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Vince Mayle, WR

School: Washington State | Conference: PAC12
College Experience: Senior | Hometown: Natomas, CA
Height/Weight: 6-2 / 224 lbs.

Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Good-sized athlete with light feet and smooth acceleration, turning on the burners downfield as a deep threat. Sharp footwork in the stem of his routes with initial quickness out of his cuts. Springs in his legs to out-leap defenders and highpoint the football.

Tracks well with the hand/eye coordination and ballskills to make hands-catches in stride. Adjusts well outside of the normal strike zone with natural body control. Better than expected after the catch with field vision and the lower body flexibility to redirect his momentum and stress defenses - uses the same qualities to anticipate coverage holes and room to operate pre-throw.


Lost 20 pounds since arriving at Washington State and appeared to be in much better football shape as a senior, embracing the physical aspect of the game. Extremely productive senior season, leading the Pac-12 in catches (106) and receiving yards (1,483) and finishing second in the country in receiving yards per game (123.6).


WEAKNESSES: Doesn't consistently play with power and needs to be more aggressive with his functional body strength. Can be re-routed at times and doesn't properly use his limb strength to work off contact. Top-end speed is more build-up than instant.


Will look to run before securing at times, hearing footsteps and not being a reliable finisher at the catch point - too many footballs that hit his hands soon found the ground (drops and fumbles). Needs to show better sink-and-separate skills in his breaks and is far from a finished product as a route runner. Needs technique work as a blocker. Limited FBS experience with an immature past, struggling with motivation and inconsistent focus - had to be convinced to play football after taking a few years off.



--Dane Brugler



Player Overview
One of eight FBS players to collect triple digit catches in 2014, Mayle is much more than simply a product of Mike Leach's offensive system.

A former basketball player at the JUCO level, he is viewed as a hybrid tight end by some scouts, but showed more natural receiving traits as a senior and although he's not quite as gifted as Louisville's DeVante Parker, Mayle is a prospect in the similar mold. It's clear he's still learning the tricks of the trade and his passion for football needs to be addressed, but Mayle is an easy player to get excited about with his size, athleticism and the upside his talent suggests - projects as a NFL starter in year two.


Growing up thinking basketball was his future, Mayle played one season at Shasta Community College on the hardcourt (2009-10) before taking a year off and switching sports to football, enrolling at Sierra College in 2011 and becoming one of the top JUCO receivers after the 2012 season. He was a three-star JUCO recruit and passed up offers from Kentucky, West Virginia and others to stay on the west coast and enroll at Washington State.


He finished fourth on the Cougars in receiving as a junior in 2013, recording 42 catches for 539 yards and seven scores. Mayle emerged as one of the top Pac-12 receiving threats in 2014 as a senior with a conference-best 106 receptions, 1,483 yards and nine touchdowns, earning Second Team All-Pac 12 honors.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079732/vince-mayle

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Farmer clearly has a new West Coast scout that he trusts implicitly - lots of PAC-12 guys in our draft. Mayle looks like a project, but I feel good that Dane Brugler thinks he has starter potential in his 2nd year. - Dave

Don't know a lot about him but from what I have seen and heard today I will give our FO a thumbs up

Here's his last game of his college career.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/vince-mayle-vs-washington-2014/

I think he had more drops than catches in this one and looked disinterested once the game was out of hand, which is a red flag.

I watch a lot of college football (admittedly not much of PAC-12 or the west coast) but I've never even heard of/seen Mayle play.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but we seem to have drafted more west coast players than anyone else

I hate drops. That's my biggest red flag.

I don't think I've ever seen a WR fix that problem if he had it in college.

+1000

Interesting.

Your definition of a "drop" is apparently different than most others definition.

He looks like Greg Little to me. I liked Greg, but even I had to eventually agree he was never going to make the leap to consistent catcher. Maybe Mayle can. I agree with you, ddubia, but the Ravens took Perriman in the first. At least we waited till the second half of the fourth.

When the ball hits the receiver in the hands and ends up on the ground, it's a drop. I saw several. He heard footsteps and pulled away, failed to protect/secure it in traffic, and straight up had concentration drops.

Let me guess, you didn't watch it

He flat dropped two early, one in traffic which will be at least 50% of NFL situations and then he had a fumble lost. That's 4, I stopped watching then with 2min left on the vid, seen enough

I agree. I have said that for years.

You learn to catch when you are 8 years old. If a guy still has problems at this point, it isn't going to change.

He appears to have had a really bad game in that game. However, he had 106 catches last year, and that doesn't happen accidentally.

He was the no1 WR on a 3-9 team, meaning they played from behind a lot, which leads to more passing and garbage time stats vs vanilla coverages. Not saying he compiled all those stats that way, just to dismiss College stats to begin with

Then that dismisses the drops as well. You cannot say that he piled up good stats because of XYZ, but look at the *stat* he had over here that was bad.

He was their #1 receiver. He had 14 drops (I think you said) as a senior. He probably had 4 or 5 in that one game against Washington. Was that a bad game? Yep. Was it his usual game? Probably not.

Man, these guys in the 4th on are guys where you look at their abilities, and ask if they have something that you might be able to develop and fit into your team. I remember when the Steelers took Antonio Brown. He was a solid receiver, and also rail thin. He was questionable getting off the line. Being an outside NFL receiver seemed to be a pipe dream for him .... yet here he is,m, a Pro Bowl outside receiver.

Mike Wallace was a guy who struggled with catching with his hands, and let too many pases get through to his pads.

Teams take 2 kinds of players when they get to this point in the draft ...... guys they think can fill a specific role, and/or guys they think they can "fix". This draft has been mainly about fit, but this pick may have been also about fix.

I did watch it.

I saw 2 drops. If you add in the fumble after the catch (which you apparently did), I'd have 3 drops.

I don't consider it a drop if the guy catches it and gets a helmet (from a defender) on the ball almost immediatley.

The "drop" in the endzone? Is that a drop? I'll admit, I only watched the vid once - but it appeared to me the ball hit the cross bar.

Anyway - and I'm a guy that is liberal on calling drops "drops" - if I include the fumble - that's 3 drops. (I originally didn't include it, because I consider that a fumble - not a drop - if that makes sense to you)

You ARE aware that he was number 1, right? I just watched the clip again, and number 5 had a drop as well. Were you including that drop against him? (mayle)?

Look, if you like the pick, you see things one way. If you DON'T like the pick, you see things a different way.

Until this thread, I'd never heard of the guy. I watched that single game clip and said what I saw. I don't like him, I don't dislike him. I am as unbiased as a new born baby.

He looks faster than his timed speed on tape. 13 drops needs more context. I do question his ability to catch the ball consistently, but I'd like to look at his drop rate rather than straight drops in a season.

I'm curious to see what the guys we have had on the team do next season.

Same here, didn't know him, but he DID drop more balls than he caught. How is that my fault now?

I'm sorry, I must be missing something. If I have read this thread correctly, he caught 109 passes and dropped 13. How is 13 more than 109?

He's talking about the Washington game tape.

OK, that makes more sense.

Didn't say it was YOUR DAMN fault. Geesh, follow along.

What the hell do you consider a "drop"? Well, you've admitted you consider a fumble a "drop". Here's a clue: a fumble is NOT a dropped pass.

Here's your quote: "He flat dropped two early, one in traffic which will be at least 50% of NFL situations and then he had a fumble lost. That's 4, I stopped watching then with 2min left on the vid, seen enough"

Weird - you consider a fumble a dropped pass?

And, you quit watching with 2 minutes left in the video?

Is that HONESTLY how you break tape down? I don't understand that concept. It's a 5:22 clip - and you don't watch the last 2 minutes of it to declare the guy a bust???? You watch 3:22 of a 5:22 long video - of 1 game......and the guy's a wasted pick?

Read my first post in here again more slowly maybe

I like the pick. With all the postings I sometimes forget were I am....part of getting old my friend. I was simply saying you can't teach old football players to catch.

And I am glad. Receiver is the least impactful position on O except for fullback. Last year we were told our receivers sucked and they ended up playing well. We just added Bowe and Hartline. Gabriel is a emerging talent. Hawkins is teriffic...ok Benji isn't all that great.


How many receivers do you think we need to keep!

In the NFL, that "fumble" is a drop. Never made a football move. I would have liked to see him twist his torso more and shield the ball rather than sit it there for the defender to put his hat on.

Jesus,

1:10
2:25
3:40
4:30
5:00

5 times the ball hits his hands, perfectly between the numbers or head high and he doesn't hold on to it. The fumble is tomato/tomato, but the point was that he seems to let go/drop/not secure (go all semantics on me) of the ball the moment it gets physical. Football is a pretty physical sport, especially in the NFL, you know

I like that he's a number 1 receiver playing special teams. I can see Pet and Farmer bumping him up for coverage value.

Wrong - or else you'd better tell the nfl statisticians that.

Again - you are wrong. Watch the tape again and remember, he's #1. He is not #88 (who had a drop in the clip), and he's NOT #5 (who had a drop in the clip as well.)

I only saw two drops which were balls he should have caught. The one was cleary a fumble, he should have put the ball away better but is wasn't a drop. The rest were pretty well defended sometimes double coverage, and yea the last play clearly hit the cross bar no chance. I think one aspect of this guy being overlooked is his ability to block down field with his big body, I saw at least one nice one but most of these clips are pass plays.If Gregg Little had one redeeming quality it was that he threw good blocks down field, not really comparing this guy to Little just saying.

In the NFL, that "fumble" is a drop. Never made a football move. I would have liked to see him twist his torso more and shield the ball rather than sit it there for the defender to put his hat on. [/quote]

A dropped pass cannot be a fumble. It's incomplete. The play was ruled a fumble. That means it was caught. Can't have it both ways. Plus, on that play, he caught the ball and planted his feet 3 times prior to the fumble. Watch it. The third step is when the defenders helmet came in, on the ball, and knocked it out.

Catch, and fumble.

No way that can be ruled a "dropped pass and a fumble."

"Receiver is the least impactful position on O except for fullback."
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Really?

How do you back that statement up?

Seems like there are plenty of yards, first downs, and touchdowns that are the direct result of receivers catching passes.

I believe that I have heard that it is a passing league.

There must be a reason other teams draft receivers in the first two rounds?

See any Browns receivers:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingTouchdowns

In the nfl, a dropped ball is incomplete. A fumble is a catch and a fumble. Pretty much how it is every where......middle school to nfl.

What's a Vince Mayle??????

Are you really that dense?

1:10 is not a drop - it's a good d play. If you expect everyone to catch that, you're crazy.
2:25 is a fumble. It's a catch, and a fumble. It CANNOT be ruled a dropped pass - which is called "incomplete" AND a fumble. It was a fumble.
3:40 - dropped pass.
4:30 - NOT a dropped pass. Good d.
5:00 - not a drop. Dang ball was a good 2 feet over his head and he got nailed as soon as it got to him.

Honestly - if you don't like the pick, just say so. It's fine. But to all of a sudden change the rules of what a dropped pass is in order to prove your point is kind of.....childish.

Not ONE of what you call dropped passes would be considered dropped passes in the nfl. (asided from the obvious one at 3:40)

Again, you ARE aware that #5 and #88 were in that clip, right?

The time in the video:

1:13 a drop, he should have had it.
3:43 a drop, another he should of had.
2:46 a fumble, he caught the ball the defender made a great play putting his helmet right on the ball, most people would have coughed it up from that hit. It WAS a fumble, the refs signaled a fumble end of story not a drop.
I only saw two drops not saying the guy is a stud or great or anything like that, just being fair about it. If anyone sees more drops please post the time in the video it happened because I'm not seeing them.

Damn you beat me to it on the times.