Two picks for Shelton, Oh my goodness freakin bad!

You want a Qb, wait and take Manion
You don't want a Qb, then let McCown, Manziel, or Thaddeus Lewis play the year.

Restore some sanity. Don't make any trades, just pick decent prospects and coach them a chance to succeed.


There's GOLD in them there picks, and you want to chase Snipe at #5. Oh my, don't get big leagued by the big markets again.

No. I very unsuccessfully was trying to support cfrs's notion that you do not trade up for a non-QB. I was using Suh as an example of a dominant DL prospect that was dominant in the pros and didn't impact his team the way a QB would. And per DC's comment, it has nothing to do with putting pieces around a DL. You don't put pieces around a DL. You put pieces around a QB. It would be dumb to move up and give up picks for a DL, IMO.

Look at the non-QB players who teams traded up into the top 7 to get in recent years...

Sammy Watkins
Dion Jordan
Trent Richardson
Morris Claiborn
Julio Jones
Then you also have RGIII and Mark Sanchez

(Weird how many of those we were involved in)...

Those may not be all of them, and some haven't been in the league all that long but it's not a distinguished list when it comes to making teams into winners.

I think we are saying the same thing.

I think when it comes to defenders, the ironic thing here is that for example.. No one was trying to trade up for JJ Watt..

Just heard Dion Jordan will be suspended the full year, too.

I see zero value in trading two first for anyone other than a qb. Especially in this draft, there is no clowney or joe Thomas like prospect at their position worthy of trading two first for. I can live with trading up for mariota because it makes sense.

I'd much rather take Shelton at 12, and if he isn't available, Parker. And at 19, BPA or trade down.

No Joe Thomas is right, BUT CLOWNY what has he done in the NFL except to collect pay checks

That draft class gets worse by the day.

I think everyone is off base here...

I think you are looking at the wrong compensation.

It is being reported that the Titans are looking for #12, #19 and #43 for #2 overall...after that pick (when Mariota goes off the board) the compensation drops DRASTICALLY with each pick..and without a QB to get top compensation.

When talking about Washington, I think you are looking more to a compensation package of like #12 and #43 (possibly a player or low draft pick included)

I think if they make the move to #5 to get their guy, they still have #19 to fill another hole.

NOW, if you don't lose your second 1st round pick, does that move up seem a little more logical?

Last year, the Bills wanted to move up in order to get the player they felt was the consensus best player at his position. They way overpaid, imho, to move from #9 to #4, we made out on that trade. Sometimes you have to do that in order to get the player you know won't be there when you pick.

This year, there are a few players worth giving up #12 and #43 for imho...Dante Fowler, Danny Shelton, Kevin White and Amari Cooper..ANY of those 4 would be worth the #12 and #43 picks. IF you made that trade to move up to the Redskins spot and came away with either Kevin White or Amari Cooper, you win BIG time from that trade last year. Although I still feel Sammy Watkins was the best receiver in last year's draft, both of these receivers are BETTER than Watkins, and Devante Parker may be as well.

So if you look back, the Bills get Sammy Watkins, the Browns would get Justin Gilbert, say Kevin White and a player at #19...even with Gilbert's rough start, the Browns have won that trade.


I don't see any player in the draft where the Redskins can cash in on both of our first round picks for us to move up and take...It just doesn't make sense with all of the players rated so closely together.

Of course, if Mariota doesn't go #2 overall, this could all change. But I believe the ball will be in Manziel's hands in 2015. If he fails yet again, miserably, then you go for a QB in 2016. Neither Mariota or Winston are worth the risk. There are several QBs to look for in college football over the 2015 season that will more than likely become better prospects than either...If I had my druthers, I would take a chance on Mariota though...Winston, wouldn't pick him if he were available at #19...now #43, yeah, now I would take the risk.

The only player worth giving up 43 on your list is Fowler. There are 5 WRs with a 1st round grade this year. You don't give up a high pick to get one that isn't that much higher rated than what you can get at 12 or 19 even. Furthermore, it is at a position where you can find good guys throughout the draft.

The only way this makes any sense is if it is for a top notch defensive guy like Fowler or Williams......or Mariota (although I don't like him it still makes since if they do). The Bills were beyond dumb to trade what they did for a WR, but us giving up less doesn't make us geniuses either. The only position this draft has depth at is WR and it would be utterly idiotic to trade up to obtain one when very good ones will be on the board in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

So whether it is 19 or 43 it is still beyond dumb to trade up for a WR in a draft that is full of quality WRs.....jmho.

not any bust... the only bust

Latest I have heard was that the cost for us to move up to #2 would be #12, #19 and a 4th rounder this year. For whatever that is worth. We all know final compensation comes down to how much a team wants that particular player.

Marriota would be the target. If Marriota isn't selected by Tennessee, he could easily drop to #5 because The Jags have Bortels and the Raiders have Carr. I doubt they go QB. The 5 slot is the key slot for us.


That said, I hope we don't do that. I'd rather stay where we are and select two good players.

I'm not trading #12 and #19 to go to #5 if Marriota is there. #12 and #43 should be enough.