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I would also add that he had a good draft last year, from the 2nd round on. He added legitimate, starting talent to this team, both through the draft, and in UDFA. He rebuilt the ILB, RB and WR corps last year, when the cupboard was bare at all 3 positions when he took over. His 1st rounders struggled last year, but the rest of his draft was darn good.

No, I do not think that this is Farmers last draft.

I do think that he adjusted this year.

The lack of playmakers on this team is a concern.

I don't think it is Farmers last draft either. I am glad he is trying to build a good team for sustainable success instead of becoming enamored with certain players and trading the draft for them.

Meat and Potatoes Gentlemen.

I'm glad we aren't trading the farm to draft a QB. Again. I'm glad we aren't drafting a bunch of WR's hoping one will stick. Again.

Work out those trenches, beef them up. If the defense is ahead of offense then lets make sure we have the best defense int he NFL.

WR's don't matter if Josh McCown and Manziel can't play.

The browns may be boring to watch on offense this year but if this defense steps up we will be in every game. And I'll take winning ugly over losing in fashion.

It all depends on how sold Haslam is on Farmer and Pettine. We have no real quarterback this season and a rookie OC who has never called plays. We aren't playing the NFC South either. So a return to 7 wins is highly unlikely. Will Haslam hold the course if we go 4-12 or 5-11 again? When Johnny goes down after a couple games and McCown is under center for much of the season? That is the question. He bailed out quick on Banner and Lombardi. If we end up last in the division again will he bail or stay the course? I think he will bail. I think he's not patient enough to go through a number of pathetic seasons hoping this crew comes out winning on the other side. But I may be wrong about that. He may well believe completely in Farmer and Pettine and be willing to lose the next two or three seasons hoping they figure it out eventually. Without a quarterback we aren't going to win much. And Farmer hasn't shown any urgency in getting us one. We shall see how sold Haslam is on these guys after this season.....

Which QB was Farmer supposed to get us?

When we go 1-16 for the lack of a QB, WR's, and a mediocre but gassed defense, then you will know it WILL be his (the "texting" GM's)last. Do not forget Pettine is weighing in on these questionable pics and I foresee he will be gone as well. He was the only guy in this PATHETIC organization that I thought had a clue.

I ask again, what QB would you have taken today who would be a starter for you?

We addressed defensive depth to a great degree in this draft, so wouldn't that address your "gassed defense" concerns?

Y....
I was hoping for Bradford, and call me crazy for that. If not that, I was hoping for a MM trade up. None of that was possible, but
We passed on Parker, Max Williams for a 12th rated LB out of the soft Pac-12???
This is after he picked a bench player for the offensive line in round 1. Then picks a 3rd down running back in round 3? The O has ZERO weapons and the 2015 D will be on the field for the majority of the games = Gassed.

No offense but you can't even count for the vitriol dude.

I have no idea why anyone would choose to spend time on a lost cause outside family or friends.

We may lose a lot of games next year, we may not, but I'm looking forward to it nevertheless. Life's a journey, enjoy the sights, not the smells.

I have to disagree with you.

We have a solid WR corps, though I also do wish that we would have gone after a guy who could flip the field. However, we didn't. We still have a solid group though. We added Housler, who I really like a lot at TE. I think that he will give us what Cameron gave us, only without the injuries. I also think that Duke Johnson is going to be a nice weapon for us. Yeah, we did not grab a game breaker WR, but we do have weapons, and added another today.

As you said about the QBs, none of what you wanted was possible, so it is foolish and futile to keep complaining about it. It is like complaining aboput a man not stopping a tornado with his bare hands. You have the right to do so, but it really makes you look kind of foolish in the end.

I would have, as I said, taken a WR in the 1st, and was not crazy about the Erving pick, but I do see why we made that pick. I think that Johnson, however, is more than a 3rd down back. I think that he is a weapon, and is a guy who can be used both in the run game and in the passing game. I think that he will be useful.

I don't think that the D will be on the field all day long. I think that we will run the ball effectively, and that will help the defense, and the defense will be much improved with superior depth. I think that both sides of the equation are improved.

Hey man....don't worry about the details, they just mess up the thought.;)

You call me foolish for wanting the most important position on a football team addressed?? Farmer has given us Joshy and Johnny since last years debacle. Heck, I'd rather have Hoyer that that crew. Did I say that?
Don't tell me I am foolish for wanting Farmer to address this position seriously. He has had 5 months to figure something out and he hasn't. That is not just including this draft either.

For being so much smarter than Farmer, one would think you would know there are 16 games in a season, not 17.

LOL...well he just talked about our new "TE" Malcolm Johnson being a dud because he isn't on the mock site he visits........problem is he is a FB/H-Back...haha.

What do you say when Tampa and Tennessee end up at the top of the draft next year, and Philly stumbles to an 8-8 record with Sanchez after Bradford gets hurt again?

Let's see how some games go before we go all doom and gloom.

I ask one more time ..... what would/could/should he have done?

LOL! I have to admit that is funny. Ummmmmmm how about 1-15?

This would be a good thread to start maybe near the end of the season but can't possibly be addressed now. Yes we still have questions at QB but Winston and Marriotta went 1 and 2 and nothing could have changed that and there were not many options outside of that. If we have a good year Farmer will be with us next year if not he may be gone. Only time will tell.

Trade for one in the NFL OR Draft us a project at least. Is that asking too much? The worst QB in the league (besides Johnny and Hoyer) McCown doesn't count.

Who?

What QBs of consequence changed teams last year? What starter caliber QBs changed teams via trade last year?

Don't start making materially factual points in the midst of this

Is there really a need to go into all the veteran and rookie prospects?
But, here goes...
Houston's Mallett
Tampa Bay's Glennon
Philly's Sanchez...Do I have to go on?
College...
Hundley UCLA
Petty Baylor......etc.....

I'm sorry.

I am so ashamed of myself.

Mallett stayed with Houston, as seemed likely would happen. He said that he intended to re-sign with them; In the end, however, he is also a highly untested player who has accomplished nothing yet in the NFL.

Glennon hasn't been let go by his team. Who knows if they will let him go now that they have drafted Winston, but everything I have read and heard is that they were not trading him.

Sanchez quickly re-signed with Philly. Maybe we could have pried him out of there, but it seems unlikely right about now. He is the QB I would have pursued, even though I hated him coming out of college.

Hundley and Petty are read option QBs who are going to need a ton of work in order to make it to the NFL as anything above 3rd string. We already have Manziel for the coaches to work with, so can they essentially take the tim e to train 2 different QB at the same time? However, we evidently did try to trade up for Petty, but the Jets had a better trade down spot.

I don't see any great options at QB, either in the draft, or in free agency. No matter who we added, there would be gigantic question marks about them.

I think he has done well for second draft. Gotta dress them out. Wish them luck.

That's all I needed to read before passing on his opinions on Farmer.

We have to see how the class pans out. Manziel was a project coming in, so we'll have to wait and see if he can make the transition to the NFL in year 2. Gilbert should have the lights come on his year as well. We know that West and Bitonio were solid grabs from last year. While I have my doubts with Manziel (whom many on here drooled over), if Gilbert performs to his draft grade; we'd have 3 out of the top 4 picks work out from 2014. I'd say Farmer would have done well with that class. Not to mention the UDFA's that he brought in as well at least in Gabriel and Crowell. That was just last year. If he attains the same amount of success with this year's prospects, we should have a great defense and an awesome running game. I remember the Ravens and Seahawks getting rings with that formula.

Bottom line, we have to wait and see what kind of team is fielded. This year is an excellent measuring stick considering the toughness of this year's schedule.

I don't see how this can be his last draft, short of guys like Shelton and Erving being so bad that they can't see the field. You can kind of say that for Gilbert last year... I won't put Johnny on him as I will work under the assumption that the pick probably came from higher up than him. He also did a nice job last year drafting Bitonio and Kirksey, and finding Crowell undrafted.

This team not being able to score is on his hands though. Signing guys like Hartline and Hawkins are nice, but we've now known from the 2nd round of last year's draft on, that we really don't have a #1 receiver. We also don't have a quarterback. I'm willing to put up with the 2015 season being a wash if it means that further on, this team can finally move forward.

I hate saying that because we have given previous people so many passes, but this draft smelled of Ray and Pettine going to Jimmy and basically pleading with him to let them build it this way.

I get the whole winning in the trenches mentality, but the only teams that ever do anything have really good offenses with really good quarterbacks, and usually on the defensive side of the ball, they are getting after the QB with pressure upon pressure.

I really would hate to see how you handle stress in the real world. It's a football team dude. Not your job, marriage or kids.

The posters on here that are screaming the sky is falling before one kid is coached or one down is played just saddens me. Can anyone tell me what superstar WR,TE or RB has a ring BECAUSE of their play on the field?

Oh seattle you say? So where are their SUPERSTAR TE and WR? Or QB for that matter. He's smart but not Manning or Rogers by any means.

BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT MEANS THE TRENCHES.

The old saying that defense wins championships isn't a joke created to make fun of the Cleveland Browns. Its a method tried and true by decades of coaching.

I know, talking sense to these idiots is IMPOSSIBLE to say the least, but it's nice to see that most of the fanbase is on board with continuity.

That's how I feel about it Mac. This was not a Sexy draft but it may be a very solid draft for us, only time will tell. The Talking head on the NFL live coverage loved our draft.

My real feelings are exactly that. While we have had many drafts where we put certain positions as primary, we have never tried to fix the actual foundation of the team in one draft. I personally think that they are doing EXACTLY what is necessary to fix this team. Farmer already made his point last year about our receiver core and how you don't need to have a true #1 until the rest of the team is built. Without the QB in place there is no way to take advantage of a true #1 anyhow.

Like it or not this looks like a true rebuild of the Cleveland Browns...

Starting the year with our SICK new unis

QB
WR
TE

Are part of the foundation as well.

This is not the Woody Hayes era of 3 yeards and a cloud of dust.

You have to be able to pass the ball.

Really liked the way they attacked the draft. You could see from the players they drafted and by Farmer's statement of what they were trying to accomplish.

The players might or might not pan out, but you can see they were organized. When i say that, I mean they weren't drafting all over the place. They wanted to solidify or at least add depth to the defense and the trenches for the higher picks. The looks like they were going bpa with Duke. Grabbed a couple guys for TE/H-back, and finished with defense again (and really liked taking a chance on Ekpre-Olomu)

I really didn't like this draft (in general) overall and really hoped we could pick up a 2016 #1 pick, b/c like was said from sources that many believed there were 10-12 (something like that) top players. Also compared to most years, this year seemed like a lot more players with character issues (i.e. substance abuse, etc) which turned me off from this draft. But with that being said, I'm happy the route/plan they took to adding to this team this year.

Manziel was drafted in the 1st round last year and has only played 7 quarters.

Hartline and Bowe were signed in free agency.

Housler, a healthy version of Cameron, was signed in free agency.

Those needs aren't as dire as many are trying to make them out to be.

Defiantly not his last year in Cleveland ... JMHO

I would hope not, but this whole blowing the staff up every year or couple years for a new staff and personnel is pretty fun........

No it doesn't.

It means you build your team through draft picks (who knew?). You don't sail away picks to acquire players or higher picks. You don't drop boatloads of cash on guys like Mike Wallace and Suh in free agency.

Green Bay built their team through the draft, and they won a Super Bowl without really "winning in the trenches" at all. They were not great on defense, and couldn't run the ball much.

That's always the way to go, but you know how football fans and media are.

It's an event now, so of course you want some kind of resolution 4 months before they all take their first real NFL snap.

This one of the tweets in response to Schefter:

Todd Huber ‏@TheUncleTodd 30m30 minutes ago

@Mr_KevinJones @Browns @AdamSchefter Guess Jimmy was on vacation for this draft and he let Ray and HIS guys do the draft