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Which 2007 drafted players could impact their respective teams in the AFC North in your guys opinion?
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Well I expect Quinn, Thomas, and Wright to all start for us early in the season since Thomas and Wright face stiff competition, and Quinn might beat out Frye in camp (who never has been very good in practice college or pro for some reason). Those three will probably impact more than any other players in our division. Timmons from Pittsburgh will probably be a special teams beast who sees at least half of the the plays on defense as he learns how to play in a 3-4 (he might be a bit undersized for that system, but will be a good pass rusher and good once Pitt moves to a cover 2 in a few years). Hall will be Cincy's nickelback and Grubbs in an OL, so he won't be noticed even if he is good.
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Timmons played 3-4 at Florida a little under half the time according to him....thats not to say the Pitt system is gonna be a cakewalk for him to learn though.
Wimbley got 11 sacks last year as a rookie....I think anything less than 14 between Timmons and Woodley will be disappointing.
I think the rookie that could make or break the season for Pitt is Sepulveda.
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Let's look at the 1st round picks because those are usually the most NFL ready:
Cleveland Browns:
Joe Thomas- Will be hard to measure his impact. Yes I know if we give up less sacks he must be doing something right, but you have to take in account Steinbach, Fraley...etc also. Like Thomas said in an interview the only stats that are kept for a lineman that mean anything are bad ones. We will all notice a difference but he isn't going to make splash/impact you are thinking of.
Brady Quinn- Well to be honest if he doesn't start he won't have any impact. If he does he could have a huge one. This really depends on if he starts and when...Honestly I don't think he makes much of an impact this year even though he will start around week 12-14 in my mind
Ravens:
Ben Grubbs- Has the same problem Joe has, but it is even harder to notice a guards impact.
Bengals-
Leon Hall- He plays a position where veteran WR's usually abuse rookie CBs. His lack of speed will hurt when he has to lineup against some of the faster WR's in the league. In his rookie year, if he is left on an island I can see some big plays getting by this young man.
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Timmons- I think he has the best shot at making the biggest impact. We saw the impact that Wimbley made and Wimbley really didn't have the supporting cast that the Steelers do ( D-line, other linebackers...etc) I honestly think he will have a 10+ sack season and could be a darkhorse for the D-ROY.
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Wimbley got 11 sacks last year as a rookie....I think anything less than 14 between Timmons and Woodley will be disappointing.
I find that an odd statement.
I say that for a few reasons. First, I think 11 sacks for anybody in their rookie season is exceptional and should not be expected at all. Second, I think 7 sacks a piece would also be very good and you are expecting that from two rookies. And third, it sounds as if you expect these guys to be just as good as Wimbley. I just don't think that should be expected. I think Wimbley was just a lucky pick for us, for once. He's going to be a real special player.
Of course, so could Timmons and Woodley, but I just thought that was a very odd way to put things.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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stat wise:
Timmons.. easily..
talent wise:
Joe Thomas.. easily.. those blind side hits are going to diminish dramatically..
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maybe we can hand the ball off this year without a linebacker draping our QB's back as he hands it causing fumbles.....
I mean how many times a year does that happen to good teams?
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Wright gets my vote. Quinn makes an impact but late, Thomas is well..not noticed (a very good thing). Wright makes 5 picks and looks like the new "Prime Time" 
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Hey Hack,
Isn't Tomlin going to be switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3? That's what I thought I heard.
I realize it's not something that can happen in a year, but I heard that he's going to play a combination of the 3-4 and a 4-3. Is that right?
And the next head coach is ......
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This is probably gonna sound crazy to some of you, but for the Browns, I expect Wright will have the biggest rookie impact.. How that stacks up for the AFC North, I'm just not sure.
Quinn is someone that I don't expect will start day one and it's really difficult to see the impact of a rookie LT.. few ever have a great impact right away.
So for us, it's Wright! JMO however.
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Quinn is someone that I don't expect will start day one and it's really difficult to see the impact of a rookie LT.. few ever have a great impact right away.
I agree with you on JT but with Stein next to him our left side OL should be noticeably better from day 1. JT will probably get more credit for that than Stein.
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Easy. Tyrone Moss... 
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Easy. Tyrone Moss...
not a 2007 rookie.. but ima have to say Antonio Perkins 
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Easy. Tyrone Moss...
Making a big impact selling peanuts outside the gate???
Signing Steinbach - $49.5 million
Signing Lewis - $5 million
Drafting Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn - millions more
Restoring the Browns to champions - priceless.
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I agree with you on JT but with Stein next to him our left side OL should be noticeably better from day 1. JT will probably get more credit for that than Stein.
There is truth to that I bet,,,, you may be right,, But still, of the top three rookies on the Browns, I still expect to see Wright as the difference maker first... JMO
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I just don't understand this viewpoint that Quinn should come in at all this season. I think he could make an impact if he plays, but I honestly hope that he doesn't play this season. I hope Charlie takes the reigns, does his job whether it be poor or great, and we let Quinn develop behind the scenes. Rookie QB's need time to develop and I think if he sits and watches Charlie either do good things or bad things he's going to learn. He'll learn what not to do if Charlie does poorly and he'll learn what to do if Charlie does well. It's a win/win situation. I think if we put him in there at all whether it be week 1 or week 16 we could be jepordizing our future QB. Now maybe week 16 wouldn't be so bad, but I'm just trying to throw out there that we need to allow our rooks to develop, especially at QB. Look at Joey Harrington, David Carr, Tim Couch (Don't like to bring up the past, but it's true, he could've been a decent QB but we ruined him because we started him too early behind a crappy O-Line), Kyle Boller (might be a bad example), and almost Alex Smith (Could be on the rise now). Now anyone could make an argument that Matt Leinert did well starting right away and he WAS NFL ready and so is Brady Quinn, so maybe that's a plus. You can also make the argument that we finally have an O-Line that "could" protect the QB better, which also makes sense. But I just worry about ruining a QB by throwing him to the wolves too early. JMHO, but I think we should sit Brady his first year and let him soak everything in... he looks like a good soaker. 
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I think Quinn is in a better situation than Couch had though...
1) the line will be 10 times better than what Couch had...
2) Quinn has more offensive weapons... Braylon, Winslow, Lewis. There is a running threat and a passing threat that Couch unfortunately did not have.
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I honestly wonder what any QB "learns" from the bench. So Frye thows a pick and turns to Brady and says.. "See that bud...don't throw into that coverage, with my arm, when you play.." I think the action is so fast the player has to learn the speed of the game and the proper decisions for themselves. Like riding a bike, it comes naturally with exposure and it's not something someone can teach you from their experience. You only learn it from feeling the center of balance and the skinned knees firsthand.
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I honestly wonder what any QB "learns" from the bench. So Frye thows a pick and turns to Brady and says.. "See that bud...don't throw into that coverage, with my arm, when you play.." I think the action is so fast the player has to learn the speed of the game and the proper decisions for themselves. Like riding a bike, it comes naturally with exposure and it's not something someone can teach you from their experience. You only learn it from feeling the center of balance and the skinned knees firsthand.
i think the only advantage of sitting a year, is that you will have more time to learn the playbook, and also learn the small things a QB needs to know. ie patting the ball, staring down WR's, working on the pump fake, etc. All those things are what the QB coach should be drilling into Brady.
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Learning is as much about "what NOT to do" as it is about "what TO do".
As NFL ready as everyone says Brady is, He's still got a lot of learning to do..
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I honestly wonder what any QB "learns" from the bench. So Frye thows a pick and turns to Brady and says.. "See that bud...don't throw into that coverage, with my arm, when you play.." I think the action is so fast the player has to learn the speed of the game and the proper decisions for themselves. Like riding a bike, it comes naturally with exposure and it's not something someone can teach you from their experience. You only learn it from feeling the center of balance and the skinned knees firsthand.
i think the only advantage of sitting a year, is that you will have more time to learn the playbook, and also learn the small things a QB needs to know. ie patting the ball, staring down WR's, working on the pump fake, etc. All those things are what the QB coach should be drilling into Brady.
So all three of our QB's are even .Doubt Frye or Anderson have much of a heads up with respect to the playbook this year..maybe they should sit too.
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