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There may be people in a hurry for Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilsonto get his contract finished. According to his agent, none of those people are Russell Wilson. Agent Mark Rodgers, appearing on the “Brock and Salk” show on 710 ESPN today, said there was no pressure to get a done quickly, and that Wilson was content playing out the year on his current deal. “Neither side has any real deadlines,” Rodgers said. “I know the public and the fans and some of the media has put a sense of urgency on this, but there really are no deadlines. “Russell Wilson’s under contract with the Seahawks and he absolutely, if he has to, would certainly be fine playing his fourth year under a four-year contract that he signed coming out, and then moving on from there. I don’t feel any particular crunch on time and any real particular deadlines.” Wilson’s scheduled to make $1.5 million on the final year of his rookie deal, and Rodgers said his client had budgeted as if that’s all he was going to make in 2015. But he described talks with the Seahawks as “positive” and “robust at times.” Rodgers insisted Wilson was not seeking to become the league’s highest-paid player. “I think what he’s looking for is what everybody’s looking for,” Rodgers said. “And that’s a deal that feels fair, that feels reasonable and that at the end of the day makes him feel comfortable with the compensation he’s receiving for the skill and the performance that he’s delivering.” And while that message isn’t coming from Wilson himself, it at least isn’t coming in the form of a subtweet. PFTSo.. anyone think he actually makes it to FA (Franchise Tagged obviously) Seattle's entire model has worked because they found a QB they were able to be cheap on for a few years.. paying him now, you'd see pieces eventually have to leave. Im not THAT big on Wilson, I think he's good.. smart.. not necessarily elite (yet) But I would take a long consideration on giving up the picks to get him and bring him here, assuming we havent found one yet..
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If the Browns still need a QB next season (all signs point to that being the case as of right now) and Russell Wilson is ACTUALLY an option, I certainly could see Haslam/Farmer making a strong push for him. While I share your opinion, I don't think Wilson is great, but he's certainly GOOD and has all the intangibles you look for in a franchise quarterback. Honestly though, I don't think Wilson makes it out of Seattle. You don't let a QB that's taken you to two Superbowls walk only four years into his career....
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You don't let a QB that's taken you to two Superbowls walk only four years into his career.... They would recieve 2 First Rounders in return if he gets Franchise Tagged.. Not exactly "letting him walk" but I understand your point..
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Two first rounders for a third round pick!?
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Anything can happen, but I doubt he walks. Plus he can get tagged too, right? I mean he's at least there two more years.
I think they get something done.
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Two first rounders for a third round pick!? By that logic you wouldnt trade a 5th for Tom Brady..
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You don't let a QB that's taken you to two Superbowls walk only four years into his career.... They would recieve 2 First Rounders in return if he gets Franchise Tagged.. Not exactly "letting him walk" but I understand your point.. Ultimately it'd cost us a lot more than that - about $100m (give or take) more than that - 2 first rounders and $100m+, we better be as close to 100% as possible sure he's a franchise guy.
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If the Browns still need a QB next season (all signs point to that being the case as of right now) and Russell Wilson is ACTUALLY an option, I certainly could see Haslam/Farmer making a strong push for him. While I share your opinion, I don't think Wilson is great, but he's certainly GOOD and has all the intangibles you look for in a franchise quarterback. Honestly though, I don't think Wilson makes it out of Seattle. You don't let a QB that's taken you to two Superbowls walk only four years into his career.... If Seattle lets Wilson walk or trade him, something is not right with Russell. It would be Cleveland's luck to sign him to long term big money contract and it falls flat. I agree his is not great "good" is adequate. My gut says Seattle is looking at what happens at other positions. They are going to be in contract hell here soon. Wilson stated he is open to any type of contract. As long as Wilson and Seattle are communicating I see this as no big deal.
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I would rather trade 2 1sts and pay Wilson 100 million over 5-6 years..
Than of traded for Mariota (cheap contract, who knows how many picks) or Bradford (expensive, could of left, at least 1 first rounder)
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This front office made it clear, the Browns are set at the qb position..McCown was acquired to be thr Browns starter.
Farmer made a point of telling everyone what a great job the front did to sign such a highly talented free agent qb such as McCnown...it appears that some do not believe what F armed is attempting to feed Browns fans?.
Going after another qb would send the wrong message to Manziel ...no way Haslam would permit a qb move that would upset their 2013 first round qb.
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Seattle better hope they get a deal done because the league is very short on quality QB's right now. A proven QB like wilson is something that is well worth giving up 2 first round picks for. I would hope the Browns would be one of the teams foaming at the mouth to sign him if Seattle is stupid enough to try it.
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This front office made it clear, the Browns are set at the qb position..McCown was acquired to be thr Browns starter.
Farmer made a point of telling everyone what a great job the front did to sign such a highly talented free agent qb such as McCnown...it appears that some do not believe what F armed is attempting to feed Browns fans?.
Going after another qb would send the wrong message to Manziel ...no way Haslam would permit a qb move that would upset their 2013 first round qb.
Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland. Even without khaki. I knew exactly who posted this without even checking.
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This front office made it clear, the Browns are set at the qb position..McCown was acquired to be thr Browns starter.
Farmer made a point of telling everyone what a great job the front did to sign such a highly talented free agent qb such as McCnown...it appears that some do not believe what F armed is attempting to feed Browns fans?.
Going after another qb would send the wrong message to Manziel ...no way Haslam would permit a qb move that would upset their 2013 first round qb.
Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland. I'm sorry, but except for the last line, did you mean to do the rest in purple? I think that we all know that we will not be able to acquire Wilson. There is no way that Seattle will let him walk anywhere but from his car to their headquarters to sign an extension. As for the rest ...... I really hope that you meant it as sarcasm .... otherwise I worry about your grasp on reality.  The Browns have said that, as of right now, McCown is their starter. If they somehow managed to trade for any upper level starter, that would immediately change. I can only assume that your 1st 3 lines were meant to be sarcasm, because no one could be rational, and still manage to truly believe that.
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Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland. I'm sorry, but except for the last line, did you mean to do the rest in purple?
If we don't get Wilson, that last line is his proof that he called it first and the rest of what he says is then true.
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Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland. I'm sorry, but except for the last line, did you mean to do the rest in purple?
If we don't get Wilson, that last line is his proof that he called it first and the rest of what he says is then true. Umm .... OK.
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Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland. I'm sorry, but except for the last line, did you mean to do the rest in purple?
If we don't get Wilson, that last line is his proof that he called it first and the rest of what he says is then true. We are not going to get Aaron Rodgers.
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I don't think Wilson is great, but he's certainly GOOD I agree his is not great "good" is adequate. Have you guys actually watched Wilson play? If so, how do you walk away with this opinion? The guy is better than great. The Browns would be an instant Super Bowl contender with him on the team. I'd trade our next 5 first round picks for him.
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This front office made it clear, the Browns are set at the qb position..McCown was acquired to be thr Browns starter. Since McCown was acquired you've probably made a 100 posts that stated it was clear the Browns want no competition for Manziel so that he can easily win the starting job.
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This front office made it clear, the Browns are set at the qb position..McCown was acquired to be thr Browns starter.
Farmer made a point of telling everyone what a great job the front did to sign such a highly talented free agent qb such as McCnown...it appears that some do not believe what F armed is attempting to feed Browns fans?.
Going after another qb would send the wrong message to Manziel ...no way Haslam would permit a qb move that would upset their 2013 first round qb.
Browns fans can dream...but there is no way Wilson is coming to Cleveland.
We did think we went and got the best FA QB for us. It just might be true...or it could be wrong.
We continued though to explore every possibility to improve the QB position by looking into trades and possible scenarios.
This BS crap has to stop.
1. Wilson hasn't been out there compared to any other FA QB. So you are saying Sanchez is equal to Wilson, Hoyer?
All I can say there is some childish pouting and incredulous miss truths regarding the FO like they did nothing.
Are we moving forward with the players we got? yes, what do you expect MAC? Sometimes I have to wonder if your Grand kids got ahold of your computer.
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EO and the rest of followers/bandwagon boys...tell me, are the Browns now set at QB OR NOT?
It now looks like McCown is so far ahead of Manziel that Farmer is now saying McCown was not brought in be a tutor, but as a starting qb.
The Browns need help in the front office..someone who knows how to judge QB talent. Farmer and Haslam have had two chances and their record speaks for itself. After two drafts and 4 first round draft picks, the Browns still don't have a franchise qb.
No one can stop Browns Fans from dreaming...but the fact that some of you are hoping and dreaming of Wilson coming to Cleveland supports my claim concerning managements ability to judge QB talent.
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The only thing I recall Farmer saying is that he wants Manziel to compete for the starting job.
The only thing I recall Pettine saying is McCown is penciled in as the starter and he wants to baby Manziel.
The only thing I recall you saying is the Browns purposely rigged the entire QB situation so that Manziel will be the starter.
So are the Browns set at QB? It doesn't appear so.
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After two drafts and 4 first round draft picks, the Browns still don't have a franchise qb. None of the QBs in those passed two drafts have proven to be franchise QBs yet. Just because you want to get one, and just because we need one.. Doesn't mean we can just go get one.. We targeted prospect this offseason that we felt would improve the overall team, because there were no franchise QBs available to us.. Youre just upset because the fact that we looked elsewhere at other QBs means your conspiracy theory about the FO isn't true.
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I don't think Wilson is great, but he's certainly GOOD I agree his is not great "good" is adequate. Have you guys actually watched Wilson play? If so, how do you walk away with this opinion? The guy is better than great. The Browns would be an instant Super Bowl contender with him on the team. I'd trade our next 5 first round picks for him. Take away his guardian angle, Lynch. Then we see the type of QB he is. Wilson is perfect for that system. Why discredit or over value? It was no different in Minnesota when Ponder had AP in the backfield. No, I'm not saying Wilson and Ponder are equal. Take Lynch away from Wilson. I'll bet Wilson doesn't look nearly as good. Another example look at Eli and how well he played with good running backs. Put it this way if you had a choice between Luck and Wilson, you are saying Wilson is your man, correct? I see Wilson in the same light as Eli, Flaco, Romo, and Ryan. I love to have any one of them, but I drop anyone for Luck.
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Rush..Manzeil had trouble beating out anyone for the starting job...face it, there was no way in hell Haslan's star draft pick would win a competition agiainst Hoyer...so Hoyer was not resigned.
The front office jumped all over a 13 yr vet who will do what he is told to do..want JMc to tutor..he will. Now it's looking like Manziel won't be beating out McCown anytime soon, suddenly the coaching staff does a 180..no more competition for the qb position..it's McCown job.
As of today, it doesn't look like Manzel has the talent to beat out McCown either..what does that say about Haslam and Farmer's ability to draft QB talent?
If McCown is told to take a seat so Johnnie can play..he will do so.
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Mac it's pretty funny to hear you say this. Manziel just got out of rehab and you expect him to be starter material?
Rationality has left the building.....
And to add, Wilson is likely a top 5 QB in the NFL. Seattle will never let him go. All we're hearing is sabre rattling before negotiations from both sides. Wilson isn't going anywhere. Wilson knows it and the Seahawks know it.
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mac, if you're going to change your story with whichever way the wind blows, that's fine. We all should change our opinion based on new evidence.
But, if you're going to do that, then you might want to adjust your insistence that whatever you say is the truth and you've been saying it all along.
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Take away his guardian angle, Lynch. Then we see the type of QB he is.
Wilson is perfect for that system. Why discredit or over value? It was no different in Minnesota when Ponder had AP in the backfield. No, I'm not saying Wilson and Ponder are equal. Take Lynch away from Wilson. I'll bet Wilson doesn't look nearly as good. Another example look at Eli and how well he played with good running backs. I'm not sure where you are going with this. Every QB, even the greatest ones, play better with a running game. Put it this way if you had a choice between Luck and Wilson, you are saying Wilson is your man, correct? You changed the argument, then made a huge leap by saying I would take Wilson over Luck. Where did that come from? I see Wilson in the same light as Eli, Flaco, Romo, and Ryan. I love to have any one of them, but I drop anyone for Luck. That's not even what was being discussed.
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mac, if you're going to change your story with whichever way the wind blows, that's fine. We all should change our opinion based on new evidence.
But, if you're going to do that, then you might want to adjust your insistence that whatever you say is the truth and you've been saying it all along.
You just saved me a response to mac. Thanks. And btw mac, the coaching staff never did a 180. Pettine is as far off the Manziel train as can be and has maintained that position since last season ended. You should be careful how you word things.
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Let's play ball. Some of this is a reach. We are still signing and releasing players. I'll save being upset until later when it matters.
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Take away his guardian angle, Lynch. Then we see the type of QB he is.
Wilson is perfect for that system. Why discredit or over value? It was no different in Minnesota when Ponder had AP in the backfield. No, I'm not saying Wilson and Ponder are equal. Take Lynch away from Wilson. I'll bet Wilson doesn't look nearly as good. Another example look at Eli and how well he played with good running backs. I'm not sure where you are going with this. Every QB, even the greatest ones, play better with a running game. Put it this way if you had a choice between Luck and Wilson, you are saying Wilson is your man, correct? You changed the argument, then made a huge leap by saying I would take Wilson over Luck. Where did that come from? I see Wilson in the same light as Eli, Flaco, Romo, and Ryan. I love to have any one of them, but I drop anyone for Luck. That's not even what was being discussed. Have you guys actually watched Wilson play? If so, how do you walk away with this opinion? The guy is better than great.
The Browns would be an instant Super Bowl contender with him on the team. I'd trade our next 5 first round picks for him. Umm, I think you stated it right here. If Wilson is as good as you stated, you would would put him in the same category as Luck. If not, I believe my post is more realistic. No one is stating Wilson sucks.
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Dub...I'm not changing anything...the Browns removed competition for the qb position for the 2015 season...true or not?
The first move Haslam and Farmer made was not resigning Hoyer, because Hoyer made it clear, all he wanted from h&f, was a chance to compete for the starting job. Hoyer even stated that he welcomed competing with Manziel again..not realizing that was the wrong thing to say because any "real" competition was the last thing h&f wanted JM to face.
I'm not wrong about the Browns management doing all they could to remove competition for the starting qb position. When H&F say they want Johnnie to start, McCown will step aside, without a word.
The Browns like to talk about promoting all this "competition" for starting positions...every position but QB !!!!
Our front office has total control of the qb position...it's still Manziel's job when the front office decides it's his...and McCown is being paid to step aside when told.
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so were just wasting a ton of first team reps all summer in order for manziel to come in without those reps, and start......
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All I ever heard from Hoyer was that he wanted to be named the starter, until, he realized it wasn't happening. Then all of a sudden, his tuned changed.
I liked Hoyer, until he proved that he could not maintain the level of play he started with, once the running game was gone.
I was blinded by wins that were team efforts, just lie many. But soon the vision of long balls that guys wide open had to wait for, brought me back to reality. Great guy, but just like McCown, nothing but a career back-up.
I think your FO scenario is a fantasy. I see them giving manzeil another chance, but IMO, he gets cut before the season.
My question, and it is not meant to be snarky, but, who are these franchise guys that they overlooked. Sure they made a mistake in the draft, but I fail to see who was available since then. Who would have been the savior you seen to think they overlooked? Sanchez? Locker? I would really love to know who it was that they overlooked.Because it surely wasn't Hoyer.
I fail to see how many feel Hoyer is a better QB than McCown. To me, it is an even trade, minus Hoyer's insistance that he is a bonafide starter.
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Dub...I'm not changing anything...the Browns removed competition for the qb position for the 2015 season...true or not?
The first move Haslam and Farmer made was not resigning Hoyer, because Hoyer made it clear, all he wanted from h&f, was a chance to compete for the starting job. Hoyer even stated that he welcomed competing with Manziel again..not realizing that was the wrong thing to say because any "real" competition was the last thing h&f wanted JM to face.
I'm not wrong about the Browns management doing all they could to remove competition for the starting qb position. When H&F say they want Johnnie to start, McCown will step aside, without a word.
The Browns like to talk about promoting all this "competition" for starting positions...every position but QB !!!!
Our front office has total control of the qb position...it's still Manziel's job when the front office decides it's his...and McCown is being paid to step aside when told. You better get this memo to Pettine.
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Rush...Last season Pettine openly talked about competition at QB...yes or no?
Pettine even went as far as saying he didn't expect his qbs to exchange Xmas cards, clearly promoting competition at the qb position and making the point that he didn't expect his qbs to be friends.
This season our front office and Pettine like to talk about how much they believe in competition...but no longer competition at QB. Pettine has done a complete 180 concerning the competition at the QB position.
The highly competitive QB was not resigned..in his place, the Browns now have a qb who is a career backup who extended his career by being a passive, non competitive QB willing to do anything he is told to do.
The new guy will step aside for JM when he is told to step aside.
IMO, a new factor has developed..it's now looking like Manziel is going to have a much harder time overtaking the career backup that was brought in by our front office.
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Prior to last year Brian Hoyer had merely been a career backup with a few starts here and there. Sound familiar?
All I've read this past week is that the Browns are looking for a game manager at quarterback, which sort of fits what McCown can do. I see it as a lateral move. The 2014 Browns were a team dependent on the running game and a strong defense, and the 2015 Browns will be no different. McCown will be a lateral move from Hoyer if we can run the football, and get stops/turnovers on defense.
Had Hoyer not broken down at the end of the season, and proved to the front office that he can't carry the torch an entire season, I honestly believe we would have paid him the money he wanted and brought him back.
I think the competition Mike Pettine is preaching is real. If Manziel can convincingly beat out McCown in camp and the preseason, he'll play. If McCown clearly gives the team its best chance to win, he'll be the guy.
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