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I'm pretty sure that this is the same crap crew that called Game 4 against the Celtics. Expect a lot of garbage no-calls and muggings.

Not too bad, so far. Considering it feels like "bad" LeBron showed up. Yeah, he's got a bunch of assists, but he also has a bunch of turnovers and missed shots. Although, I'm sure he feels like he can't be aggressive with this crap crew, because anything less than a rape isn't going to get called.

Irving also looks pretty hurt. He's been sort of a non factor so far.

Kyrie is a cold blooded sniper

I have been thinking the same thing about these refs

Seriously??? LeBron stand up straight after a dunk and THAT'S a technical??? This is the same crew that let Olynyk maim Kevin Love, Crowder to get away with attempted murder, and basically everyone to hack away at shots as much as they like. But that was somehow worth a T?? How is this crew even employed?

Lebron doesn't even care that butler is in front of him. He only waits till the help defender moves from the paint and just blows right past Jimmy.

The Bulls have NO room for error at all.

Neither do we.. James and Irving are playing horrible and thompson on Defense is just ugh...Delly having a nice game

Our best players can't play as bad as they have tonight. Kyrie looks really bad tonight.

Regardless of what happens tonight, somebody needs to tell Kyrie we can't afford to have you get dominated like tonight.

Yeah, both out stars are having bad games. Meanwhile, Rose is starting to hit circus shots with LeBron guarding him.

I think Kyrie might be playing on a bum ankle tonight.

And if Lebron wants to have so much "rest" during the regular season, he can't be pulling this crap in crunch time.

I think he's going for a triple double with turnovers. He's looked bad since the start.

On a side note ... is there a more annoying color guy than Van Gundy?

Lebron has been awful. Same theme as game 1.

Bill Walton was close.

At this point I'm almost hoping for one of our role players to get a shot.

Can't have your best player blowing layups and expect to win.

I <3 JR Smith

Just a God awful game from our 2 best players. They got clearly dominated by Rose and Butler.

Man....doesn't it always go that way for us.

That should just about do it for the 2014-2015 season. Lebron isn't just good enough or consistent enough to carry anymore...not to mention he's a big reason we lost tonight, hero/iso ball constantly, poor shot selection, numerous turnovers. And irving was about worthless tonight too...can't really do much when your two superstars choke. Rose realized we don't have any bigs and he attacked the second half. Thompson is a joke on defense, at the end when butler scored, Thompson wasn't even looking at the basket. So the center you spent 2 first round picks in to provide rim protection doesn't even play in the 4th..Brilliant.

That sucked. Let's hope they play better on Sunday.

They just don't look right since Love went out. I think the Bulls have this series. Just another stake in the heart of Cleveland fans.

Business as usual for Cleveland fans.

That really hurt ..... going from JR swishing that 3 to tie it ..... to giving up a really difficult 3 to let them win the game.

Well, we'll get 'em next game.

I'm really not even mad. I feel like DC after game one. Our superstars played terrible and their superstar played amazing. And it still took a rediculously lucky shot for them to win it. If LeBron has half the game he did on Wednesday, or Kyrie has a pulse, we would of won that handily. I still feel decent going into game 4. If our main guys can play like they are capable, it's a 3 game series with home court advantage again.

Kyrie needs to show up. We can't go from 3 superstars down to 1 and expect to win this series.

Great game, horrible way to end it. Freaking Rose man... dude is sick. Refs let them play for the most part, on both sides of the court. Surprised to have seen that, but they let them be physical.

I think JR knocked off some rust and will be way more effective next game. That three he drained at the end there was clutch. Three seconds was all Rose needed though to negate it.

Some observations:

--I am kind of tired of that one guy who rips on Thompson all the time. TT was our best player last night. He is a rebounding machine. His defense on Gasol was very, very good. It's tough when perimeter defenders don't slow down the dribbler. I just don't get how people are knocking Thompson. If we didn't have him, this game would not have been close.

--I can live w/LeBron having an off night shooting the ball, but I despise when he gets careless w/the ball.

--Kyrie really did struggle. Maybe he was injured? I don't know, but he got abused and we need him to play much better to have a chance.

--I think I figured out why I was uneasy after last game. We hit all kinds of long shots and tough shots. I was wondering what would happen when we were not so hot. It happened last night. That means we will be in dog fights.

--Someone mentioned not having Love. I agree. His absence really hurts in regards to stretching the floor and ball movement. Plus, he can rebound and give you some points in the paint.

--Delagaddo or whatever his name is had a nice game.

--I agree w/Excel that the refs were really letting them bang.

--I like Blatt, but I think Perkins should play for short stretches of time. I would use him to occasionally spell Mosgove and have him be real physical w/Chicago's bigs and even commit hard fouls on the Bulls' penetrators. I would not worry about him and foul trouble. Besides, he proved he can defend and rebound. Not big minutes, but 2 to 3 short stretches in the first three quarters.

--Jones was not on fire last night, but at least he made a few. He does seem like a defensive liability in this series.

--Game 4 should be another tough game. I think we can pull that one out.

jc

After the game, the talking heads said Kyrie has been playing injured since game 2 of the Celtics. Not to be doom and gloom, but I don't think this bodes well.

Got a chance to type a bit more ... here's my thoughts as well:

- I don't get the doom and gloom. I think most people were hoping for a split in Chicago. We got horrible showings from both Lebron and Kyrie last night and it still took a heroic/lucky shot from Rose for them to win the game. If we can get any sort of Game-2-Lebron back, we should be fine. We'll take the split and suddenly it's rainbows and sunshine again.

- I actually think Kyrie was legitimately hurt last night. He tweaked his ankle early in the first and was never the same. You take away a slashing guards cutting ability and now he's nothing more than a jump shooter ... and he wasn't really hitting those either. I was almost thinking Delly might of been a better option at the end of the game. He was at least hitting his catch-and-shoots and was able to stay in front of his man a little better than Irving could.

- Delly had a great game last night. Even the announcers were talking him up.

- TT is great at rebounding. His nickname should be the "Canadian Worm". Outside of that though, his game is really shaky. He's an "okay" defender, which has been an improvement over his bad defense from before. His offense is really where he hurts us. In the first quarter last night, he took some really ugly shots which sort of showed why he can't start for us. We can't really space the floor when he's out there, but his offensive rebounding has really kept us in games as well.

- I agree we should play Perkins a bit more. If nothing but to just rough Gasol and Noah up a bit. I don't think he needs any more than 8-10 minutes a game, but just enough to get a little physical.

- When Noah is out there, we can play Jones a bit more. His defense is bad, but all he has to do is stay in front of Noah and his bad defense is a wash against Noah's bad offense. Then at least we can space the floor with him on the offensive side.

- And yes, that ref crew was gawd-awful. Usually, I try not to blame the refs in any sport as much as I possibly can, but they let both sides get away with several muggings. I think they were part of the reason Lebron refused to be overly aggressive. He knew he wasn't going to get a call if he barreled inside and got hammered.

- Lebron was pretty bad from the get-go. You can usually tell within 5 minutes if we're getting good Lebron or bad Lebron for the night. I'm happy that he knew his shot was off a bit, and deferred quite a bit with those assists. But there's got to be something he can do about all those turnovers. We just can't have THAT many.

- Finally, Van Gundy is nauseating as a commentator. I almost had to watch the game on mute.

He played really well in game 1, so I think it's just a matter of how it feels. Hopefully it feels well tomorrow.

Last night sucked, but if we can win tomorrow, we still come home in control of the series. I'll take a best of 3 with 2 at home all day.

Sucked that Lebron missed that layup in the final minute. It would have set us up so well. He did the right thing barreling to the rim. Just a tough break. It was great to see JR hit some huge shots.

I have no doubt that if we bring the same intensity and just a little bit better execution tomorrow, we'll win the game. They had the right mindset, things just didn't fall their way.

The folks in Vegas have Cleveland a 1.5 favorite tomorrow.

Should the Clippers bench Chris Paul and just play Austin Rivers all 48 minutes?

just gotta win one in Chicago.... I think we win on Sun and then take it in 7.

One thing is for sure .. if the Cavaliers do win it all, no one will be able to say that they didn't earn it.

If they get past Chicago they will make the finals

Yup. Obviously if John Wall were healthy, it might be a different story.

So how long have you been a Cleveland fan? Lol j/k. But I'm tired of hearing the "I don't get the gloom and doom." it's starting to sound as cliche as us "gloom and doomers"

Really it's hard to be optimistic at this point, really I do have hope for a win in the next game but won't be surprised to be looking at 3-1 deficit. I'm not counting it there already, but we're Cleveland fans. Reason for optimism is tough to find. So that statement seems a little off the wall. Correct me if I'm wrong.

What doom and gloom? Or, did you just click on my name?




The Cavs have LBJ, Kyrie, and Love. They all want a lot of shots. Smith needs his shots. Even Schumpert can score. A guy w/the mindset of TT is exactly what the Cavs do need. Rodman didn't score much in Detroit, but he is exactly what they needed. Too many people don't understand the real importance of guys like Rodman, Rambis, Birdman, and Thompson.




I like listening to him. His quirkiness is amusing and he does know the game.

As for the rest of your post----------I agree w/what you said.