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This will definitely be a fun game to watch. Peen is probably in heaven right now with them getting the nod.

This just prooves we need a playoff! how! dose fu jump 2 spots?! not that I want a rematch, but what is the reasoning? to jump2 spots when mu allmost beat us! OK! ive had a few drinks! and I do hope its a good game! just wanted all your reasons. To Peen---- Good luck and congrats! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

GO! BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the fighting begin.. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Plus I love how he mentions that Tressel didn't vote in the last coaches poll.. Which is a good thing because if you cannot be partial, don't vote <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I mean if he did vote.. if he voted for Florida, people will say that he's voting to for an easier win.. If he voted for Michigan, he'd be lambasted for voting that way for a rival or they will just say he voted that way to make it not look like he wanted to play Florida.. But we'll see how the game goes <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Florida's fine, but how is Michigan left out?
Wojciechowski
By Gene Wojciechowski
ESPN.com
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If you're Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, how do you explain to your players that they won't be in the BCS Championship Game? How do you tell the second-best team in the country to get pumped about playing USC in the Runner-Up Bowl? How do you resist the urge of wishing Nutcracker drills on every person who jumped one-loss Florida ahead of the one-loss Wolverines in the final polls?

Lloyd Carr
Matthew Emmons-US PRESSWIRE
Lloyd Carr and Michigan lost to No. 1 by three points...and aren't title-game worthy.

There is no polite way of saying it: Michigan got jobbed. Sunday's rankings are Exhibits A-Z why the BCS means well, but simply doesn't work -- and never will.

Carr had to do what Auburn's Tommy Tuberville did two seasons ago. Tuberville's team finished the regular season 12-0, but was left out of the Tostitos BCS Championship Game in favor of undefeated USC and Oklahoma.

"It's hard," said Tuberville. "It's hard to look them in the eye. Heck, we're still not over it. You never get over it. It's like a question that's never been answered."

Carr is asking those same questions. And he'll get the same shoulder shrugs that Tuberville got.

Let me get this straight: Michigan, which was unbeaten against all teams on its schedule ranked lower than No. 1, isn't going to Glendale, Ariz., for the Jan. 8 national title game because ...

? It didn't win its conference.

No, it didn't. But did you see who did? Team by the name of Ohio State. Maybe you've heard of the Buckeyes? Undefeated. Ranked first in the country. Beat Michigan in Columbus by the grand total of three whole points.

And feel free to show me in the BCS handbook where it says you've got to win your conference to play in the championship game?

? Nobody wants to see a rematch.

Just asking, but how did Ali-Frazier II and III work out? Or that Georgetown-Villanova Final Four?

I know Florida's Urban Meyer doesn't want to see a rematch, but he's not exactly an impartial observer, is he? And if Meyer were in Carr's Nikes, I guarantee you his objections to a second Ohio State-Michigan game would have disappeared.

A rematch, this time on a neutral field, would have been a game for the ages. And if you threatened to take away his precious sweater vest if he didn't tell the truth, I bet you Buckeyes' coach Jim Tressel would rather play Florida than have to face the Wolverines again (Tressel declined to vote in the final coaches' poll).

? Florida played a tougher schedule.

Agreed. But strength of schedule is part of the equation, nothing more. Tuberville's 2004 team had the strongest strength of schedule, but didn't make it.

You want to give the Gators the edge based on scheduling? Fair enough, though you could argue that Florida didn't exactly beat vintage Alabama, Georgia and Florida State teams this year, and Central Florida and Division I-AA Western Carolina were dreadful.

And look at the one loss each suffered by Florida and Michigan on their schedules. You tell me which defeat was more impressive: the Gators' 10-point road loss to an Auburn team that finished the season No. 9 in the BCS standings? Or the Wolverines' three-point road loss to an Ohio State now favored to win the national championship?

"It's hard to look them in the eye. Heck, we're still not over it. You never get over it. It's like a question that's never been answered"
-- Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville
? The BCS system rewarded Florida for finishing its season with wins at FSU and against Arkansas at the SEC championship in Atlanta.

And the BCS penalized Michigan twice for being on the wrong end of the calendar: once when USC moved to No. 2 after beating Notre Dame (even though Michigan beat the Irish worse), and now, when Florida overtook the Wolverines (even though U of M's season ended two weeks ago).

How can you call this a "system" when Florida belongs to a league that plays a conference championship, and Michigan doesn't? How can you call it a quasi-playoff when Michigan drops twice in the standings without losing a game.

? Florida has earned the right to play Ohio State.

Absolutely true. But so has Michigan.

Ask the coaches at Vanderbilt (the Commodores played both Michigan and Florida this season) who is the better team, and the consensus pick -- privately, of course -- is the Wolverines. Florida has more speed and a handful of players to die for, they say, but Michigan is more physical, would control both sides of the line of scrimmage, have wonderful wide receivers, and are led by a senior quarterback who doesn't make many mistakes.

Ask them who would give Ohio State the better game, and you'll get the same answer.

Tuberville voted Ohio State, Florida and then Michigan on his final ballot. "But I watched Michigan this year," he said. "Heck, I think they could beat anybody. But that's the way the system is. It's a screwed-up system."

Michigan never had that chance. It was 11-1 on Nov. 18. It was 11-1 on Dec. 3. But between then and now the Wolverines apparently became the cellulite queens and somehow lost the swimsuit portion of this ridiculous BCS beauty pageant.

Michigan didn't do a thing wrong. And yet Carr was the one who had to console his team Sunday night. He did it, but here's guessing he wasn't Mr. Congeniality.

Well USC lost ... there's one spot. Florida beat Arkansas to win the SEC ... there's your other spot. And I laugh everytime I hear this "argument" from talking heads at ESPN or other media outlets ... "we need a playoff ... but Michigan should rematch OSU." Well didn't we just sort of have a playoff?? Aren't you contradicting yourself by saying that??

OSU beat Michigan to win one of the toughest conferences in college. Florida won the other toughest conference in college. Now the conference winners are meeting each other for the championship. Isn't that how a playoff works for the most part? If New England beats the Colts in the AFC championship game ... you don't pit the Colts back up against New England in the Super Bowl, just because you think the Colts are the second best team in the league.

Everyone's already designated Michigan as the 2nd best team, yet we just don't know. Heck, in this year's World Series everyone handed the Championship to the Detroit Tigers, because they won the American League ... only to lose handily to the Cardinals. I think this will be a good game, and Michigan will have no National Title argument regardless of who wins.

Yeah they did Gene ... they lost to Ohio State. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Like I said before ... in the NFL playoffs this year, if Indy beats San Diego in the AFC championship, the Chargers don't get to go to the SuperBowl ... even if everyone in the media still thinks they are the 2nd best team.

They lost, but not in the playoffs. If Indy beats San Diego in the regular season, they can still face each other in the Championship game.

Michigan's record wasn't good enough to get into the playoffs. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

This is the BOLD assumption that kills me... as if this is a given.... Would Michigan BE undefeated if they would have had to play Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee...? I don't know how anybody can say that they definitely would and that is what it would have taken to claim absolute supremacy to Florida....

Some of these people need to get a grip, the Big 10 was a 3 team conference this year with OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin and then everybody else.... Michigan beat one and lost to the other.... The SEC had 5 teams as good or better than Wisconsin and Florida beat 3 out of the 4 they played....

Now I think you can make an arguement FOR Michigan being in this game... I just don't think you can make the argument that they are the undisputed #2 team in the country.

Just as a minor point of clarification... it's UF, not FU.... <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Again, the equation is as follows:

Toughest schedule in the country + one loss (same as Michigan) +conference champion + Michigan already had their chance in a game that wasn't as close as the score indicated = Florida in the NC game.

WOO HOO! GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Any way you cut it, the system sucks. Had the Gators not made it, I would be upset and mad at the system. I can't say I am upset because of obvious reasons to me, they made the right call, but it is still the BSC.

Until they find a way to at minimum playoff 4 teams in a semi-final if you will, it is a pile of BS.

I understand due to the nature of the game in the time allotted you can't have 30 teams.....but 4 would be a good option. There would be much less argument over the 4th and 5th teams than over the 2nd and 3rd....and in most seasons, the 4 are pretty easy to pick out.

OSU/LSU as one semi......Fla/Mich as the other....then the winners play.....why is that so friggen hard??

It isn't.

Peen u trying to go?

And yeah I like that idea of a semi-final type of playoff, then Michigan still has a chance.

nice post DC. as much as i'd love to beat michigan twice in one year with the second being for the NC, i don't think they deserve to go. michigan fans can complain all they want that they got screwed but all they had to do was beat OSU and it wouldn't be a problem.

Exactly.

And there won't be a "controversy" either regardless of the outcome. If Michigan wins and OSU wins ... then we already know who won OSU/Michigan. If Florida wins and Michigan wins, then Florida beat the team that Michigan couldn't.

Now on the flip side, if it was OSU vs Michigan for the NC, you'd be inviting all kinds of problems. If Michigan won that game by 3 points or less, then who's better, OSU or Michigan? What if Florida won too? You'd have a 3-way tie. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

The problem in that scenario would have been, that Ohio State would have only dropped to 2, and therefore would MAYBE, still have gotten in. When you drop from 2 to 3, then you're out. MAYBE Michigan really is # 2, but without a playoff, they lost their chance to prove otherwise. The voters changed their minds,...this IS America. Again, they should not have been rewarded for losing in what amounts to their conference title game,...Florida won their conference and will get their chance to PROVE Ohio State is NOT # 1, OR they will fail, and PROVE they weren't really # 2. It's a "no right answer" situation. Controversy and negotiation are the spice(s) of life. I envision a "conference champs(s) only rule" from the BCS next year.

It's gonna be a great game.

I hope Michigan crushes USC,....

I got my first harrassing phone call last night from a young cousin in Florida,...."The Gators are coming to Ohio to kick some Buckeye <insert real word for 'tail' here> " I don't think he watched much of the Michigan game, where the Buckeyes scored FORTY-TWO against the Number One Defense in the country. I'm hanging my hat on that.

Maybe all the controversy will be settled finally, if USC ends up beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl. That's going to be a hell of good game, maybe the best of the bowl games in 2007. JMHO

I find this funny too. Everyone is assuming that OSU/Michigan is hands-down, the best two teams in college and the National Championship is going to be a formality.

As an OSU fan, I'm actually quite worried. Has everyone already forgotten about the 2003 NC? You know the one where Miami was an invincible Juggernaut that was going to walk all over OSU and win the Championship, because the "Luckeyes" didn't belong there? Okay, maybe that's too far back ... how about LAST year, where the "Greatest Team of All Time" was stacked up against lowly Texas? .... Okay, how about two months ago, when the hapless Cardinals played the Detroit Tigers in the World Series?

I read you like a book Excl,....

Michigan/OSU was a regular season game, just as Florida/Auburn was, your argument makes no sense. NFL and college are completely different. Your comparing a playoff system to a non playoff system.

It would be a nuetral field. And The BCS champ would be UM, but OSU could still win the AP possibly.

If that were the scenerio.

Let's go Irish show them Tigers what Notre Dame football is all about.

That would be the next "travesty."

Especially if Florida won their bowl game big.

Yes, nothing new for the BCS and college football though.

I would think especially for a Michigan fan, seeing's how you got hosed by Nebraska (that was of course pre-BCS).

While I feel your pain, the upside is, there probably won't be a split title this year,....

yeah that was a joke, we can thank the coaches for that.

No split title this year, thank god.

You know what might even be better would be, in the case of Florida winning the NC, would be to play the winner of the USC-Michigan game, again assuming the "correct" team won,...i.e. Michigan,...???

Now that would serve up a nice dish of playoff "proof,..."

No. I probably would have gone had we played in the Sugar or something like that but due to time constraints I won't do Arizona.

Even with flying...a trip to Az. requires a few extra days and mid Jan. is always a busy time for me.

It's possible I might go to Gainesville and take it in down there.

And then the winner of that can play the winner of the Sugar Bowl. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


I will say Im glad its not USC playing OSU. I think they were extremely overrated. That being said hopefully we prove that on Jan 1st.

I hope we both will,....

My god are they overrated! Them losing to UCLA and Oregon State is like OSU/Mich losing to Minnesota and Purdue.. And if that happened you know people would be saying that the Big Ten champ doesn't even deserve a BCS game but for some reason people overrate USC every freaking year. Michigan will probably win that game by at least 2 touchdowns. I must say, I'm pretty disappointed. A OSU/USC championship game would have probably ended up just like last year's Fiesta Bowl. A dominant Buckeye performance that looked a lot closer in the final score because of mistakes but ultimately: A Win and a national championship.

GO! BUCKS! OH!____IO! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Someone tell me how in the heck Notre Dame deserves a BCS game?
They played two big games(good teams) this year and got it handed to them both times.
Why would anyone expect anything else to happen in the bowl game.

Always overrated

Top 16 and finished ahead of a BCS conference champ (Wake) <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

It only a money thing,...they travel good, they get "extra credit" where none is due,.... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

They're Notre Dame,... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

You know they're 9-2 this year played a decent schedule we have a great core of skill players and one of the best coaches in the ncaa. I guarentee we kill lsu

LSU is stacked....they are much better than many think. They should win handily against ND. LSU was the opponent I wanted the Bucks to play. Their road schedule was brutal this year - and they would give the Bucks the greatest fight.

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Wow, that made my day. Charlie Weiss must have his own kool-aide in South Bend. I'm sorry but the Tigers are going to chew you up and spit you out.

As for the NC game.....what's the early line? I would guess it's going to be around 9-10 as they said oddsmakers would have made Michigan a 6 point favorite against Florida.