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nation of christians and a christian nation are two vasty different things.

Our people are Christians, our government is not.

Correct, and nor should religion hold any weight when it comes to Government and politics.

You are wrong. People of Religion have an equal vote to establish laws or change our government. We have weight.

I'm no more wrong or right than you are. I voiced my opinion, just as you voiced yours.

I never said Christian Americans shouldn't have the right to vote. Their voices, opinions and beliefs matter, absolutely, but so do everyone elses that aren't Christian. You see?

What I'm saying is when our elected officials in office all gather to discuss policy, bills, laws, ect. that religion shouldn't hold any weight in the process. America has roughly 323 million people, and their are 13 documented major religions.

It's kind of funny watching you two argue on this because you keep telling each other they are wrong but you are making the same point...

You also are wrong! He is stating his misguided opinion while I am stating Facts. Christians should and do in fact carry weight in the running of this Great Nation.

-I don't get where you're going with the short half-lifes. If they're still here, wouldn't more time make that less likely?

-Middle two seem like decay questions and we keep going around in circles so I'm not going to keep saying the same things.

-Light from stars is interesting. I suppose if he could make the stars he could make the light emitting from them be at any distance from the source. I'm not sure what laws of the universe there are related to time.

I don't see how if he's powerful enough to create them in the first place, he'd have to use a method we'd understand. Inexplicable and unexplained aren't the same thing.

The Romans bit, I'm not sure what you want from me. I see contradictions in the Bible, too. Doesn't mean something isn't operating outside what we understand.

If any of us disagree with 40YearsWaiting we might as well not even post, because we're wrong.

don't worry, 40 thinks i'm wrong about everything.

Which part?

Pre-Darwin/Evolution Explosion in America, we were largely a "Christian" country. Politicians follow the voters. With an alternate explanation, more people moved away from the church. I really wasn't trying to be deep with it.

Edit: 40's been using 70%. I got my number from ABCNews but either way, both numbers are a clear majority.

70% of the people identify with being Christian. 70% are neither practicing Christians, attend a Church or vote along what many believe to be "Conservative Christian lines".

If in fact 70% of the nation shared the same Christian views and values, it would seem this nation would be far closer to what you wish it were, rather than what it is.

And I'm correct.

Sorry, I flipped the script on myself. What I meant to say was why wouldn't we see more isotopes with short half-lifes around, if the earth is young? Isotopes with shorter half-lifes are not found unless generated by current natural processes.



No, Varves aren't the same as isotope decay:



Each notch is a sediment layer laid down annually. We can observe this in nature as well. This has absolutely nothing to do with radiometric dating.

Quasars also helps support the age of the earth, because they are more than 13 billion light years away. So now we have radiometric dating, varves, and quasars (since they are the furthest objects we can detect). Could there be something beyond quasers? Yes. But that would state the universe is older than it is, not younger. You may be concerned about the speed of light being constant or not but I will talk about that in the next jump:



Some creationists use c-decay to explain star light. But it would alter known formulas so much that it would end the world as we know it. If you change the speed of light, you also change relativity. E=mc^2 means that any increase in the speed of light would also increase the energy output. So even if light speed changes (which it very well may), the percentages would be so small as to not cause a radical jump in the age of the universe.

And if God created starlight in transit (Omphalos hypothesis) then this would mean God is deceitful. Additionally, if this is how God created it, it doesn't change anything today. We would still have to treat the earth and the universe as billions of years old in regards to current formula and study.



To the rational mind nothing is inexplicable, only unexplained. But to keep throwing God around these explanations is the God of the gaps. We thought God was the reason lightning existed until we determined the natural process. We thought God was the reason plagues were around, to punish us for sin. Then we found out that bacteria and viruses were the culprit. God tends to be confined to the knowledge we don't know about the universe, and that knowledge gap keeps shrinking.



Sure, I just mean if we're speaking in the context of the Hebrew God of Abraham being the creator of the universe, we need to explore all of his evidence too. And even if we speak in the context of any other worshiped God, they all have contradictions which betray their image.

Treaty of Tripoli says otherwise.

Stop perpetuating a false narrative of us being a Christian nation. Teaching evolution and "banning" prayer hasn't ruined our schools.

But we are still a christian country: 83% of Americans identify themselves as such.

Edit: 40's been using 70%. I got my number from ABCNews but either way, both numbers are a clear majority.

I guess that brings into question, if a person identifies themselves with being a Christian, does that make them a Christian? According to many on this board it doesn't.

If they don't attend church or try diligently to live a Christian life, doe the fact they identify with Christianity make them Christians?

If in fact it doesn't, I believe your 70% number is extremely flawed.

We've had trans-sexual, trans-racial now we got trans-spiritual?

You also are wrong! He is stating his misguided opinion while I am stating Facts. Christians should and do in fact carry weight in the running of this Great Nation.

and Trans-dimensional, Transcendental, and Transunion?

J/C

One of my issues with the Bible is why didn't Jesus/God ever speak for themselves? His disciples did, and other people/prophets did, but Jesus himself never bothered. Why isn't there a Book of Jesus in the Bible? He supposedly spoke to other people, so you can't use the "direct" contact would be lethal excuse that goes back to Exodus and the burning bush rather than seeing God directly. He/God/The Holy Spirit are said to be a triumvirate or three in one, so if God is all knowing Jesus would have had to have been literate, right?

It must be around lunch time because the first thing that came to mind for me was Trans fat.

We should have a meeting and discuss it. I recommend we meet at the TransAmerica building.

He probably didn't have time. All that walking around and healing people, you know.

I'll need to track down some "trans"-portation,