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I still think homosexuality is nature's way of saying, "Don't breed". Granted, it doesn't always work that way, but it would make sense seeing as nature propagates life.

I'll never understand why a man wants to become a woman, but with that said I'm not going to judge or bash anyone for making the change. It's their body and they're allowed to follow their heart if they want to. Honestly I'm not sure why this is such a big deal to so many people. Bruce Jenner becoming a woman literally affects no one but him (or her now I guess). Those passing hate and judgement need to check themselves and evaluate their own priorities.

Well, I didn't think you thought of me that way, just all the other gay people.

No need to be sorry, it's how you have decided to deal with this. Not everything is logical in this world, I came to terms with that long ago.

I am intrigued by the fact that so many people have come to their own conclusions regarding homosexuality, yet they either refuse to accept what an actual gay person tells them about their experience or they feel like the person is lying. They also come up with stories regarding the craziest gay person they've ever known and act like that is the representation of the entire population. Or they just throw out their interpretation of religion, call you a pervert, and the conversation stops.

I'm also amazed at how many people think it's just about sex. I'm sure because it's that aspect of it that throws many people over the edge. If all you thought about when looking at a heterosexual couple was the image of them having sex, I'd imagine people might have the same aversion. I suppose if their relationship is only based on sex that might be a legitimate thought, but the vast majority of relationships are most certainly not based on sex alone.

I am also amazed at how many people don't understand that from a Christian point of view, it IS about the sex!

Brucey dressing like a lady is not a sin as far as I know.
Gay people enjoying each others company is not a sin either.

It is the practice of Homosexual sex that crosses the line into sin. So we call it a sin.

As free Americans, we can do as we please in the privacy of our own homes but when you drag sin into the streets and try to force a practicing Christian to somehow approve of it, accept it as ok behavior, or to change existing laws to make it part of OUR daily lives, we resist. It is sin.

Christians must stand against all sin. No sin is acceptable to our God. We try to live a life without sin and that is hard. If you can't resist a sin then at least have the guts to admit you are a sinner and continue the fight. Trying to convince us that the sin of homosexual sex is an ok sin and there is something wrong with the rest of us for not agreeing is balony.

I'm amazed you still don't realize a lot of people aren't christian.

Do you stand up for your non-Christian beliefs?

Why do you feel that a Christian should not stand up for his Christian beliefs?

From a(n anachro-)Christian point of view, the sun revolved around the Earth.

yes, i stand up for my beliefs.

here's the difference between me and you, my personal beliefs are just that. PERSONAL.

if christians just kept talking trash, and left it at that, then there wouldn't be a problem, at least as far as i'm concerned

even with gay friends, i think the idea of two dudes kissing disgust me. but guess what? it doesn't impend on my rights, and thus i'm not out here trying to make laws to ban it.

people like you are. thats the difference. i keep my beliefs personal. your religion is your personal relationship with god, not you and the guys across the street.

So we are running a campaign to end abortion. Will you join us or did my PERSONAL belief just step on your toes because it is now a public issue and will change the existing laws YOU currently live under?
Keep it personal and in your own house so I will not have to fight it.

a women's right to have an abortion, once again, does not infringe on my rights, at all. so i won't be joining your campaign.

how bout this:

i join your campaign to end abortion and gay marriage, if you start a campaign to end christian stores selling their products to adulterers, people who have been remarried, thieves, rich people, and fat people, ya know, all the other sins in the bible, FIRST.

deal?

Yes. So, keep it personal and in your own house so I will not have to fight it.

i just read an article yesterday that actually suggests otherwise.

the study was done on fruit flies, where homosexual sex is very common.

they looked at the groups of them that were having more homosexual sex than the other group.

they then found that the group that displayed greater tendency toward homosexual behavior, when successfully mating with a female, produced female offspring who had much greater reproductive health.




summary: the fruit flies who have gay sex, produce female offspring (with another female) who are more fit for reproduction than those fruit flies who didnt have gay sex.







thought that was kind of interesting.

Right back atcha.

Life is taking our beliefs into the world, and we all do it. We want others to agree with our deepest and closest held convictions.

Someone wrote of Christians being behind the times, and brought up the earth revolving around the sun ..... but I wonder if that poster knows who the scientist was who 1st brought forth the heliocentric model of the solar system, and what that person's main occupation was?

Here's a clue .... this scientist was a Catholic priest named Copernicus.

Yep, those wacky Christians .... always living in the dark ages.

That hit a nerve YTown...

Catholic scientists...


Maria Gaetana Agnesi (1718–1799) – Mathematician who wrote on differential and integral calculus
Georgius Agricola (1494–1555) – Father of mineralogy[6]
Albertus Magnus (c.1206–1280) – Patron saint of natural sciences
Mariano Artigas (1938–2006) – Spanish physicist, philosopher and theologian who received the Templeton Foundation Prize in 1995
André-Marie Ampère (1775–1836) – One of the main discoverers of electromagnetism
Leopold Auenbrugger (1722-1809) – First to use percussion as a diagnostic technique in medicine
Adrien Auzout (1622-1691) – Astronomer who contributed to the development of the telescopic micrometer
Amedeo Avogadro (1776–1856) – Noted for contributions to molecular theory and Avogadro's Law
Francisco J. Ayala (1934–present) – Spanish-American biologist and philosopher at the University of California, Irvine,[7][8]
Roger Bacon (c. 1214–1294) – Franciscan friar and early advocate of the scientific method
Stephen M. Barr (1953–present) – Professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Delaware and a member of its Bartol Research Institute
Daniello Bartoli (1608–1685) – Jesuit priest and one of the first to see the equatorial belts of Jupiter
Laura Bassi (1711–1778) – Physicist at the University of Bologna and Chair in experimental physics at the Bologna Institute of Sciences, the first woman to be offered a professorship at a European university
Antoine César Becquerel (1788–1878) – Pioneer in the study of electric and luminescent phenomena
Henri Becquerel (1852–1908) – Awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for his co-discovery of radioactivity
John Desmond Bernal (1901–1971) – British pioneer in X-ray crystallography in molecular biology.[9][10]
Claude Bernard (1813–1878) - Physiologist who helped to apply scientific methodology to medicine
Jacques Philippe Marie Binet (1786–1856) – Mathematician known for Binet's formula and his contributions to number theory
Jean-Baptiste Biot (1774–1862) – Physicist who established the reality of meteorites and studied polarization of light
Bernard Bolzano (1781–1848) – Priest and mathematician who contributed to differentiation, the concept of infinity, and the binomial theorem
Giovanni Alfonso Borelli (1608–1679) – Often referred to as the father of modern biomechanics
Roger Joseph Boscovich (1711–1787) – Jesuit priest and polymath known for his atomic theory and many other scientific contributions
Raoul Bott (1923–2005) – Mathematician known for numerous basic contributions to geometry in its broad sense.[11][12]
Thomas Bradwardine (c.1290–1349) – Archbishop and one of the discoverers of the mean speed theorem
Louis Braille (1809–1852) – Inventor of the Braille reading and writing system
Edouard Branly (1844-1940) – Inventor and physicist known for his involvement in wireless telegraphy and his invention of the Branly coherer
Martin Stanislaus Brennan (1845–1927) – Priest, astronomer and writer
James Britten (1846–1924) – Botanist, member of the Catholic Truth Society and Knight Commander of the Order of St. Gregory the Great.[13]
Hermann Brück (1905-2000) – Astronomer Royal for Scotland from 1957-1975; honored by Pope John Paul II
Albert Brudzewski (c. 1445-c.1497) – First to state that the Moon moves in an ellipse
Jean Buridan (c.1300–after 1358) – French priest who developed the theory of impetus
Alexis Carrel (1873–1944) – Awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for pioneering vascular suturing techniques
John Casey (mathematician) (1820–1891) – Irish geometer known for Casey's theorem
Giovanni Domenico Cassini (1625–1712) – First to observe four of Saturn's moons and the co-discoverer of the Great Red Spot on Jupiter
Augustin-Louis Cauchy (1789–1857) – Mathematician who was an early pioneer in analysis
Bonaventura Cavalieri (1598–1647) – Mathematician known for his work in optics and motion, calculus, and for introducing logarithms to Italy
Andrea Cesalpino (c.1525–1603) – Botanist who also theorized on the circulation of blood
Jean-François Champollion (1790–1832) – Published the first translation of the Rosetta Stone
Guy de Chauliac (c.1300–1368) – The most eminent surgeon of the Middle Ages
Albert Claude (1899–1983) – Awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his contributions to cytology
Christopher Clavius (1538–1612) – Jesuit who was the main architect of the Gregorian calendar
Mateo Realdo Colombo (1516–1559) – Discovered the pulmonary circuit,[14] which paved the way for Harvey's discovery of circulation
Carl Ferdinand Cori (1896–1984) – Shared the 1947 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with his wife for their discovery of the Cori cycle
Gerty Cori (1896–1957) – Biochemist who was the first American woman win a Nobel Prize in science (1947)[15]
Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis (1792–1843) – Formulated laws regarding rotating systems, which later became known as the Corialis effect
Charles-Augustin de Coulomb (1736–1806) – Physicist known for developing Coulomb's law
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473–1543) – First person to formulate a comprehensive heliocentric cosmology
Johann Baptist Cysat (c.1587–1657) – Jesuit priest known for his study of comets
René Descartes (1596–1650) – Father of modern philosophy and analytic geometry
Johann Peter Gustav Lejeune Dirichlet (1805-1859) – Mathematicians who contributed to number theory and was one of the first to give the modern formal definition of a function
Alberto Dou (1915-2009), Spanish Jesuit priest who was president of the Royal Society of Mathematics, member of the Royal Academy of Natural, Physical, and Exact Sciences, and one of the foremost mathematicians of his country.
Pierre Duhem (1861–1916) – Historian of science who made important contributions to hydrodynamics, elasticity, and thermodynamics
Jean-Baptiste Dumas (1800–1884) – Chemist who established new values for the atomic mass of thirty elements
John Eccles (1903–1997) – Awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work on the synapse[16]
Gerhard Ertl (1936– ) – German physicist who won the 2007 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his studies of chemical processes on solid surfaces[17]
Stephan Endlicher (1804–1849) – Botanist who formulated a major system of plant classification
Bartolomeo Eustachi (c.1500–1574) – One of the founders of human anatomy
Hieronymus Fabricius (1537–1619) – Father of embryology
Gabriele Falloppio (1523–1562) – Pioneering Italian anatomist who studied the human ear and reproductive organs
Mary Celine Fasenmyer (1906–1996) – Roman Catholic sister and mathematician, founder of Sister Celine's polynomials
Hervé Faye (1814-1902) – Astronomer whose discovery of the periodic comet 4P/Faye won him the 1844 Lalande Prize and membership in the French Academy of Sciences
Pierre de Fermat (1601–1665) – Number theorist who contributed to the early development of calculus
Enrico Fermi (1901–1954) – Awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for his work in induced radioactivity
Jean Fernel (1497-1558) – Physician who introduced the term physiology
Fibonacci (c.1170–c.1250) – Popularized Hindu-Arabic numerals in Europe and discovered the Fibonacci sequence
Hippolyte Fizeau (1819–1896) – The first person to determine experimentally the velocity of light[18]
Léon Foucault (1819–1868) – Invented the Foucault pendulum to measure the effect of the earth's rotation
Joseph von Fraunhofer (1787–1826) – Discovered Fraunhofer lines in the sun's spectrum
Augustin-Jean Fresnel (1788–1827) – Made significant contributions to the theory of wave optics
Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) – Father of modern science[19]
Luigi Galvani (1737–1798) – Formulated the theory of animal electricity
William Gascoigne (1610-1644) – Developed the first micrometer
Pierre Gassendi (1592–1655) – French astronomer and mathematician who studied the transit of Mercury and named the aurora borealis
Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac (1778–1850) – Chemist known for two laws related to gases
Riccardo Giacconi (1931– ) – Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist who laid the foundations of X-ray astronomy
Camillo Golgi (1843–1926) – Nobel Prize-winning pathologist and physician
Paula González (1932–present) – Roman Catholic sister and professor of biology
Francesco Maria Grimaldi (1618–1663) – Jesuit who discovered the diffraction of light
Robert Grosseteste (c.1175–1253) – Called "the first man to write down a complete set of steps for performing a scientific experiment."[20]
Peter Grünberg (1939– ) – German physicist, and Nobel Prize in Physics laureate.[21]
Johannes Gutenberg (c.1398–1468) – Inventor of the printing press
Jean Baptiste Julien d'Omalius d'Halloy (1783–1875) – One of the pioneers of modern geology[22]
John Harsanyi (1929–2000) – Hungarian-American economist and Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences winner.[23]
René Just Haüy (1743–1822) – Priest and father of crystallography
Eduard Heis (1806–1877) – Astronomer who contributed the first true delineation of the Milky Way
Jan Baptist van Helmont (1579–1644) – Founder of pneumatic chemistry
George de Hevesy (1885–1966) – Hungarian radiochemist and Nobel laureate.[24]
Charles Hermite (1822–1901) – Mathematician who did research on number theory, quadratic forms, elliptic functions, and algebra
John Philip Holland (1840–1914) – Developed the first submarine to be formally commissioned by the U.S. Navy
Antoine Laurent de Jussieu (1748–1836) – The first to propose a natural classification of flowering plants
Mary Kenneth Keller (c.1914–1985) – Sister of Charity and first American woman to earn a PhD in computer science, who helped develop BASIC
Eusebio Kino (1645 - 1711) - Jesuit missionary and cartographer who drew maps based on his explorations first showing that California was not an island as then believed.
Athanasius Kircher (c.1601–1680) – Jesuit scholar who has been called "the last Renaissance man"
Brian Kobilka (1955– ) – American Nobel Prize winning professor who teaches at Stanford University School of Medicine.[25][26]
Nicolas Louis de Lacaille (1713–1762) – French astronomer noted for cataloguing stars, nebulous objects, and constellations
René Laennec (1781–1826) – Physician who invented the stethoscope
Joseph Louis Lagrange (1736–1813) – Mathematician and astronomer known for Lagrangian points and Lagrangian mechanics
Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) – French naturalist, biologist and academic whose theories on evolution preceded those of Darwin
Johann von Lamont (1805-1879) – Astronomer and physicist who studied the magnetism of the Earth and was the first to calculate the mass of Uranus
Karl Landsteiner (1868–1943) – Nobel Prize winner who identified and classified the human blood types
Pierre André Latreille (1762–1833) – Pioneer in entomology
Antoine Lavoisier (1743–1794) – Father of modern chemistry[27]
Jérôme Lejeune (1926–1994) – Pediatrician and geneticist, best known for his discovery of the link of diseases to chromosome abnormalities
Georges Lemaître (1894–1966) – Father of the Big Bang theory[28]
Anthony James Leggett (1938– ) – His pioneering work on superfluidity was recognized by the 2003 Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Marcello Malpighi (1628–1694) – Father of comparative physiology[30]
Étienne-Louis Malus (1775–1812) – Discovered the polarization of light
Anna Morandi Manzolini (1714–1774) – Anatomist and anatomical wax artist who lectured at the University of Bologna
Giovanni Manzolini (1700-1755) – Anatomical wax artist and Professor of anatomy at the University of Bologna
Guglielmo Marconi (1874–1937) – Father of long-distance radio transmission
Edme Mariotte (c.1620–1684) – Priest who independently discovered Boyle's Law
Pierre Louis Maupertuis (1698–1759) – Known for the Maupertuis principle and for being the first president of the Berlin Academy of Science
Craig Mello (1960– ) – American biologist who was awarded the 2006 Nobel Prize, with Andrew Fire, for the discovery of RNA interference.[31]
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) – Father of genetics
Michele Mercati (1541-1593) – One of the first to recognize prehistoric stone tools as man-made
Marin Mersenne (1588–1648) – Father of acoustics and mathematician for whom Mersenne primes are named.
Charles W. Misner (1932–present) – American cosmologist dedicated to the study of general relativity
Kenneth R. Miller (1948–present) – American cell biologist and molecular biologist who teaches at Brown University.[32]
Mario J. Molina (1943–present) - Mexican chemist and one of the precursors to the discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole (1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry).
Peter Joseph Moloney (1891-1989) -Canadian immunologist and pioneering vaccine researcher, who worked out the first large-scale purification of insulin in 1922. (International Gairdner Award 1967) [33]
Gaspard Monge (1746–1818) – Father of descriptive geometry
John J. Montgomery (1858-1911) - American physicist and inventor of gliders and aerodynamics.
Giovanni Battista Morgagni (1682–1771) – Father of modern anatomical pathology[34]
Johannes Peter Müller (1801–1858) – Founder of modern physiology[35]
Joseph Murray (1919–2012) – Nobel Prize in Medicine laureate.[36]
John von Neumann (1903–1957) – Hungarian-born American mathematician and polymath[37] who converted to Catholicism[38]
Jean-Antoine Nollet (1700–1770) – Discovered the phenomenon of osmosis in natural membranes.
William of Ockham (c.1288–c.1348) – Franciscan Friar known for Ockham's Razor
Nicole Oresme (c.1320–1382) – 14th century bishop who theorized the daily rotation of the earth on its axis
Barnaba Oriani (1752–1832) – Known for Oriani's theorem and for his research on Uranus
Abraham Ortelius (1527–1598) – Created the first modern atlas and theorized on continental drift
Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) – French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and philosopher
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) – Father of bacteriology[3][39]
Max Perutz (1914–2002) – Austrian-born British molecular biologist, who shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for Chemistry[40][41][42]
Nicolas-Claude Fabri de Peiresc (1580–1637) – Discovered the Orion Nebula
Georg von Peuerbach (1423–1461) – Called the father of mathematical and observational astronomy in the West[43]
Giuseppe Piazzi (1746–1826) – Theatine priest who discovered the asteroid Ceres and did important work cataloguing stars
Jean Picard (1620–1682) – French priest and father of modern astronomy in France[44]
Vladimir Prelog (1906–1998) – Croatian-Swiss organic chemist, winner of the 1975 Nobel Prize for chemistry.
Jules Henri Poincaré (1854–1912) – French mathematician, theoretical physicist, engineer and philosopher of science
John Polanyi (1929– ) – Canadian chemist who won the 1986 Nobel Prize for his research in chemical kinetics.[45]
Michael Polanyi (1891–1976) – Hungarian polymath who made contributions to physical chemistry, economics, and philosophy.
Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852–1934) – Awarded the Nobel Prize for his contributions to neuroscience
René Antoine Ferchault de Réaumur (1683–1757) – Scientific polymath known especially for his study of insects
Francesco Redi (1626–1697) – His experiments with maggots were a major step in overturning the idea of spontaneous generation
Henri Victor Regnault (1810–1878) – Chemist with two laws governing the specific heat of gases named after him[46]
Giovanni Battista Riccioli (1598–1671) – Jesuit priest and the first person to measure the acceleration due to gravity of falling bodies
Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro (1853-1925) – One of the founders of tensor calculus
Gilles de Roberval (1602-1675) – Mathematician who studied the geometry of infinitesimals and was one of the founders of kinematic geometry
Wilhelm Roentgen (1845–1923) – Discovered X-rays.
Frederick Rossini (1899–1990) – Priestley Medal and Laetare Medal winning chemist.[47]
Theodor Schwann (1810–1882) – Founder of the theory of the cellular structure of animal organisms
Angelo Secchi (1818–1878) – Jesuit priest who developed the first system of stellar classification
Ignaz Semmelweis (1818–1865) – Early pioneer of antiseptic procedures and the discoverer of the cause of puerperal fever
Lazzaro Spallanzani (1729–1799) – Priest and biologist who laid the groundwork for Pasteur's discoveries
Nicolas Steno (1638–1686) – Bishop, and father of stratigraphy
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955), Jesuit priest, theologian and renowned paleontologist.
Francesco Lana de Terzi (1631–1687) – Jesuit priest who has been called the father of aeronautics
Louis Jacques Thénard (1777–1857) – Discovered hydrogen peroxide
Theodoric of Freiberg (c.1250–c.1310) – Gave the first geometrical analysis of the rainbow
Evangelista Torricelli (1608–1647) – Inventor of the barometer
Paolo dal Pozzo Toscanelli (1397–1482) – Italian mathematician, astronomer and cosmographer
Richard Towneley (1629–1707) – Mathematician and astronomer whose work contributed to the formulation of Boyle's Law
Louis René Tulasne (1815–1885) – Biologist with several genera and species of fungi named after him
Louis Nicolas Vauquelin (1763–1829) – Discovered the chemical element beryllium
Pierre Vernier (1580–1637) – Mathematician who invented the Vernier scale
Urbain Le Verrier (1811–1877) – Mathematician who predicted the discovery of Neptune
Andreas Vesalius (1514–1564) – Father of modern human anatomy
François Viète (1540–1603) – Father of Modern Algebra[48]
Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519) – Renaissance anatomist, scientist, mathematician, and painter
Vincenzo Viviani (1622–1703) – Mathematician known for Viviani's theorem, Viviani's curve and his work in determining the speed of sound
Alessandro Volta (1745–1827) – Physicist known for the invention of the battery[4]
Wilhelm Heinrich Waagen (1841–1900) – Geologist and paleontologist
Karl Weierstrass (1815–1897) – Often called the Father of Modern Analysis[49]
E. T. Whittaker (1873–1956) – English mathematician who made contributions to applied mathematics and mathematical physics
Eric F. Wieschaus (1947– ) – He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
Johann Joachim Winckelmann (1717–1768) – One of the founders of scientific archaeology
Bertram Windle (1858-1929) – Anthropologist, physician, and former president of University College Cork
Antonino Zichichi (1929– ) – Italian nuclear physicist, former President of the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare[50]

Actually, heliocentrism has been talked about before Christ.

But yes, the Catholic Church was the primary reason for upper level learning.

But yeah, to imprison Copernicus because he found out the Heliocentric model is living in the dark ages

Please don't tell me you just googled a list of "Christian scientists" to copy and paste. Don't waste our time with that. There's much, much more interesting things the Church has done in advancement of our knowledge that can actually be explained.

Stop being lazy.

But CHS, you implied Christians live in the Dark ages when you posted this nonsense...
(From a(n anachro-)Christian point of view, the sun revolved around the Earth.)

I then knew an education was in order.

Woops. Typed "anachro" instead of "archae". Guess I need to reup on the Latin

(From a(n archae-)Christian point of view, the sun revolved around the Earth.)

This is the correct version. This should make sense now.

Yep....the Church banned Copernicus' "Des revolutionibus" for more than 200 years.

Dictionary: A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe.

There are probably around a dozen or so major religions worldwide, with all of them having followers who believe their religion is the "correct" religion.

There are also a lot of people who don't have a religion.

When passing laws regarding hot button items such as abortion or gay marriage, why should religion have ANY weight in the matter by our law makers? It shouldn't. It's not about what a book from a few thousand years ago says, it's about human rights and equality.

I understand if your personal beliefs or religion disagrees with something, that's fine and dandy and I'll never judge anyone for their beliefs....

But why can't John and Joe get married if they're truly in love? How does that in anyway, shape or form affect you? Or if Cindy gets raped and wants an abortion?

I see commercials for this television show where people go on blind marriages instead of blind dates, I think it's called married at first sight? I also saw a commercial for a show on ABC called Celebrity Wife Swap. How do gay people threaten the holy sanctity of marriage, but crap this gets promoted on television!?

Your rights don't matter if sin is accompanying them.

Don't matter to who?

People whose thoughts about sins are irrelevant to the conversation.

There's this weird belief propogated by uneducated Christian voters who desperately believe we are a Christian nation. They conveniently ignore the founders were heavily influenced by Deist leanings, and wanted anything but laws based on Christianity. There's also the Treaty of Tripoli which further states we are not founded Christianity. Here's the text of the treaty:



There's controversey on this, though. Many apologists argue this was signed to stop bullying from pirates. Although, a true Christian would NEVER author anything of this sort, you know?

There's also this huge belief they are right compared to every other religion. The base can never come up with any meaningful evidence proving they are correct. Faith does not stand up in the court of law.

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Back to the topic....

Good on Caitlyn for making the transition she always felt she needed to.

I hope this isn't inappropriate for these boards BUT....

My sister is gay.

My mother is an extremely devoted and extreme Christian.

My sister says her sexuality isn't by choice, that she can't help what she feels.

My mother insists that homosexuality is a choice, and that my sister CAN help the way she feels, she just CHOOSES to be gay.

I guess my Mom has to be right, because a book from 2,000+ years ago says so, right?

How can anyone say that homosexuality is a choice if they've never lived a day in a homosexuals shoes!?

You pervert the message of Christians who posted in this thread which is of no surprise to many of us. Here is some of what was really said...


I am also amazed at how many people don't understand that from a Christian point of view, it IS about the sex!

Brucey dressing like a lady is not a sin as far as I know.
Gay people enjoying each others company is not a sin either.

It is the practice of Homosexual sex that crosses the line into sin. So we call it a sin.

As free Americans, we can do as we please in the privacy of our own homes but when you drag sin into the streets and try to force a practicing Christian to somehow approve of it, accept it as ok behavior, or to change existing laws to make it part of OUR daily lives, we resist. It is sin.

Christians must stand against all sin. No sin is acceptable to our God. We try to live a life without sin and that is hard. If you can't resist a sin then at least have the guts to admit you are a sinner and continue the fight. Trying to convince us that the sin of homosexual sex is an ok sin and there is something wrong with the rest of us for not agreeing is balony.

How can you expect a person who thinks Gay sex is ok to agree with a person who thinks it is a sin?
To insult one persons beliefs in favor of another persons beliefs does not serve your family at all. Both are firm in their stand. Make your choice and stand by it but allow the others that same respect.

I for one believe you will all have your answers upon death.

whoa whoa whoa whoa.

christians are the ones talking about having laws than ban homosexuality.

Don't talk about anything being forced on anyone when christians are the main demographic doing exactly that.

you're the ones trying to make homosexuality against the law, not me.

you're the ones trying to ban abortions, not me.

you don't PERSONALLY have to accept anything. doesn't mean it should be illegal.

I don't like people who eat chili cheese dogs because it makes their breath stink at work. you don't see me protesting, trying to make that a law.

Gays getting married infringe on your rights how? oh...they don't. just your opinion.

Do gays getting married/having sex infringe on your right to practice christianity at home?

no.

Do gays getting married/having sex change your mortgage or whatever payment on the first of the month?

no.

Does gays getting married/having sex make you question your sexuality or your heterosexual marriage?

no.

So since it doesn't infringe on ANY of your rights, AND you call yourself a conservative, then why are you steady trying to pass legislation on something that doesn't affect you?

i'm left wing, but it truly seems like i'm the real conservative on this board. because as long as it doesn't mess with my rights, then i don't give a crap.

gay marriage doesn't mess with my rights. get gay married.

I'm not christian, so when you give me your reasoning because "the bible" it means exactly jack crap to me.

This isn't a christian nation. this isn't a christian government.

y'all want a country that's official religion is christianity, and you can practice your religious laws in the country and preach from the bible, and continue your bigotry ways? move to Ireland.

oh wait.....

So since you say that gay sex is "the sin itself", then are you saying you believe someone or people are trying to pass a law that allows gay sex in public? To me that seems to be what you're saying since it's actually only "gay sex" that you say is the sin.

And how would legal gay marriage be " a part of your daily life"? Do you feel someone will force you to get "gay married"? Do you believe that somehow if it's made legal that you suddenly have to approve of it?



Did someone ask you to live differently? Is someone trying to force you to abandon your belief system?



We are all sinners. And once again, I didn't see anyone asking you to agree with the gay lifestyle. Many simply don't believe you have the right to deny others their right to live as they choose.

He who be without sin, let him cast the first stone.

Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

Judge ye not lest ye too shall also be judged.

You should probably take your own advice.

whoa whoa whoa Swish!

Look it up and tell me how long Homosexual sex has been legal in the United States.

40YEARSWAITING

I never insulted anyone's beliefs here. Just respectfully disagreed and tried to use the best example I could think of since it's personal to me.

Swish did a better job making the point that I tried to make earlier.

While gay marriage maybe against your own personal beliefs, it in no way shape or form infringes on your rights as an American or human being.

Atheists and gays alike don't share the same views as Christians, but they recognize their right as human beings and Americans to practice their religion and have their own beliefs/opinions.

They don't protest in the streets to ban Christianity simply because they disagree with it.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I guess I'm just thinking out loud at this point.

It's a civil rights issue. It should be.

Remember when interracial marriage was also illegal?

Exactly.

Religious belief should hold zero weight over Government and human equality matters.

Whoa Whoa Whoa Pit, you ask soooo many questions at once.
Gay people are A-Ok, God bless them all.
Gay is ok, love each other, be true to each other.
Gay sex is a sin in the Christian Faith. Our God forbids it.
The Gay lifestyle has been brought into the Public eye(streets) as has Gay Marriage. A Practicing Christian should ask God what to think of this and in the Bible God says it is a sin to have Gay sex. God said marriage is between one man and one woman.
Why would a Practicing Christian say Gay sex is ok when his God says it is not? Why would a Christian take a stand to support Gay marriage when his God says otherwise?
Confusion? Rebellion? Not really a Christian?

You say...
He who be without sin, let him cast the first stone.
-I am not casting stones for I am a sinner too.

You say...
Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.
-I am not looking for revenge on anyone.

You say...
Judge ye not lest ye too shall also be judged.
-I judge no one, God alone judges us. I simply say that our God says Gay sex and Marriage is a sin, so who are YOU to tell Him he is wrong?

Well for the people who don't believe in God, or a religion-based god, then we can question whoever the hell we want.

Cause freedom.

And so, God is wrong. Tell him to pack his bags and bounce.

You were rough on Mom for believing in what it sounded like (dumb old) 2000 year old book. That is her faith, her devotion. The word of her God.

How can you possibly think she should set aside everything she holds dear? Not even for her own daughter will she!

My posts are about MY Christian beliefs on this subject and the Words of my God, written over the centuries. Do you think I dreamed these things up on my own? When asked a question on these kind of issues, I look to my Bible and to my God for His input and in this case His Words are pretty clear. Why would I ever stand against Him? How can I vote yes when He says no?

I now grow fatigued.

I thought that's why you hired Carl?

Maybe you should hire me as your personal mouthpiece on dawgtalkers!

You have crossed the line there, Swish. In some countries, that would be a death sentence. As far as being gay goes: Keep it behind closed doors, be discrete, and you won't hear from me on the subject as what you do there affects me not at all. However, flaunt it in my face (parades, etc), then it becomes a problem...