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Should spark a discussion...28%, makes me happy. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=politics&id=5280835Bush Approval Measured At All-Time Low Dips To 28-Percent ABCNews By John Hendren May 7 - President Bush's approval rating has dropped to 28 percent in a Newsweek poll released this weekend, the lowest of any president in a generation. Bush's low is now tied with Jimmy Carter during the Iran hostage crisis. Only two modern presidents have fared worse -- Richard Nixon, at 23 percent, and Harry Truman, bogged down in the Korean War, at 22 percent. "When presidents get down into the 20's -- as Harry Truman, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon [did], of course -- what it tells us, of course, is that they have lost their hold on the public's imagination. The public is so at odds with them, they don't have credibility any more. The public does not trust them -- and it's ruinous." Like President Carter, Bush faces domestic and international crises -- in Iraq and on such pocketbook issues as a housing slump and rising gas prices. "This has been the year of horrors for the Bush administration, reeling from an election result and then moving into scandal after scandal," said Norman Ornstein, political analyst at the American Enterprise Institute. "The clear majority of Americans, if they could, would just TiVo through the rest of this administration and move on to the next." Nearly two-thirds of respondents also found Bush "stubborn and unwilling to admit mistakes." v The president has now had less-than-majority favorability numbers for three years. Only President Truman was as low for longer. It has been a steep fall from Bush's peak approval rating of 92 percent after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the highest on record for any president. While other recent polls showed different results, this poll found disaffection with the president may be dragging down Republican presidential hopefuls. "No Republican will win in 2008 on keeping Washington as it is," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on CBS' "Face the Nation" program. "Unless they're prepared to offer that change, I think the country will almost certainly elect a Democrat." [Today, House Republican Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, suggested public support among Republicans for President Bush's Iraq policy could crumble in the fall without clear success. "Over the course of the next three to four months, we'll have some idea how well the plan's working. Early signs are indicating there is clearly some success on a number of fronts," he said on "Fox News Sunday. "By the time we get to September or October, members are going to want to know how well this is working, and if it isn't, what's Plan B."] Copyright © 2007 ABCNews Internet Ventures
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Well, at least now we know what percentage of our population is brain dead. 
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it's a little harsh of you to look at that and call 72% of americans brain dead 
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They were talking about this on Bob and Tom this morning. I don't pay much attention to it. There's things he does that I like, and things I don't like.... just like anybody.
The thing I hate is when all the senators, congress people, and candidates get up and bash him. First of all, it makes THEM look bad, second, I'm sure the president has a little more information about why things happen than the normal person.
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" second, I'm sure the president has a little more information about why things happen than the normal person. "
Thinking like that got us into this Iragi mess. I don't want to hear it I want to SEE it.
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In discussing Bush and his Middle East policy....
One man may call it stupid stubborness while one may call it principled position.
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Will the American people finally stand up and demand a change in political tactics?
Will they demand the representatives of the people, do what the people want, not what they want?
Will politicians finally realize that the people are tired of being treated like brain dead monkeys, while they waste away our tax dollars on fluff, while there are more pressing needs in our society?
Will the administration realize that the future starts now, and failing to properly acknowledge and plan for future generations will only cause a further descent into obscurity?
American was Superman, a superpower, we are beginning to look more like Blankman, a superfool.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I don't love him or hate it. He's a polititian.... I feel only indifference. They don't come to Dayton Ohio and tell me how to do MY job.
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All I'm saying, is there has to be a reason why we're over there.... God knows it's not the reason we're being told!!
It could be something more serious and warranted, or it could be some insane family competition with his father to see who can kill the most soldiers and innocent people.
Who knows.
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Actually we are beginning to look like weak sisters to the really bad guys in the world.
Americans want more than they can afford. Americans want to allow their gov't to educate,medicate,regulate the most important facets of their lives without any prohibitive personal restrictions being placed upon themselves. We don't want to fight the real bad guys out there we would rather assume that the world community can reason with the Terrorists and therefore free our citizens from the horrible effects of War.
Our nation has been sliding into the path of European mediocrity with affording special priveleges to the loudest groups who fail to assimilate in hopes that they will calm their foreign brothers back home. In fact the back home brothers are influencing the nationals more than could be imagined 20 years ago.
9/11 was very bad...I hope the new Prez. in 2009 remembers what occured and plans to fight on...rather than negotiate.
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Hey, I dislike Bush more than the next guy, but publishing articles about approval ratings is stupid in my opinion. Like it pointed out earlier on, Harry Truman polled in at 22 percent, and you've all seen how favorably history now looks at him.
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Another point... where do they take these polls? What type of people do they ask? It's not a very good indication unless they ask every single American. There's difference states and regions that have different beliefs, generally speaking of course.
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9/11 was very bad...I hope the new Prez. in 2009 remembers what occured and plans to fight on...rather than negotiate.
Agreed, but fighting who? Were fighting terrorists of the Iraqi people in Iraqi. Were trying to mitigate a borderline civil war. Afghanistan was necessary in my opinion.
The only way to fight wars like this is not through mass numbers, but through highly trained special ops personnel who can fight like the small, fast moving opponents do. How did our fore-fathers defeat the british? Quick strikes that were highly planned and coordinated. Attack and Disappear essentially. It was considered dirty and unfair by the british back then because we wouldn't face them on an even battlefield, and many now say the same thing about the US vs. the terrorists.
As for Bush's approval ratings? Personally i think its still going lower than what it is now. After all, if things stay stagnant like they are for the next year and half while he remains in office they surely wont go up.
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Will the American people finally stand up and demand a change in political tactics?
Will they demand the representatives of the people, do what the people want, not what they want?
Will politicians finally realize that the people are tired of being treated like brain dead monkeys, while they waste away our tax dollars on fluff, while there are more pressing needs in our society?
Will the administration realize that the future starts now, and failing to properly acknowledge and plan for future generations will only cause a further descent into obscurity?
American was Superman, a superpower, we are beginning to look more like Blankman, a superfool.
When we march armed to the teeth on the Capitol building! Oh, by then they'll have taken our right to bear arms also!
Any good leader doesn't lead to sway the opinion polls. The Generals in Iraq aren"t asking the troops their opinions. (maybe they should) I'm not a huge Bush supporter, but I believe we'd have seen another major attack here if we hadn't struck them. On the other hand a wise man will listen to his council even if it doesn't always agree with him before making decisions.
Wars sucks! I had my little piece of it in the 80's. You go in, do what you need to do and come out! It's ugly, civilians get hurt our boys get killed.
I'm tired of our guys getting blown up at checkpoints and doing things that Iraqi citizens need to stand up and do themselves! Seems some 230 odd years ago our citizens had to sacrifice for their freedom, if they don't want it...deal with what comes down the pike, we're outta here!
I know there are many many good stories over there about what we're doing I hear them from friends still in the service. They believe in what they're doing.
I hear the same thing though, they must stand up to the insurgents themselves and win their country! We can't fight every battle for them!
Back to your post, we can't organize to force cable tv to lower prices. Heck, if 50% would call one day and say, "come get my cable box", they'd be asking what we're willing to pay! If we did'nt buy retail crap at the gas stations
we'd knock the snot out of profits! And don't say we'd hurt the mom and pop stations because around here they're long gone! Buy your bread, coffee etc. from your local grocer.
Why should our government have any fear or respect for us, we have none for each other. We're so divided they must be loving it!
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Will the American people finally stand up and demand a change in political tactics?
Will they demand the representatives of the people, do what the people want, not what they want?
No.
Here's why. We live in a country where only about half the people vote... everybody bitches, 50% vote.. you do the math.
Of the 50% that vote, a fair percentage are single issue voters... oh, he's for the environment? I'll vote for him. oh, he's against abortion? I'll vote for him Who cares what he thinks about everything else.....
Of the remaining percentage that actually DO think about it, a large percentage is going to vote for their party regardless...
At least 4 times in my life I've heard that the American people are fed up and things are going to change and we're going to get more people involved and informed.. it ain't happened yet and it ain't gonna happen...
They treat us like brain dead monkeys because we act like brain dead monkeys... it's sad, but it's the truth.
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Duh-Bush Jr. is and and always will be a huge  ment... A total joke... "How low can he go"... We have yet to witnees the depths "them internets" will sink... Has there been a US president this poor ever??? Sniff... Sniff... You stink george jr... The scary thing is he won 2 terms... What's that say for our country/voters/people...     
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Bush has been a huge letdown to most all of us. The traditionalist voters are sick of his spending and open border crap. The left side hates everything he does because ...he beat Al Gore...and he isn't left of center.
I must admit that I am fearful of what occurs when a new more moderate or leftist Pres. is elected in regards to American security. Ridicule that notion if you will but when the nutty Al Queida #2 man states he wants to kill 2-300,000 Americans I begin to listen intently.
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expect this from an OU student.
sure bush has done some things wrong, he has created some great policies regarding terrorism and domestic enforcement and the creation of the dept of homeland security is one of the greatest things to happen in the last 15 years.
Presidential ratings wax ans wain over time, Lincoln was one of the most unpopular presidents during his time (he even enacted martial law), now he is one of the most popular.
Of course Bush's rating is going to be low, he has done some stupid things, but at the same time, a huge portion of the population are idiots. They read one or two articles in a lib paper or hear something on TV and think, "it must be true". so then they go on and spew this garbage to others further infecting humans. 90 % of people just believe what they read without checking out the facts to see if they are are really right, or if they are slanted for an agenda (which everything is in this country). After reading one or two slanted articles or being influenced by someone with an agenda, they are a subject expert and all of a sudden can hang people out to dry.
I don't care if people like bush or not, or if you like clinton or not, or if you a nut, but i do care when people just base their knowledge of the subject from a talk show host, or a slanted newspaper, or a tv host trying to get the next big story. I wish people would actually take the time to research information instead of making themselves look like idiots when they regurgitate others vomit.
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Should spark a discussion...28%, makes me happy.
I will never get this. You don't like Bush, fine. But why do you want him to fail? Why do you want America to fail? Just to make Bush look bad? It sickens me to no end that there are people, with so much hatred towards Bush, that bad news coming out of Iraq is seen as good news just because it makes Bush look bad.
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Duh-Bush Jr. is and and always will be a huge ment... A total joke...
"How low can he go"... We have yet to witnees the depths "them internets" will sink...
Has there been a US president this poor ever??? Sniff... Sniff... You stink george jr...
The scary thing is he won 2 terms... What's that say for our country/voters/people...
Whats your answer?... Hillary???
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Other than his military stance,what has he done to make you feel he isn't "left of center"?
Did he create a smaller,more effriciant government? Nope!
Did he purposefully make it larger? Yep!
Conservative on spending? Nope!
IMO- He's a combination of what's wrong with BOTH parties wrapped up in one package!
If you get a "true conservative" who will be HONEST about it,Bush is no conservative. If he were? I'd like him a hell of a lot better. But he's a combination of what's wrong with both parties.
JMHO
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I will never get this. You don't like Bush, fine. But why do you want him to fail? Why do you want America to fail?
Want him to fail? Hell,he already has! Why do you think some of us are upset? We've been watching it for over six years. Where have you been?
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Everybody needs a vacation! See,that's why I get upset. People think they have me pegged,but they're wrong. See,there are things I like about both party's. I like conservative fiscal spending. I'm a proponent of smaller government in terms of it being more efficiant at less cost. (something I think we can all agree is achievable) I'm for gun rights and personal freedom.Enforcing our immigration laws to protect American jobs. And don't tell me they "Only do jobs Americans won't do" That's pure BS. They're taking trade jobs from American families while Foreclosure rates are at record highs. I know "people shouldn't buy houses they can't afford" Well guess what? Before an illegal immigrant took their trade jobs,they COULD afford it. And it's all being done with "W's blessing"! So when a GOP is elected,I can say Well,I don't get everything I want no matter who is elected,but at least I'll get this Other than gun rights remaining stable,we've gotten NONE of this! And it has aggrivated me. He's NO CONSERVATIVE! And many of his misques and missteps have really hurt us in many ways. It's been much like a nightmare. The big spending and in some cases UNNECASSARY loss of rights.Loss of American jobs IN America and an economy on the ropes. (Unless of course you play the stcks rather than feed your family on an average American wage.) He's like the worst of both worlds rolled into one! And I just HOPE the GOP runs a REAL copnservative so I can vote for him in 08. JMHO Because God knows,if we ever needed one,that time is now.
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You don't like Bush, fine. But why do you want him to fail? Why do you want America to fail? Just to make Bush look bad? It sickens me to no end that there are people, with so much hatred towards Bush, that bad news coming out of Iraq is seen as good news just because it makes Bush look bad.
You hit it on the head. They don't understand that any of his failings are all of our failings. As for the polls, I take them with a grain of salt anymore. Its no different than a sports team. They win, do well, and everyone suddenly owns a jersey and hat. Politicians and people support the popular and distance themselves from the perceived bad choice.
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I will never get this. You don't like Bush, fine. But why do you want him to fail? Why do you want America to fail?
Want him to fail? Hell,he already has! Why do you think some of us are upset? We've been watching it for over six years. Where have you been?
And the Bush haters wake up with a smile every morning because of it.
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Don't worry, this next election we'll elect a democrat and deal with Terror attacks every 2 years like during the Clinton administration.
After 4 years of that people will be clamoring for new leadership.
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See,that's why I get upset. People think they have me pegged,but they're wrong.
See,there are things I like about both party's. I like conservative fiscal spending. I'm a proponent of smaller government in terms of it being more efficiant at less cost. (something I think we can all agree is achievable)
I'm for gun rights and personal freedom.Enforcing our immigration laws to protect American jobs. And don't tell me they "Only do jobs Americans won't do" That's pure BS. They're taking trade jobs from American families while Foreclosure rates are at record highs. I know "people shouldn't buy houses they can't afford" Well guess what? Before an illegal immigrant took their trade jobs,they COULD afford it. And it's all being done with "W's blessing"!
So when a GOP is elected,I can say Well,I don't get everything I want no matter who is elected,but at least I'll get this
Other than gun rights remaining stable,we've gotten NONE of this! And it has aggrivated me. He's NO CONSERVATIVE!
And many of his misques and missteps have really hurt us in many ways. It's been much like a nightmare. The big spending and in some cases UNNECASSARY loss of rights.Loss of American jobs IN America and an economy on the ropes. (Unless of course you play the stcks rather than feed your family on an average American wage.)
He's like the worst of both worlds rolled into one! And I just HOPE the GOP runs a REAL copnservative so I can vote for him in 08.
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Because God knows,if we ever needed one,that time is now.
All this for a joke? You are back. FYI. I didn't read the thread. I don't need a survey to know Bush isn't well liked. 
I do know what you mean. I have read many post about you that are completely wrong. You're no liberal, just mentally challenged... Or is that me?
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And the Bush haters wake up with a smile every morning because of it.
Well,you don't get it and I don't care..............................but,it hurts us all and I don't like it! You have twisted "reporting his shortcomings" with "enjoying his shortcomings".
The fact is,he's continued hurting this country and the working man. Just like Reagan Did. Just like Clinton did and the trend has continued! The problem is,in some twisted way,you just wish to blame his detractors for his shortcomings.
It's no more than a "bait and switch con game". You blame those who talk of his poor decisions,rather than blame the man responsible for making those poor decisions.What happenned to "taking responsibility for your own actions"? Oh that's right,Bush is exempt from that huh? Since you support him,appearantly no matter WHAT he does,you don't hold hiom to the same standards as you do others. And when they point this out,you blame THEM for it? Brilliant! And somehow think I ENJOY the fact that our nation looks like a bunch of idiots because he is the face of our nation? He is the picture the world sees of America. You think I enjoy that huh?
Well,you're dead wrong. But if it's some way for you to rationalize it,more power to you. But you're only fooling yourself...................................
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"They're taking trade jobs from American families while Foreclosure rates are at record highs. I know "people shouldn't buy houses they can't afford" Well guess what? Before an illegal immigrant took their trade jobs,they COULD afford it. And it's all being done with "W's blessing"! "
and then..."The fact is,he's continued hurting this country and the working man. Just like Reagan Did. Just like Clinton did and the trend has continued! The problem is,in some twisted way,you just wish to blame his detractors for his shortcomings."
Once again ...who is responsible for you losing your job when it is taken by another?
How do you allow that to happen unless the other person is more economical,thorough,timely and skillful. How an educated,articulate and literate American can lose his job to an uneducated Mexican is amazing to me.
The gov't has shown for 30 years that it is not willing to close the border. Few if any Dems support it and only a handful of Reps. really support it...you do the math. It isn't gonna happen so change the way you do business.
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The scary thing is he won 2 terms... What's that say for our country/voters/people...
Not nearly as much as it says about his competition.
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The scary thing is he won 2 terms... What's that say for our country/voters/people...
Not nearly as much as it says about his competition.
Or the circumstances, 9/11 saved his ass.
Don't get me wrong, Kerry was awful, and I'll be burying my face in my hands if Hillary gets the nomination. But Bush was going down the path of destruction before 9/11, it was his cowboy rhetoric about fighting the "evildoers" and the "axis of evil" that and the fear of more attacks that kept people on his side. Plus some people weren't ready for the abortion issue or the gay marriage issue (and I really hope the Dems don't force it again, they should take a more moderate approach on it saying "whatever you do behind closed doors is your own business...leave me alone."
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Once again ...who is responsible for you losing your job when it is taken by another?
How do you allow that to happen unless the other person is more economical,thorough,timely and skillful. How an educated,articulate and literate American can lose his job to an uneducated Mexican is amazing to me.
So you promote businesses being permitted to conduct illegal activities in order to cut costs? Crime is now an acceptible act to run Americans out of trade jobs? WOW! I didn't know people actually promoted criminal activity to shaft the American worker. Simply amazing.
Maybe you are missing my point,or maybe I didn't articulate it enough. When you went to school,did you know people who went to vocational schools? Did you,or do you now know Americans who feel the building profession is a noble trade? I believe that to be the case. I mean,Jesus was a carpenter. So it appears to me it's a fairly noble profession. Or is that your point?Are you saying that unless you have a four year degree,you shouldn't be able to go to work and make enough to raise a family?
Concrete finishers,carpenters,masons and other trades BUILT THIS NATION! They have been for decades,honorable trades that have afforded a decent lifestyle.Do you need to be a rocket scientist? No you don't. But why should people be able to break the law in order to run Americans out of these jobs? But of course,many have no problem with this. Quite sad really. You can't "import" a new skyscraper. You can't "import" a new office building. So what do businesses do? The ILLEGALY "import" workers. It's not only illegal,but immoral.
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The gov't has shown for 30 years that it is not willing to close the border. Few if any Dems support it and only a handful of Reps. really support it...you do the math. It isn't gonna happen so change the way you do business.
But the VAST majority of Americans DON'T support it. We all have a vote. At what juncture do people make a stand?
Oh,it's gonna change. Change our country. Foreclosures are up,people with good jobs are losing them. What do you think the long term effects of this will be? In the long run,America is becoming the rich and the poor,with no true *middle class* workers. Eventually,our economy will come crashing down on all but *a select few* in this country. You'll see what I'm saying to prove true should this trend continue which it appears it will. At my point in life? This issue is far more about the generation behind me,than myself. The problem is,instead of the American people taking a stand and voting people IN office to fix this,people much like yourself say "change the way you do business" because you never think it will happen to you
Well I've got news for you.Many people spouting this stuff need to wake up. You may be next. Many jobs that are technical and in the computer business are being outsourced to India. There are other places,but India is a prime exmple. Nobody is safe. And unless people run their own businesses,they are not exempt.Pretty soon? They'll have to live on FAR less to compete with ILLEGAL businesses.
I don't know your paticular situation,but even those who DO run their own business better be carefull. If you can't adapt to that "catch phrase" known as "a global economy" you may be next no matter what you do for a living. Because the "globe is coming here" and places around the globe are taking more and more *middle class* jobs. These jobs and people have been THE CORE of this nations economy for decades. And these jobs are becoming extinct. But what the hell,when our economy is in shambles from this,don't say nobody warned you.See,that's WHY a lot of people got into the trades.....................................
Because you can't import a new building But CRIMINAL BUSINESS PEOPLE can still use ILLEGAL practices (and get away with it) to *cheat* Americans out of their jobs. Because when you use a crime to cut costs,that's cheating.
Your solution? Accept criminal activity and deal with it? Isn't that noble.........................
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The scary thing is he won 2 terms... What's that say for our country/voters/people...
Not nearly as much as it says about his competition.
It's both sadly.
As far as president goes,I've seen nothing WORTH voting for for quite some time now.
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I made a very simple point. The point being, there are people that hate Bush so much, that they are glad he failed(see orginal quote by Ammo). I never blamed anyone else for his failures. Please quote me where I said this. It sickens me to see that there are people that hate Bush so much that they would be glad that bad stuff happens, just to see Bush fail.
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It sickens me to see that there are people that hate Bush so much that they would be glad that bad stuff happens, just to see Bush fail.
Nobody WANTS to see bad stuff happen....when it happens to Bush, it happens to all of us. I just think at this point, it happens so often you have to giggle about it. Doesn't make them HAPPY.
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Nobody WANTS to see bad stuff happen.... Doesn't make them HAPPY.
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Should spark a discussion... 28%, makes me happy.
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