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Andrew Gribble ‏ @ Andrew_Gribble 25m 25 minutes ago
Browns defense goes nuts after Jordan Poyer picks off a pass. Poyer has drawn big praise from coaches for how he's performed with 1's
Gipson worked hard to climb out of the UDFA ranks to become a legitimate starter.
FS has always been a Money position in the Pettine D. Gipson took advantage of it for around a half a season and garnished praise well deserved.
But gone to his head? Bad advice from his agent.
His decision is going to end up biting him in the ass. He lost his "HUNGER" but there are guys waiting for the opportunity to rise in this Defense.
Man I hope we aren't just saying goodbye to you Gipson as you paint yourself into a corner. By the time that paint dries you just might not have a position here. Guess how valuable you will be next year as you hit FA being a nickel n Dime DB...about the description of the contract you'll get.
Bad bad move by Gipson...anyone know who his agent is?
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I wonder if the injury is still affecting him maybe?
and with the contract....eh...
just a general statement on this board with regards to players, not directing this at you Tab. people that post on here always talk about competition and winning battles and not handing people starting spots.
but it seems like that only applies to certain players. there's gonna be somebody who post in this thread that goes "poyer of gipson? pfffftt".
well, he's out performing him it seems like. Tab maybe you're right, maybe he lost the hunger and lost a step because now he was viewed as the man.
we can only speculate.
and it could be as easy as the coaching staff taking their time with his injury and letting poyer get some reps with the 1's just in case lol.
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Way too early to tell. I don't have a problem with Gipson playing hard ball - he may never have as much leverage as he does now. . . . and the idea that one play this early in the season can spell the end for Gipson is a little premature.
Now - if he doesn't reach an agreement soon or get in camp very late ... that would be a problem.
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I really liked Poyer out of college. Having seen him quite a bit playing for the Beavers. He was a good college corner. It surprised me that he dropped so far in the draft. I thought he had second round talent. When we picked him up off waivers or whatever I was elated. Glad to see him developing. Even if it's at safety. Even if it's at the expense of our hold out pro bowl starter.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion after reading the little thing about Poyer picking off a pass?
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I understand that some of you are going to feel the need to make Gipson the bad guy here. No way could this FO ever, ever make a mistake. It has to be Gipson's fault, Shanny's fault, Skrine's weaknesses, etc. But, some of us may want to see more evidence and a bit more than an unrelated tweet before we make up our minds. So, here is an article that was on another thread. Hey pblack.......I told you you should have started a Gipson thread. LOL Tashaun Gipson had to notice when Browns added salary with Andy Lee It's a safe bet that one person who definitely noticed that the Cleveland Browns were willing to add another $1.5 million to their budget for a punter was free safety Tashaun Gipson. It was a tender offer to Gipson that saved the Browns just short of $1 million that has him working on his own while his teammates go through offseason workouts. How this washes out remains to be seen, but adding an extra $1.5 million for Andy Lee, a punter, is the type of thing that make Pro Bowl safeties and their representatives dig in. These are the types of situations that lead to players talking about being treated with respect, and they have the potential to be problematic depending on how they’re handled. The Browns had a very good and dependable punter in Spencer Lanning, but chose to make the first trade for a punter in the NFL in 10 years -- and add Lee -- a very, very good punter -- to the payroll The background on Gipson is well known. He was an undrafted free agent who worked his way to the starting lineup and then the Pro Bowl last season -- even though his season ended after 11 games with a knee injury that did not require surgery. Gipson became a restricted free agent when the season ended. The Browns had the right to tender an offer to Gipson that would allow them to match any contract he signed or receive compensation if he left. The compensation depended on the tender offer. The Browns could have offered a first-round tender on Gipson, but they chose a second-round tender -- which saved them just less than $1 million and had Gipson expressing disappointment on Twitter immediately after. Talks to negotiate a long-term deal have not been fruitful, and Gipson remains unsigned. Because he has not signed, he does not have to report for any Browns duties and cannot be fined for missing them. The Browns and Gipson have less than two months to work out a long-term deal to bring Gipson into training camp. Gipson can also sign the tender, play for a season and become a free agent. The Browns have the right to drastically cut Gipson's salary, but that would be a foolish decision. Fans get turned off by contract talks, and if the Browns and Gipson work out a long-term deal this will all be forgotten. It could happen any day. But it’s still hard not to think this situation could easily have been avoided. The Browns had plenty of cap space when they made the tender offer to Gipson, but chose the lower-round tender. It’s not unlike the situation they are staring at with center Alex Mack. Instead of franchising Mack, Ray Farmer gave Mack the transition tag. The Browns quickly matched Jacksonville’s offer to Mack, but in doing so had to swallow the fact Mack can opt out after this season and become a free agent. By transitioning Mack, the Browns ceded some control to another team regarding their player. By tendering Gipson the second-round offer, they empowered his anger. At the time, it seemed inevitable the team would work out a long-term deal because who wouldn’t work out a deal with a Pro Bowl safety who epitomized the team’s goal principles and attitude. That hasn’t happened. And it's at least a concern at this point. Complicating the situation is that every move the team makes has to be noticed by Gipson and his camp. When players talk about loyalty not being a two-way street, it refers to situations like this where the Browns: Saved $998,000 by offering Gipson a second-round tender. Guaranteed 36-year-old quarterback Josh McCown $6.45 million. Guaranteed 30-year-old receiver Dwayne Bowe $10 million. Guaranteed defensive tackle John Hughes $3.56 million. Guaranteed 32-year-old cornerback Tramon Williams $10 million. Heck, the Browns gave tight end Rob Housler a $750,000 signing bonus. Nothing against those guys, and Gipson no doubt does not begrudge them getting paid. But to think he doesn’t notice ... well, that’s naive. http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...y-with-andy-lee
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I don't know that I would call it a big mistake.
It's easy for guys to look good in OTA practices so I wouldn't buy much into Jordan Poyer being anything special right now.
I'm curious to know what kind of money Gipson is even wanting.
The more time he misses, the more it's going to decrease his market value, right?
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Because its the nature of the beast. Many a time players get a little to full of themselves and lose the opportunity that they had.
That is one text from an observer of OTAs but I've been hearing a lot of buzz about Poyer taking on that position. About him being one of the Impressive surprises in camp.
I know I used the tweet of that play and the defense getting excited and the coaches singing praise of him.
Do you mean is this guaranteed no - it is opinion if it was 100% fact I wouldn't ask what you all think about it. I think it would be horrible for Gipson to lose what he fought so hard for. But again he might be painting himself in a corner.
Obviously we will se what happens when it is a Mandatory camp/practice. But as it is now he cannot attend that either until he signs that Tender or a long term contract which no he is losing leverage on in any negotiations. As Browns football without Gipson is not such a terrible thing for the Browns.
Not the way I want it and probably Pettine and Company but if this come to push and shove Gipson is losing whatever leverage he had.
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Have you considered that it just might be the Browns who are making the mistake?
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Hey pblack.......I told you you should have started a Gipson thread. LOL  wasnt some one farmer brought in. he drafted a safety. so he is going to lowball him like he did every one else thats gone.
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I agree with Vers. This is a hyperbolic thread title. I really like how we got a novel of pure fandom off of one tweet.
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The FO was stupid in offering the 2nd round tender. They should have offered the first round tender. I thought it was the FO being cheap and was surprised another team didnt pick him up. hell I would have given up a late first for the guy thats with him coming off the injury. Its just bad business the way the browns went about it all the way around.
They were real clever in trying to save a few bucks and ticking off the player. He would still have been ticked with the 1st tender but he would have at least felt respected by the team.
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Gibson has every right to attempt to capitalize on last year's success. If/when they come to an agreement, I'd fully expect him to start. Poyer simply benefits from that additional reps, and the team benefits from the increased ability at depth. I like it. 
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I think you always have to be cautious when a player is coming off of a big time injury. The Browns want to make sure he's fully healthy, and that last year wasn't a fluke. With that being said though, I would pay Gipson a modest contract with high incentive potential.
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Hard to agree or disagree as I cannot recall many snaps for Poyer. I just know Gipson is a center fielder free safety and can lock down a large section of the field and he can lock down on one on one man press.
Who really knows what Poyer can do, maybe he's honestly better, who knows.
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We are in a contract dispute so anything we hear about the free safety position is likely to be nothing but propaganda. Sit at home we have a star in the makings lol
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Have you considered that it just might be the Browns who are making the mistake?
I see a player who is totally upset because we place the 2nd round tender instead of the first. Which means that he had no intention of signing a long term contract he wanted to sign the one year tender and play the FA market next year. At least there was more chance of offers to be made with a 2nd round compensation - But there were not. That is not the Brown's fault. Possibly their demands were too high or teams didn't consider him worth a 2nd round pick let alone the first round. Or nobody was going to offer him a contract due to the injury?
Several none fluff staff writers have made observations or talked with the coaches and there have been positive results.
The players are excited for his efforts which is always a good thing. If the Browns did not have Poyer making strides, it could be different for Gipson. He would have leverage on the Browns - But the gamble did not go that way.
Actually when our mandatory practices come into fold I expect Gipson to sign the tender and either negotiate long term or figure he'll play the season out and go FA next year unless we tag him.
But he will have some rust to work off and then he will have to retake his position - something he was not expecting to do. What if Poyer surpasses him he definitely will be ahead of Gipson in year 2 of the D.
I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying Gipson is creating that scenario where he might be on the outs...not the Browns how so? Making what mistake? Not signing the 2nd round tender? No that is Gipson. Not showing up to OTAs and getting the work? NO that is Gipson.
You wish to look at it differently and it Farmer and Pettine who are incompetent and blowing it. Go right ahead but explain how so except they should give into the demands of an agent. Then I'm sure you will be 2nd guessing their investment into a player who was on the IR last year and had one partial season of Good Success.
Now I have explained myself and my possible train of thought...please do the same. I didn't make the thread for you to pat me on the back and say bravo...if you have some sound logic to make this a conflict worthy of different opinion...I welcome it.
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Let me get this straight. When a player is in a contract dispute, "He's lost that hunger"? Seriously? It's not just a game tab, it's also a business.
Gipson was rated as the #67 player in the NFL by his fellow players for his work last season. Not by some BOZO's. I agree with those who felt lowballing Gipson with the 2nd round tender is the cause of this. Not Gipson.
And the business side of the game has zero indications as to the fire and hunger that a player has for the game.
I can kind of see this as the set up for what happens if Gipson doesn't sign. It will be just like Skrine.
He was great..... until he left. Then we didn't need him, he was not that good, etc, etc, etc.....
It's all the players fault and none of the failings of making a deal has anything to do with the FO......
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If gipson is SO absolutely deserving of a first round tender, how come no team has gone after him only having a 2nd round tender?
How can Farmer be lowballing him so badly, when other teams arent jumping at the opportunity to sign him for a #2?
Seems to me that the front office wasnt willing to dish out a ton of money for a guy who had one half of a break out season, and is now coming off an injury. Thats reasonable in my opinion. I do hope they work out a deal, however.
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I can kind of see this as the set up for what happens if Gipson doesn't sign. It will be just like Skrine.
He was great..... until he left. Then we didn't need him, he was not that good, etc, etc, etc.....
It's all the players fault and none of the failings of making a deal has anything to do with the FO......
Yep, I've seen this movie before.
skrine was paid as what, the 13th best paid CB in the league? he's a nickelback. he was over paid. im glad we werent willing to make a #3 CB be paid more than half of the #1 CBs in the league. i liked skrine, but not enough to overpay for him.
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Poyer picks off one pass from Johnny Manziel or McCown and he's now beating Gipson on the depth chart? lmao Come on, Tab.
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Yeah go Che' lol 
Seriously he is out with an injury. Most football players are raring to get back and play...some of that hunger that got him to that prominence. Just somehow has gone somewhere.
Yep there is those stats again...sorry - Look when he was #67 before any of the contract seriousness coming about I was flabbergasted. And I've been a proponent of him becoming good but realized the Importance guys like you and yes media and the possibly of his peers for the simple fact of his INTS. Without them and excellent play he would have not come close to #67.
Those who feel lowballing not Gipson? It is only Gipson who has felt insulted with the 2nd round tender paying maybe double of what he made his first 3 seasons (don't know the pay scale) Only a "GET THE MAN" attitude can consider a 2nd round tender for a UDFA as Low Balling...in your words, SERIOUSLY?
Business side is not indication of the fire and hunger...well 50 50 I would say the business effects the situation...not when they get resolved then it kiss and make up and hey its just business.
But obviously this is not just business where is it business to show complete indignation on being just tendered a 2nd round tender...huh. What does that have to do with negotiations? Most get upset with the higher tenders as they never get to see contracts due to the compensation.
Skrine...he was great  where were you in all those discussions that I had with posters on how good he was...yeah now according to you he was "GREAT" not good but "GREAT"...lol I love how that happens.
My attitude on him didn't differ - I said he was very good inside...but outside (and he was forced outside as a team need) He was serviceable. Not good not bad.
All along I stated that K'Wan Williams is what made him expendable he did create a scenario that was beyond expectations. And the raves are still coming. Its not some AGENDA yada yada as you suggest. Oh I have more than once stated I will defend up to a point a Brown as long as he is a Brown...when we do let them go then I am more apt to discuss the negatives...true.
But I never bashed Skrine...he was not a Just let go Brown he was a good CB and probably will remain good cause guess what - he is on the inside where he belongs. But his contract is that of an OUTSIDE CB. Again the FO negatives - get the MAN. Would say how could we pay all that money for a slot CB...but its great when another team does it...lol
All the players fault. We made a 2nd round tender...how is that our fault. I've never heard once before of a player complaining on the RFA TENDER they are getting. Not once can I remember that. So yeah I'm blaming Gipson and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and state he is getting BAD ADVICE. How is it NOT HIS FAULT. All we have done up to this point is tender him with the 2nd round tender...Ooooo evil Browns.
You can find some bad thing we have done I'm willing to listen but as little as you think I got - you got nothing.
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If gipson is SO absolutely deserving of a first round tender, how come no team has gone after him only having a 2nd round tender?
How can Farmer be lowballing him so badly, when other teams arent jumping at the opportunity to sign him for a #2?
Seems to me that the front office wasnt willing to dish out a ton of money for a guy who had one half of a break out season, and is now coming off an injury. Thats reasonable in my opinion. I do hope they work out a deal, however. Thank you. I think the folks that are calling the FO stupid over this are missing or ignoring this point. Maybe it's just concerns over the injury, but if this guy is worth so much more than the tender he got, then he'd be gone already. He's not. Yes entitled to battle this out to get his money, and that doesn't mean he's lost any fire, but it also doesn't reflect poorly on the FO either.
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I don't think it's a low ball offer... I just think it's just let a situation get further out of hand. When running an organization, you can't do that.
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Yeah I could possibly be incorrect with my claim of him losing his fire...Pit I'll sort of give you that one. It still could go either way. But being MAD at a none negotiable thing like that just sometimes has him quit in desire...not guaranteed but brings the possibility there.
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Yeah I could possibly be incorrect with my claim of him losing his fire...Pit I'll sort of give you that one. It still could go either way. But being MAD at a none negotiable thing like that just sometimes has him quit in desire...not guaranteed but brings the possibility there. Well I appreciate that Tab. I wasn't trying to suggest it wasn't a "possibility". But I believe it will only be a possibility if he feels forced into playing for what he feels is a low ball contract. And even at that, I don't think it will happen. Why? because he would be playing for a long term deal next year and him playing at a high level would be the best scenario for his career. As of now I think it's pretty much "business as usual" from both sides of the fence. I don't really see a "good guy vs bad guy" scenario here.
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You mean have I considered YOUR POINT OF VIEW that these guys don't have a clue...no that is your opinion.
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend.
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend. Absoultley. Just a matter of how pissed he is could affect his play.
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If gipson is SO absolutely deserving of a first round tender, how come no team has gone after him only having a 2nd round tender?
How can Farmer be lowballing him so badly, when other teams arent jumping at the opportunity to sign him for a #2?
Seems to me that the front office wasnt willing to dish out a ton of money for a guy who had one half of a break out season, and is now coming off an injury. Thats reasonable in my opinion. I do hope they work out a deal, however. I thought that it was kind of weird that he was upset over getting the 2nd round tender. Usually guys get upset over getting too high of a tender, that makes teams shy away from signing them to an offer. They usually don't get upset over getting a lot tender, that would encourage teams to sign him. It is weird that no teams have taken a run at Gipson, I think that he was a top 2 FS in the AFC last year.Everything I have heard about him says that he is hard working, and has a great attitude. Weird.
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend. Absoultley. Just a matter of how pissed he is could affect his play. My guess is that when he sees the field again, all of his beef with the front office instantly goes away. He's going to be playing for a big contract AND playing for his brothers in Brown around him. Just my opinion...
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend. Absoultley. Just a matter of how pissed he is could affect his play. My guess is that when he sees the field again, all of his beef with the front office instantly goes away. He's going to be playing for a big contract AND playing for his brothers in Brown around him. Just my opinion... one would think but some players just go the other way. hey look at that probowle guard just let go for the eagles.
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Pro Bowler Tashaun Gipson makes it clear he wants to rejoin Browns, doing so next week would be logical decision By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer Pro Bowl free safety Tashaun Gipson made it known in a radio interview this week he wants to reunite with the Browns, and ending his contract standoff with the organization next week would make sense because of the way the collective bargaining agreement is structured. Gipson skipped voluntary organized team activities because he’s seeking a long-term deal and didn’t want to rush into settling for the second-round tender the Browns placed upon him in March as a restricted free agent. The tender would pay him $2.356 million on a one-year deal. But deadlines spur action. And if Gipson doesn’t sign the tender by Monday, the Browns would have the right, per the CBA, to replace it with a one-year contract worth at least 110 percent of his 2014 base salary. In Gipson’s case, the adjusted amount could be as low as $627,000. It’s unlikely the Browns would further jeopardize their relationship with Gipson by cutting his tender — coach Mike Pettine declined to comment after practice Thursday on whether they would use the hardball tactic. But it also wouldn’t be wise for Gipson’s camp to risk losing $1.729 million, the difference between the $2.356 million tender and the hypothetical reduced tender of $627,000. So the most logical course of action for Gipson, who ascended from an undrafted rookie out of the University of Wyoming to a Pro Bowler in three years, would be to sign the tender before Monday’s deadline and report to mandatory minicamp, which will run Tuesday through Thursday at team headquarters in Berea. During a recent interview with Wyoming radio station KFBC, Gipson made it clear he intends to rejoin the Browns this summer with or without a long-term contract in place. He didn’t reveal a date for his anticipated return, but the CBA points to next week as a sensible time. “That’s definitely the plan,” Gipson said Tuesday when asked if he expects to be back in Cleveland this summer. “This situation, first and foremost, is a blessing. Here I am, a guy who’s undrafted. Now I’m in contract negotiations. So, yeah, I love the city of Cleveland. There’s no other team that I would rather play for. That’s the team that gave me the opportunity, and I’m more than grateful for the opportunity that they gave me looking back on it. So there’s no other place I want to play. As far as a timetable [for my return to the team], that’s just something that I just can’t give right now because of the matter of the situation. “But, you know, absolutely at the end of the day, I’m going to play football. No matter if this contract situation is shook out, I will be playing in Cleveland. It’s just about, how will it be? I would like a long-term extension, but if it doesn’t work out, then you know, hey, I’m going to show up, be the same guy that I’ve been for the past three years, not causing problems, and continue to give 100 percent to the city of Cleveland and my organization.” Gipson, 24, has remained involved with the Browns from afar throughout OTAs. Defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil and secondary coach Jeff Hafley said they have been in communication with him on a regular basis this spring. Backup free safety Jordan Poyer revealed Gipson has been watching practice film and texting him advice on specific plays. Meanwhile, Gipson has been working out in Texas this spring. But preparing for the 2015 season alongside his teammates in the coming days would be the rational move. “I can’t speak for where he is from a frame of mind or what his plans are, but when he’s here he’ll be welcomed,” Pettine said Thursday. “[I’ve] been through this in all my time in the NFL — guys with contract issues. Things very quickly get forgotten once they show up.” In Pettine’s mind, the sooner Gipson returns, the better. He established himself as one of the team’s best players last season, when he finished second in the NFL with six interceptions despite missing the final five games with a sprained knee. He is listed 67th on NFL Network’s The Top 100 Players of 2015. The list is determined solely by the votes of current players, according to the network. http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/pro-bo...cision-1.599764
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How did you arrive at that conclusion after reading the little thing about Poyer picking off a pass?
Wondering the same thing. Not to mention the statement that he lost his hunger. I mean HUNGER. It's almost like that joke about the logic class in the Joke thread that's going on now.
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Browns S Tashaun Gipson signs tender agreement Posted 7 minutes ago Andrew Gribble Senior Staff Writer @Andrew_Gribble He returns after making Pro Bowl in 2014 Browns safety Tashaun Gipson signed his tender agreement Friday to officially extend his tenure with the team through 2015. Gipson, an undrafted free agent out of Wyoming three years ago, became the first Browns undrafted defensive player to make the Pro Bowl since Mike Johnson (1991) after racking up six interceptions -- a total that ranked second in the NFL -- 52 tackles, eight passes defensed and a defensive touchdown.​ http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...36-d2b0f5702fd0
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Good deal! Stay healthy. Have a monster season. Earn that fat contract next Spring! 
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend. You sir, are a genius!
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Gipson signs his tender before the end of the weekend. You sir, are a genius! A pat on the back, BUT...not quite! It was by the end of the (work) week. You called it close enough though to earn the pat...
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Not another Poyer thread...I heard Farmer might get rid of Poyer because he doesn't want competition at the position. We had a winning record when Poyer played  Ok enough bad jokes....awesome to see that Gibson has signed, hope to you have another big season for us! (and hopefully more in the future)! Btw, nice call CFRS, lol.
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