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prisco "There is some young talent on the team, but they are still a long ways away from competing for a playoff spot. Throw Brady Quinn in there and chalk it up as a learning year." Are you kidding me??? I know, Prisco is a moron and who cares what the media thinks? I guess this just goes to show that potential means nothing and respect will not be given until it is earned on the field. I just thought we'd be higher than we were when the season ended. There is no way on Earth we could be any worse. I hope this just adds fuel to our fire and we prove all these jerks wrong. Especially those idiot Cowboy fans who think that Darren McFadden is going to just fall in their lap as the #1 overall pick in 2008. Just not happening.
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It's a little early to be getting upset over power rankings, don't you think?
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from now until the day of the superbowl, power-rankings are completely useless. especially after the top three positions.
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I guess this just goes to show that potential means nothing and respect will not be given until it is earned on the field
Well duh... look we've stunk for many years. 1 pro bowl selection in 7 years epitimizes the overall disfunction we've endured with two lame duck football operations. Thankfully it looks like Savage is much better than the last two. But yea, until this team actually proves they can do something then respect will be withheld. I don't agree we're dead last and think this team has the potential for 8 or 9 wins. But until that potential results in something more than crap, we're left with the stains of Policy and Davis.
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Yes Jules, I do. Which is why I somewhat tempered my rant. Albeit unsuccessfully, I suppose. His comments about throwing BQ in there and just chalking it up are what irk me. Like we're an expansion team or something. I mean, I know we're a young team, but we're really not that far away.
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And then we have.... clark judge Five who thrived: Picking the offseason winners It doesn't get any better than this, Cleveland: Your football team finally has an offensive line and may, just may, have a franchise quarterback, too. Brady Quinn brings loads of college experience to Cleveland. (Getty Images) Look, I wasn't all that thrilled about the club passing on running back Adrian Peterson, either, especially when it ranked 31st in rushing. But if you're going in another direction, you go in the direction of tackle Joe Thomas, and that's what the Browns did. In Thomas, they have a franchise left tackle for the next decade and the perfect partner for Pro Bowl-caliber guard Eric Steinbach. But they have more than that. They have a legitimate offensive line for the first time since the club returned to the NFL in 1999, and that's huge. The Browns understand that if they're to improve their running game, they can go one of two directions: 1) Invest in linemen or 2) Invest in a premier back. Arizona took the second option a year ago with Edgerrin James, and look what it did for them. That's why the Cardinals exercised their first pick in this year's draft on tackle Levi Brown. OK, so I'm not sold on veteran running back Jamal Lewis, but maybe Cleveland can squeeze one year out of the guy. If they can, they can look for a back in next year's draft or stand in line for free-agent-to-be Michael Turner, it doesn't matter. What does matter is they have one piece of the puzzle solved. Correction: Make that two, after stealing quarterback Brady Quinn with the 22nd pick. Quinn was a four-year starter, and those guys are rare -- especially when they produce the numbers Quinn did his last two years at Notre Dame. Maybe he doesn't evolve into a great quarterback, but I'll take my chances that he becomes a good one. And that's what Cleveland needs: Stability at that position. Sure, the Browns made other moves, like the additions of Seth McKinney, Robaire Smith, Antwan Peek and rookie Eric Wright, but it's their determination to improve two critical elements of the league's 31st-ranked offense that make them better. Cleveland is not going to win its division -- not yet -- but finally, it's taking the necessary steps to get there.
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I don't care about power rankings and what not, in fact the only two ranking that mean anything are the BCS and the college baseball rankings. Anyhow....I will agree with on thing. I am getting tired of all these people around here (dallas fans) acting like they are going to get a top five pick for the trade....But i suppose until we prove otherwise we are always going to be treated like that.
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Well, I guess there's no where to go but up!  Who gives a flying **** about what anyone says at this point. New Orleans and New York came out of nowhere last season while potential playoff contenders Cinci, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Atlanta, St. Louis. etc. were average to dissapointing. Someone has to be #32 and it just happens to be us. My guess is it takes one week to move out of that spot.
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I find it funny that we're ranked behind teams that year in and year out flounder due to ignoring their weaknesses.
This year we FINALLY took care of our weaknesses, and we're in dead last?
Something smells here.
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We'll climb the rankings if we win...and we'll stay near the bottom if we continue losing. We drafted 3rd for a reason. Houston and Tampa Bay both beat us, remember (they drafted near the top of the draft too)? I can maybe see about having the Raiders above us but they actually have a good defense but horrible offense. I don't see us having a good anything. Maybe this year that will change....but it hasn't happened yet.
Free agency aside, we still have Frye under center at the start of the year, we have an old RB, we didn't really rebuild a D that couldn't stop the run, and most of the good news is based on draft picks (that we don't know how will pan out).
We are still one of the worst teams in the league. I don't care what we added. Until we win, we're one of the worst.*
*Listen, I think we'll be better but that's only my opinion and it hasn't happened yet. So why should Pete Prisco rank us higher based on optimism alone?
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Oakland and Detroit had worse seasons than us, didn't have as good of a draft as us, and they are still ranked above us. how does that work? what kills me here is that he doesn't specify why he has us ranked there.
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you can't really take these things to heart... if thats what they think, then thats what they think..
we have done fairly poor for the past couple of seasons.. and then finished last year losing like 4 games in a row... not nothing to really build on except the fact that we had a good draft...
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"doesn't specify why he has us ranked there."
Because we stink,and have done so since '99.Two things you can count on in the fall,turning the clocks back,and the Browns stinking.Win a few football games and that will change.
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Because we stink,and have done so since '99.Two things you can count on in the fall,turning the clocks back,and the Browns stinking.
Geez, so much for that post-draft optimism. I guess the honeymoon is over.
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should be ranked higher but all the media is anti briwns
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Well, I can't get all worked up about being ranked last. Seems to me that arguing about who among the worst eight teams in the league should be ranked above the other is a pointless exercise. I'll start caring about where we're "ranked" once we crack the top 16!
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Because we stink,and have done so since '99.Two things you can count on in the fall,turning the clocks back,and the Browns stinking.Win a few football games and that will change.
well like i said, he doesn't specify why he ranked us last. and your insightful sunshine doesn't exactly explain it very well either. are you insinuating that Oakland/Detroit/Tampa Bay/Arizona/Washington/Minnesota/Houston/Miami/Atlanta don't suck?
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I find it funny that we're ranked behind teams that year in and year out flounder due to ignoring their weaknesses.
This year we FINALLY took care of our weaknesses, and we're in dead last?
Something smells here.
Not that I'm going to get too caught up with this ranking thing, but what you said Ammo couldn't be truer. Actually, we've continued to upgrade our weaknesses the last three years.
What sucks for us (and not for team like San Fran - who I actually think is much worse than us) is that we play in the AFC North.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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guess this just goes to show that potential means nothing and respect will not be given until it is earned on the field
What's wrong with that?
First off,, who cares what a preseason power ranking says... This is one guy, sitting in a room, smoking a big ole smelly cigar with nothing better to do.. man, there isn't any real science to it..
Secondly, like I said, what's wrong with having to earn it on the field?
Tell you true, if he ranked the Browns number 1, I'd still be thinking he's a dolt!
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We add Quinn Thomas Steinbach and other starters on defense and yet we go down to 32nd. I love that logic.
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Who cares ?!
It's Pete Fricking Prisco.
Nuff said.
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I didn't look at the rankings for two reasons,one,they are meaningless in May,well anytime actually.And two,I think Prisco is an idiot.So,the Brown have won ,what,13 games the past three years?Who on your list of teams did we beat last year?Oakland.They now have Russell,in the eyes of most sports journalists he vastly improves the team.#1 pick hype.
To the national media,the Browns are a bad football team,and when,or if,we ever turn it around,then they'll be jumping all over us.Until that time,we'll be ranked at the bottom.And quite frankly that's where we belong.
So if you want to get all worked up over what some idiot like Prisco predicts,have at it.Until I see otherwise,I rank them there myself.
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We stunk on offense and defense last year. The Raiders had a very good defense but a terrible QB and Oline. They upgraded the QB and RB not sure what they are doing with their line.
We improved our offense on paper with a new QB, LT and LG. Our RB situation is uncertain as well as the right side of the line as of now even though it looks to be better.
We improved our CB position with a guy who played in 13 games in college. We bettered one end spot by getting rid of McKinley and adding Robaire. We lost Eason which moves Fraser up in the depth chart I believe. We might have upgraded our backup nose. Our Lbs should be better because of their youth.
Our offense should be able to score more points then last year. I'm not sure our defense will be much better. I can see his case that the Raiders might have passed us. We all know we were decimated by injuries last year but I'm not sure these guys ever take that into account.
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This is garbage the Patriots will kill everyone including the colts. The browns will not be in dead last... 
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Everything you say is true.But,at the same time this is May,and I've yet to hear a team say they had a bad draft,or a poor off season. We have some good,young football players with alot of the P-word.But right now,that's all we have-Potential.On paper this is the most talented team we have put on the field in quite some time.We're closing that gap,slowly.
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Exactly - on paper. Show that improvement on the field and we'll be working our way up a lot of lists. I'm not too concerned with power rankings rigth now.
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oh, i wasn't aware we played all of those teams last year. my bad.
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Exactly - on paper. Show that improvement on the field and we'll be working our way up a lot of lists. I'm not too concerned with power rankings rigth now.
Just curious....who should the Browns be ahead of on the list?
What ranking do you feel is appropriate?
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Exactly - on paper. Show that improvement on the field and we'll be working our way up a lot of lists. I'm not too concerned with power rankings rigth now.
Just curious....who should the Browns be ahead of on the list?
What ranking do you feel is appropriate?
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JMHO of course here Hack, but I think we should at least be higher than the teams we beat last year and those that did virtually nothing to help themselves through the draft or free agency. Miami comes to mind because they have no QB as of the moment and they did nothing to bolster their offensive line. We were #31 at the end of last season and now, eventhough we added some decent free agents and had a Top 5 draft, we're ranked lower. It just makes no sense. But I should know better than to even post power rankings on here cuz' of course everyone thinks they're meaningless. Just remember that when the day comes and we're in the top 10.
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Exactly - on paper. Show that improvement on the field and we'll be working our way up a lot of lists. I'm not too concerned with power rankings rigth now.
Just curious....who should the Browns be ahead of on the list?
What ranking do you feel is appropriate?
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I could see us ahead of Houston, Buffalo, Washington, Tampa Bay and Green Bay, and possibly even Miami. But given past performances, we are probably right where we deserve to be.
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Hack, the only team I see us ahead of is maybe the Raiders. And I could make an argument for having them ahead of us too. So I think the ranking is spot on. We couldn't beat good or bad teams last year....we deserve to be at the bottom (or very, very close to it).
The offseason additions through free agency and the draft were all nice for us, but I've yet to see them play so I can't give us points for something we don't know about yet. Well, I can see giving us extra points for Steinbach....but that's about it. And each other team raised their talent level too. So the offseason additions are a wash in that sense.
32 is fine with me. I can't say the truth doesn't hurt, it does, but it's the truth.
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I believe we should be ranked at #30 with Detroit at #31 and Oakland at #32.
It all gets proven on the field, not in meeting rooms and draft war rooms.... so, until we prove otherwise on the field we should be ranked right where we left off at.... 3rd worst in the league.
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Okay, with me. We got 'em where we want 'em! It's not where you start but where you finish, which counts. I hope the other teams play us with an attitude that the Browns are going to be pushovers. Thanx Pete, for helping us setting up our opponents. Go ahead rate us as low as you want....we'll see in December if those so-called experts (Prisco et all) are eating crow.
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did oakland, detroit, arizona, and houston leave the nfl?
the browns aren't the worst team in the league...
if you stuck them in the nfc west, you're looking at an 8-8 team, easily...
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I like our the Cardnials are ranked 13th if that tells you anything. They only thing they did to improve was grab Brown with the 5th pick who si replacing leonard Davis...umm doesnt sound like a huge upgrade right away to me.
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Eh, the team that starts last on these dumb things never ends up staying there. Not a big deal.
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the browns aren't the worst team in the league...
if you stuck them in the nfc west, you're looking at an 8-8 team, easily...
Houston, Buffalo, Washington, Tampa Bay and Green Bay, and possibly even Miami
Just taking a quick look at the teams mentioned above...compared to last years Browns..
First TOTAL DEF
1)OAKLAND - 3rd
2)MIAMI - 4th
3)GREEN BAY - 12th
4)TAMPA BAY - 17th
5)BUFFALO - 18th
6)HOUSTON - 24th
7)CLEVELAND - 27th
8)DETROIT - 28th
9)ARIZONA - 29th
10)WASHINGTON - 31st
now TOTAL OFFENSE
1)GREEN BAY - 9th
2)WASHINGTON - 13th
3)ARIZONA - 18th
4)MIAMI - 20th
5)DETROIT - 22nd
6)HOUSTON - 28th
7)TAMPA BAY - 29th
8)BUFFALO - 30th
9)CLEVELAND - 31st
10)OAKLAND - 32nd
If you add those two totals together....the higher the numbers...the worst teams would obviously have the higher numbers....but what can be seen is that more production on Offense and Defense...does not always mean more W's
Green Bay 21
Miami 24
Oakland 35
Washington 44
Tampa Bay 46
Arizona 47
Buffalo 48
Detroit 50
Houston 52
Cleveland 58
Just for kicks Im adding in a few more teams
Pitt 16
Cinnci 38
San Diego 14
Balt 18
Indy 25
Chicago 20
Phila 17
Dallas 18
NE 17
Tenn 59
Might help explain the ranked last
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