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Perhaps he meant that he's happy that people think he is a bad president because he believes he is. It doesn't mean he's happy that he's a bad president, he just may be happy that other people agree and are on the same page as him.
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I still think it has more to do with the fact that it just keeps happening over and over and over for years and years now. Maybe not, but I would hate to think another American would take joy in our President making mistakes when it affects all of us.
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"They're taking trade jobs from American families while Foreclosure rates are at record highs. I know "people shouldn't buy houses they can't afford" Well guess what? Before an illegal immigrant took their trade jobs,they COULD afford it. And it's all being done with "W's blessing"! "
and then..."The fact is,he's continued hurting this country and the working man. Just like Reagan Did. Just like Clinton did and the trend has continued! The problem is,in some twisted way,you just wish to blame his detractors for his shortcomings."
Once again ...who is responsible for you losing your job when it is taken by another?
How do you allow that to happen unless the other person is more economical,thorough,timely and skillful. How an educated,articulate and literate American can lose his job to an uneducated Mexican is amazing to me.
The gov't has shown for 30 years that it is not willing to close the border. Few if any Dems support it and only a handful of Reps. really support it...you do the math. It isn't gonna happen so change the way you do business.
Most of America is working what are considered "labor" jobs, not administration. Jobs that anyone can learn on the job with time and little training. Mostly construction, as they work in crews, and move from site to site and do not clock-in, so they are easier to hire under the table and such.
Here in South Florida, the idea of an American roofing crew is non-existant, they are all immigrant, some legal, some not. The guys that used to do that got pushed out, because company_A hires cheap labor, and bids jobs cheap.
Most consumers want the cheapest price, they could care less what the future consequences are. company_B keeps losing out on jobs because he bids them in respect to the respectable wages he pays his loyal guys, and eventually, he has to start laying people off and eventually go out of business or hire the cheap labor.
Sure his workers could offer to take a pay cut, but often we are not talking $2 hr, we are talking 12-15/hr to 6-7/hr. Most could not take that hit, and try to find work elsewhere.
Block laying crews are almost all immigrants now as well, and the stucco crews that used to be mainly African American, Haitian and Jamaican immigrants, are slowly becoming mexican and guatamalen(sp?) immigrants that work cheap.
This is what is happening, these folks aren't coming in and becoming Bank Managers, CEO's at Sony or Microsoft. That's not what we are talking about, they are taking away the jobs that make the foundation of our country.
Many are good people, just trying to make a better life for themselves, and for that I can sympathize, but they should at least make the effort to assimilate into our society. They don't.
Personally, I think INS should be ashamed, I can show you half a dozen locations that the illegal immigrants gather each morning at 6am hoping to get picked up by contractors needing day labor. Meanwhile we have thousands of people on unemployment and welfare, that should be forced to provide a minimum amount of hours doing day labor as part of their handouts.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I would hate to think that too.... but it's happening. I think it's fairly obvious that there is a large contingent out there who want the Bush administration gone, they don't want the republican successors elected, they want the republicans gone, etc... and what is the one thing that could derail that at this point? A string of successes? Really good solid news from Iraq? Lower gas prices? A more sustainable federal budget? No scandals?
I don't think anybody is going to come out and say they want bad things to happen to this country but the absolute LAST thing some people want, is a nice run of good news about President Bush that could take his approval rating back up into the high 30s or 40s... Because that would give the republicans a better platform to run on...... So you can parse that anyway you want, but in the end, yes, there are people out there hoping things do not improve until at least after the next election...
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That's why I don't like the election process the way it is.
I didn't like Bush's administration 2000-2004, and would have been happy to see him replaced, but the Dem's didn't have a string candidate. I would have been perfectly happy with another Republican in there, just not Bush, but the system doesn't allow another Republican to run against the incumbent.
It's a flaw I think.
I don't think we should have parties at all, but if we must then at least run one team from each party and the incumbent.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I feel that it's very much as you've indicated. To me,ANY time a president is elected,I know this will sound odd,but hell,this is a football board so I'll use the analogy...................When a president is elected,I feel similar as I do in regards of a Browns draft pick.  Okay,let me get to my point before you start throwing rocks!  I'll use this years third round pick. It's not the perfect analogy,but it will serve the purpose. You have three basic trains of thought about this draft pick..................... A. He was a first round talent and they investigated him well,so I'm SURE he will be an excelent choice.= SuccessB. Well,he was the best talent on the board but there are a few concerns. But he is a Brown and I'll hope everything works out. I hope everything does,because I'm a Browns fan. I see reason for some optimism.= Cautiously optimisticC. He has too many issues. If he were so good,why did other teams let him drop this far if there weren't any issues? I think we might be in trouble with this guy.= FailureNow the thing about C and B is that they may change. Some people hang onto party lines pretty hard. And it's hard to be objective when having such strong ties to either party. So during an election year,I may feel like C. I'm sure people may not want a player drafted,so they cast aspursions on them for reasons not to be drafted. But once that player becomes a Brown? Elected into office? Many of those that were C's before the draft,now become B's and in a few cases,even from C to A. Now,finaly to the point.............................  As a Browns fan,I try to think positivly about a draft pick even if I'm in the C camp on him during the draft. I take pride in the team and in our fans. So I want to be proud of all of them and want their success here no matter my possible concerns. But over time,we will see the true side of that player through his actions on and off the field. And all of those in the B camp,will move to the C camp according to what they percieve,or they'll move into the A camp over time. But as longer that player is on the team and the longer that politician is in office,the smaller the B camp becomes................................ And that's exactly what we've seen happen to Bush over his time in office.......................... JMHO
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I don't think anybody is going to come out and say they want bad things to happen to this country but the absolute LAST thing some people want, is a nice run of good news about President Bush that could take his approval rating back up into the high 30s or 40s... Because that would give the republicans a better platform to run on...... So you can parse that anyway you want, but in the end, yes, there are people out there hoping things do not improve until at least after the next election...
You know how much I hate agreeing with you!
But this is the most 100% accurate thing I've seen you post for a while so I thought I would give you kudo's for it.
And I think that's very sad. Each election you should weigh the candidates based on their records (the MAIN portion of the bills they voted on,not the stupid add ons to bills they try to manipulate you with during the campaign.)
You have to weigh their qualifications as well as their stand on the overall issues. Because I can see some positives in SOME candidates from both partys.
And I think it's a sad state in America where so many let party bias get in the way of objective reasoning. But it happens all to often. I would love to see all of the things you mentioned above happen between now and the end of his presidency! It would paint a very good light on the American presidency again. We could really use that right now. And that preceeds the Bush administration. Lower gas prices,less scandal and success in Iraq would be the best thing for America and all of us.
To not want that,I think is pretty "UnAmerican",but that's JMHO
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"Personally, I think INS should be ashamed, I can show you half a dozen locations that the illegal immigrants gather each morning at 6am hoping to get picked up by contractors needing day labor. Meanwhile we have thousands of people on unemployment and welfare, that should be forced to provide a minimum amount of hours doing day labor as part of their handouts."
Is this what our country is becoming, a third world country? There is no way that I could be able to drive past one of these places and not bug the hell out of the INS until someone comes out and checks on these illegals.
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There is NOTHING that could change many of our views of this administration.
He is the worst president of my lifetime, and I would have to post for a month of Sundays to name all the reasons why. I started out a democrat and moved more towards republican but most of the time now I vote for the independant, one who doesn't owe anyone in the party his soul for getting him on the ballot.
I would like nice things to happen-like not giving illegals amnesty, addressing health care, start making products in this country or to tariff products that were imported by unfair methods, removing us from WTO, save social security, resume having FDA test imported food products, get out of Iraq as soon as possible to save face, repeal everything to do with lobbyists and NAFTA, and there better not be any kind of NAFTA superhighway, but it seems like everyday we lose a little bit more and I don't know when it will stop.
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Once again ...who is responsible for you losing your job when it is taken by another?
How do you allow that to happen unless the other person is more economical,thorough,timely and skillful. How an educated,articulate and literate American can lose his job to an uneducated Mexican is amazing to me.
It's very simple. Many employers would rather pay an employee seven bucks an hour under the table (and get out of paying health ins. benefits, workmans comp, 401 K, and TAXES) than to pay somebody 15 bucks an hours, health bene's, workmans comp, 401K, unemployment, and taxes.
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So, whats the solution to elections? I think we are all in agreement our choices for elections suck. It's a "whose the lesser of 2 evils" sort of thing. How do we fix it?
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-We need people to vote. I think it was DC who said everyone complains but only half of them vote. Many of those who do vote are single issue voters. What we need are educated people to get to the polls. I tend to believe that people know more about who they vote for on American Idol then they do the politician that they vote for.
-We need better candidates to vote for. I think the problem here is money. Those that have the money win the elections. Those without it, don't stand a chance. How do we fix this? Honestly, I don't know. Aside from saying flat out every candidate gets X amount of money, the only other option is educate the voters. But for that to happen, they have to care first. Despite everything that goes on, I don't think people care enough to fully educate themselves, or even make a radical move and not vote along party lines.
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How do we fix it?
We need people to vote.
We need better candidates to vote for
You answered your own question.
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What we need are educated people to get to the polls.
The educated people are going to the polls, what we need are people is for people to BE educated WHEN they goto the polls.
Alot of folks feel it's their duty to vote, but don't fully understand what they are voting for. It's like voting for their favorite American Idol at the polls, based on the best song and dance and appearance. 
Wonder what the stats would be..
How many people voted in the last Presidential election, versus how many people vote weekly for American Idol. 
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I would put money on it being a landslide victory for American Idol 
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-We need better candidates to vote for. I think the problem here is money. Those that have the money win the elections. Those without it, don't stand a chance. How do we fix this? Honestly, I don't know. Aside from saying flat out every candidate gets X amount of money, the only other option is educate the voters. But for that to happen, they have to care first. Despite everything that goes on, I don't think people care enough to fully educate themselves, or even make a radical move and not vote along party lines.
I think media scrutiny is another big reason a lot of good folks don't want to run for high office, especially President. Would you like the media looking up your butt with a microscope for years? Would you want them contacting your old college buddies to see if you ever did drugs or drove drunk or had a one-nighter? Would you want them contacting your friends, family, co-workers, pastor/priest, neighbors, and everybody else to see how much dirt they can dig up on you? Do you want them going through your taxes and every other document which is public? Then they are going to do this to your wife and then they are going to follow your kids around to see what stupid things they do... I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, I wouldn't want it. Because I've lived what I consider to be a fairly "normal" life with my share of good things and my share of indiscretions but I can tell you that if you took all of my indiscretions and laid them out the way the media does it, I'd end up looking like a totally irresponsibe idiot, as would almost everybody else... So no, I wouldn't want to go through it, I wouldn't want to put my family through it.... I love my country but there isn't enough money in the world to make me want to be President.
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