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It was posted here, a few months back.

Sour grapes from Teddy.

Still, I wish we woulda picked him.

shoulda/woulda/coulda

The only thing I get from it..

Is that we werent the only ones that had Manziel rated higher than Teddy..

In other news...

we landed on the moon!

This thread needs a tampon.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax

The funny thing is if Minny had pulled off the trade for Manziel, we would likely have drafted Teddy.

Farmer would be hailed on here as being the best GM we've ever had. Little would the people know that he was saved from himself. So much goes on behind the scenes that people just don't know about. This stuff is nuanced, it's not as black and white as people make it out to be.

That is, if Teddy had played well here, which there was no guarantee of. Fans would have been calling for his head after his first game. He would have been labeled a bust. Captain checkdown. Not enough arm to get it down the field. He had would have zero chance to improve and grow as one or two games would be all the Cleveland faithful would need to see. That's how Cleveland fans roll.

The bottom line is it's over and done with. I said this before ...the only time it should be discussed is if it's brought up under the appropriate context...which it really never is.

In doing research for another thread a few weeks ago, I came to the conclusion that Ray Farmer was actually a big Derek Carr fan. I think it's incredibly possible that had Manziel been off the board we would have taken Carr in lieu of Bridgewater...

And we'd be light-years ahead where we are now. We likely wouldn't have signed McCown either.

Who knows, maybe even had a mini playoff appearance.

Behind the line Manziel had? I think Derek would have gone the way of David. But it's all conjecture at this point.

Really I think Farmer is a big Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck fan. If either one had been available at our pick, he'd have chosen them instead....

The offensive line wasn't deficient. Hoyer was only sacked 24 times on 438 dropbacks. That puts him smack in the middle of a lot of other successful QB's. They just had no faith in Manziel. The amount of disrespect his teammates leveled at him was staggering. I can't remember another instance where a team turned on one of its own so viciously. Ryan Leaf, maybe? I can't see them just laying down for any rookie QB. They had to see something in Manziel that turned them off to a considerable degree. They were just utterly defeated and uncaring slugs once Johnny was handed the reins.

He came into the huddle and didn't now the plays?

like i said. he made the o-line look better than it is. dont know if anyone notic but first 5 game with mack 6 sacks. 3 the first game againts pukesburge. scramble 6 times through those games. mack went down and it almost double the next 5 game to 11 sack and 11 scramble.

but he didnt have pressure right up the middle. just ask eo. lmao

then poor johnny 3 sack in 26 attempt and poor shaw. 4 sack in 28 attempt. but hoyer didnt make the o-line look better. pffft

Are you trying to say that we have a bad offensive line?

no. i am saying bad QBs make our line look bad and smart QBs make our line look good. mCcown is known for hanging onto the ball too long and he is going to hold on to the ball too long. shaw and johnny were indecisive and made our o-line look far worse than it was.

In their defense, they were rookies...

A lot of how the offense works will fall back on the running game, no matter who is under center at QB.

I noticed a steady decline in pass protection after Alex Mack went down. It was kind of all over the place. I also don't think Mitchell Schwartz is very good in pass protection. Even with a healthy Mack, he was our weak link on the right side.

Has McCown ever played behind a good offensive line? I guess we'll find out one way or another whether we like it or not...

The bottom line is it's over and done with. I said this before ...the only time it should be discussed is if it's brought up under the appropriate context...which it really never is.

The only appropriate context would be if we were playing the Vikes. We're not. Who cares about Teddy? I hope he has a great career, but really, who cares?

It all depends on if you wish to look at things in a microscope. If all you wish to discuss is who is on our roster, our team, at this present point in time, there's really no sense talking about anything else in the NFL.

However, if you wish to open discussions up to how the people in power evaluate talent at the skill positions, their draft record, their decision making and how they've handled the biggest question on our team, the QB position, it's extremely relative.

I'm not really a microscope person and I think expecting everyone else to conform to that thought process is laughable.

I thought I sort of pointed out that if you wish not do discuss how he has handled the QB position so far, there would be no need to discuss Teddy.

Some do pretty much what you do tab.

You talk about how much improved you think this team will be. Now that's before they've taken a snap this year. So that's based on your opinion. I don't see why that holds any more merit than those who have a negative opinion on how Farmer handled the QB position in last years draft. You just don't like hearing that opinion.

I don't believe I even mentioned the draft as a whole. Most think he did pretty good in the draft as a whole. I don't disagree with that. And you are the first one I've even seen mentioned the term "dunce".

The biggest hold back this team has is at the QB position. If you wish to ignore discussing decisions made at the QB position, so be it. But you can't expect everyone to.

Once again, you try to make it sound as though everyone not happy with Farmers decision to draft Manziel and leave Bridgewater on the board hates Farmer, or wants him fired, or is trying to say he sucks. That's simply not true.

Maybe you should take things in context rather than trying to see things that simply aren't there.

I live within 20 minutes of Nashville. I'm sure I hear and see more of Mariota than you do. lol

The problem being, I see everything reported from teams in OTA's as PR, fluff and coaches trying to give positive re-enforcement to their players.

From reading your posts, I'd say we are very close in age. I've seen this movie year after year for what seems like forever. It gets the players pumped, the fans pumped.................. Then the season begins.

Why are yall bringing this depressing topic back to life?

Mariotta can have early success if they keep things very simple and allow him to learn then grow the playbook and learn some more and then grow the playbook. If I am gonna play a rookie this is my approach. I liked that he has shown good accuracy early on as that was the area I thought he may struggle with especially early as these guys are more often throwing to an empty spot than leading a receiver properly. I think this will be the most interesting QB battle. mettleberger is no slouch and he has a lot of support down there.

Teddy looked good from what I saw of their camp. Looks like he is physically maturing a bit. should be a fun team to watch grow.

Because he was trying to mock me and get others to join in.

No other reason.

That's Vambo.

I think it's fair in that neither opinion has reached its fruition. What we certainly agree on is that it's all opinion.

I believe when veterans are signed there is a body of work that establishes something concrete to base an opinion on. If you wish to be contrary to their record and play, I believe there will be people pointing out the obvious.

I believe everyone has their own opinions. I believe some opinions are based on what we've seen, while others are more based on what they hope they will see.

LOL. Ain't that the truth.

Reminds of the famous Mike Tyson quote. "Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Yup.... Its so friggin sad....And if you question anything your attacked, gotta wonder what it takes for folks to learn. Whatever that is it still hasn't hit home yet.....

Then take every conversation down this road. Do it in every football thread. Do it in the Cavs thread. Insert it into the Everything Else threads. Expand people's horizons. Educate them on Farmer's draft history. Scream it. Preach it. Get out of that microscope bro! LOL. Don't let otto hold you down!

Sorry, but I'm not an NBA fan. I root for the Cavs, but I think it takes a lot more than that to call yourself a fan.

Point being, you have to look at everything. This is a Teddy Bridgewater thread after all.

I'm certainly not going to say you are wrong tab. But I do strongly disagree with you.

The reason being is that McCown has been in the league for 12 years. He has never in that time, led a team to winning their division. Now we can debate that he's never played behind an OL this good or never been given the opportunity. But I'm basing my opinion on a long career with several teams.

I'm also going to base it on our teams history of not having the ability to keep a QB upright for 16 games.

I don't believe it's impossible for me to be wrong. However, considering the history of which I'm basing my opinion on, I like my odds to be right better.

But I certainly hope your opinion wins out.

I don't think it's impossible to go 8-8 or 9-7 with McCown at the helm. It would probably be the exception, and not the rule, but he's shown flashes of game management potential. I know that's a cringe-inducing description, but we all know deep down we'd gladly take that. I'm not expecting much. He held down the for a brief spell in Chicago. He wasn't good, but he wasn't terrible.

And you bring up a valid point of the equation. The OL keeping the QB clean has a lot to do with the QB himself.