DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hoyer/McCown Debate and Scheme Fit/Cohesion

Wow! Thanks for sealing it.

yeah I think rish pretty much nailed it, too.

Wait.............we call each other the greatest all the time? Go research and find even one time.

Now, go back and see how guys who post stupid crap like comparing McCown and Hoyer's record was the subject when it clearly was not and see if anyone says...........something like "great post," or "good post."

You guys suck.

Hahaha, I totally agree.

I was thinking earlier there's about 4-5 long-winded posts I wish I could take back.

Ahhh, you've spelled out the recipe for how to take a small bit of information and bake it into a full-blown cake of nonsense and serve it up as the only possible truth.

All you need is a slice of a word or two of fact, give it just a little twist, add a cup of "what if", a pinch of "that would then lead to this", bake it in your mind for a few minutes and out comes a conspiracy cake that tastes good enough to you to be true and run with it.

And for a marvelous topping call everyone else a liar.

Maybe because he has proven to be unreliable and because he sucked on a level that has never been seen before he made BQ look like a HOF QB and those were his good attributes. It amazes me that you guys are ready to commit seasonal suicide for a QB that played so horrific. Not to mention his off the field issues.

I still have hope for the guy but I wouldn't count on him for anything, its akin to attempted franchise suicide IMO to do so.

I see by the tone of your posts Rish you seem upset maybe even a bit jealous dude, I'm sorry..........

Ah dub if you actually read what I wrote and comprehend it I said it was weak. I'm not sure what that means to you or if you understood what I meant when I wrote it. But it is something that I have had a feeling about for quite sometime and it was a series of events over the course of pre season and into the season last year that brought me to that conclusion it wasn't something that I could prove necessarily thus the its weak comment. I am most certainly am not a conspiracy theorist outside of this one fora but with all that has transpired I THINK I was right, can't prove it and didn't present it as a FACT. I completely understand why others might not buy in but I have seen enough to be convinced.

Hopefully that clears it up for you....

I did chastise them. I used BTTB as an example because he had been posting the most that I saw. I have been guilty in the past, but have been trying to be especially careful about when something is fact, and when something is my opinion.

Nice selective quoting and conveniently cutting it short before I got to that part. [non existent shrug smilie]

Hahaha, that was great mac! Top 5 comeback if I ever saw one.



Of course I care about it. But not to the degree that I can't wait for it to play out in real-time.

What I have is an abundance of Hope. I hope no player gets a season-ending injury. I hope they all improve. I hope the coaching improves. I hope we can get through a season with no negative publicity due to stupid actions by anyone connected with the team. I hope they've picked some good rookies, some of whom will contribute this year.

The list goes on and on regarding my hope for the team. But as for boldly making a prediction of a freaking lottery number or the win/loss record in the future for the team, I haven't a clue.

I thought I explained this in my last post. I don't know how to predict the record for a team that is going through so many changes. When I consider the team's changes along with a tougher schedule I don't know where to start. I explained all that earlier.

Experts are more often wrong than right when it comes to predicting records for next year's teams. It's just not that easy.

In all my years on this board I've never offered a number in the Predictions Thread.

The fact that you are so insistent that I give one tells me that you are attempting set me up so you can pounce on my answer in disagreement. I'm ok with that except for the fact that I don't have a number.

But since you are so preoccupied with my giving up a win/loss record for the upcoming season and since most people hope that their prediction will come true then I'll have to ape 'tabber and say 16-0.

So what record are you predicting for 2015? Unlike me you apparently have a number. Unlike me you apparently have a system for how to arrive at that number. So, along with your prediction I'd appreciate you sharing your system so I might be better prepared to answer your question next time.

Peac-Out

Which Hoyer are we talking about here? The Hoyer that got benched late in the season was the worst QB we've had since 1999.

j/c

I wish this thread would get locked. Hoyer does not play for the Browns anymore. Are people aware of that?

As if locking this thread would stop people from discussing the topic. It's the dead part of the off-season, there is nothing to actually talk about.

The following is entirely my opinion. There will be no presentation of facts on my part (GB 5/14/15) :



I'm fine with using facts. Just after you put the facts, you can't say you know something loosely based off them. You can think whatever, but you don't know it.



How is it "mistaken" for me to have an opinion?

Why is it essential for the FO to support Hoyer cheerleader style? It's Farmer's job to give him the pieces around him to succeed and support him in that way, not tell him he's amazing. When an employer gives an employee a "needs improvement" style performance review does the employee choke? I've not seen anything that showed Hoyer knew anything about the texts until Textgate got blown up by the media and everyone knew.

You make it sound like Farmer was texting Hoyer directly. Blame whoever the leak was if you think the texts are the reason Hoyer was playing bad.




Where do you get that the texts called for Hoyer's removal? I've seen no evidence of this. I've seen a lot of supposition. Hoyer did say he'd like to see the texts, but that was after the season. I could care less if Hoyer and Farmer are best friends. Farmer's the guy who puts together the contracts and makes the cuts, he's effectively Hoyer's boss. I don't think Farmer had to tell Hoyer he was playing poorly, I hope Hoyer realized that all on his own.

Again, Farmer didn't text Hoyer. The texts were sent to a select audience, unless you know something that no one else does.




When he was winning, Hoyer got all the support anyone could ask for. When he started playing poorly, he didn't. As people like to point out, this is a results driven league.



I'm fine with your opinion, and you having it. I just wish you'd present it as such.

I did actually read it, did comprehend it and did notice too that you weren't totally committed to it. But using that recipe is how that goofy stuff gets started.

And I disagree with you that, "I am most certainly am not a conspiracy theorist outside of this one fora...", as there are a few of your opinions that are seasoned in the same way. Using less than facts and some speculations to construct an opinion that you seem pretty dang sure is right.

I wonder if Detroit would give us Kellen Moore for our 2016 first round pick.

Exactly, disagree away. I think I was very straight forward with my post you seem to take exception to it because as you say its "how the goofy stuff gets started", yet I clearly stated it was weak, I can't help those that have less brains then a pin, you understand I m sure.

But next time I will dummy it down for you so you won't get confused Otta!

Wait ... what?

Good God mac, can you not tell I was giving you a compliment for your comeback?!

Is it just that you receive so little of them you don't recognize one when it hits you in the face?

Agreed we don't see it the same way.

Doesn't mean I don't have the utmost respect for you and always have and more so after spending time with you and your fine family and getting to know you and them.

Go Pittbulls.

Some people could say and maybe should say the same about you. Calling everyone who disagrees with your little conspiracy theory a liar doesn't help either.

If you actually believe your theory is so weak, maybe you should put the pipe down and step away.

Hmmmm, I've got a player/coach/teacher on one side of me and a name calling conspiratorialist on the other. Pray tell me, what genuine characteristic do I have that in common that categorizes the three of us together?

Legitimate question.

An extreme fixation on the color orange?

Oh thats right Pitt your upset because I never thanked you for putting up that PD post the other day which proved that Hoyer wasn't asking for to much money. Well thanks Buddy I appreciate all you do for me.

Just so the record is straight I said that anyone who says that Hoyer was asking for to much money is telling a lie. I never said (shame on you Pitt) that anyone who disagreed with me was a liar. I guess that makes you a !@#$ doesn't it Pitt?

No need to thank me for correcting your mistakes Pitt I'm starting to get used to it. I guess your the type of poster dub was talking about becoming confused and repeating things that can't be proven....

Thanks to dub for warning me.................

It's your condescending nature that does you such disservice. People would be far more interested in discussing things with you if you didn't act like such as ass.

That was my point.

The fact that you concocted a tail in some veiled attempt to correct my poor behavior doesn't exactly endure you to me old buddy. You understand I'm sure, or do you?

Firstly I didn't think it was all that veiled to begin with. lol

And I understand that my comments won't endear me towards you. That part I'm not really concerned about. I call it the way I see it and give what I get.

Which is why I seem to get along with the vast majority of posters on the board with few exceptions.

Yeah I kind of figured you were more interested in making friends then the truth.

Maybe next week we could all gather around the camp fire and sing girl scout songs...........

I can think of someone else like that.

He's talking about me.

Hey bro, you starting trouble ? As always cant leave youalone to behave...

Congratulations for winning the THE DUMBEST STATEMENT EVER award.

I don't know about dumbest ever. There have been some doozies on here. End of season Hoyer could at least be in the conversation, but we have had a lot of really bad QBs.

Nope, not you or eo.

How is middle school?