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Nikki Haley says the flag may represent the past, but it no place in the future. Say goodbye to our Indians and their logo. They are marching in DC against the Redskins and their logo. So far no one is offended by the American Flag, so far. Pittsburgh offends me, anyone else? It doesn't say you can't fly it, it just says it won't fly over any government buildings. Which in my opinion is reasonable. It's not the national flag, it's not the state flag,,, It has no official designation other than a historic one.
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Nikki Haley says the flag may represent the past, but it no place in the future. Say goodbye to our Indians and their logo. They are marching in DC against the Redskins and their logo. So far no one is offended by the American Flag, so far. Pittsburgh offends me, anyone else? So are you crying about this or are you offended by people wanting to change things?
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended.
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended. My grandpa would be so ashamed of how much, truly, people get offended over things he'd not even blink an eye or pass gas over. However, when society provides that security blanket, that "ear" that listens and that mouth that joins in all the bitching - it will only get worse as more hop onboard.
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended. My grandpa would be so ashamed of how much, truly, people get offended over things he'd not even blink an eye or pass gas over. However, when society provides that security blanket, that "ear" that listens and that mouth that joins in all the bitching - it will only get worse as more hop onboard. Doesn't hurt to have the Liberal Press backing you up and wiping your tears, now do it?
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My grandpa would be so ashamed of how much, truly, people get offended over things he'd not even blink an eye or pass gas over. There was a time, not too terribly long ago in this country, and your grandpa probably lived through a lot of it... when people didn't have a voice to be offended. Blacks, gays, Native Americans, even women.. they couldn't speak up so they didn't. And I say that because my grandfather was the same way.. he wouldn't have understood it because the social norm at the time was people just accepted it, that doesn't make it right. Hell you got the right to vote and you get to drink from my water fountain... what more do you want?
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended. Well then try not to cry about being offended.
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended. My grandpa would be so ashamed of how much, truly, people get offended over things he'd not even blink an eye or pass gas over. However, when society provides that security blanket, that "ear" that listens and that mouth that joins in all the bitching - it will only get worse as more hop onboard. Doesn't hurt to have the Liberal Press backing you up and wiping your tears, now do it? I heard a humorist named James Lileks on the radio recently saying that America's melting pot had turned into a quivering bowl of grievance pudding. I LOL'ed.
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Was he whining when he said it?
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I heard a humorist named James Lileks on the radio recently saying that America's melting pot had turned into a quivering bowl of grievance pudding. I LOL'ed. Never heard of the guy so I looked him up.. first thing I saw was that he has a daughter named Natalie, whom he used to refer to as Gnat... then she got a little bigger and didn't like him using that nickname on his show and in his blogs so he quit out of respect for her.... he should have just called her a crybaby and told her to shut the hell up...  I guess only the feelings of people close to you really matter.
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Just making a point that the crying, offended class is easily offended. My grandpa would be so ashamed of how much, truly, people get offended over things he'd not even blink an eye or pass gas over. However, when society provides that security blanket, that "ear" that listens and that mouth that joins in all the bitching - it will only get worse as more hop onboard. Doesn't hurt to have the Liberal Press backing you up and wiping your tears, now do it? I heard a humorist named James Lileks on the radio recently saying that America's melting pot had turned into a quivering bowl of grievance pudding. I LOL'ed. That's a good one, everyone wins a trophy for that one, otherwise they may be offended or their self esteem hurt! Welcome to Weenie World!
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LOOK! In the Sky! It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's a FLAG!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. sniff. 
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I'm new to this discussion.
I actually just brought this up on Facebook last night.
Over the course of the last week or so I've been seeing A LOT of head lines via social media and various news articles where the Confederate flag was the primary focal point. I didn't really think anything of it until I saw one of them stating it should be banned. So I decided I wanted to read into it more, and hear some opinions.
To me, I don't think banning the flag solves any of the real problems.
How will taking down the confederate flag prevent racism and violence? It won't. It will stop racism and violence about as effectively as stricter gun control will stop crazy people from killing. There are 323 million Americans, that's a lot of ideology and free will. Racism and violence sadly are just two things that won't ever cease to exist.
Banning the flag doesn't solve anything, in fact, doing that is only going to create MORE problems because as we all know, most Americans HATE being told what to do by their Government especially when they feel like their rights are being threatened. Telling someone they can't hang a flag they believe in up in their front yard is a big no no.
Now personally, I don't have a horse in the race. I could care less about the Confederate flag. I'm from Grove City, Ohio. I didn't grow up down south, so it holds no special value to me. But the fact that my neighbor might have one in his front yard doesn't infringe on any of my rights and nor does it effect my day to day life. Why do I care what he has raised in his front yard?
Anyway.
Just my two cents.
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This is hardly an issue of the overly sensitive. If one can't see why that flag being sanctioned by government could be offensive to someone, then that person lacks empathy. Take, for instance, Chief Wahoo. To me, he is a symbol of my childhood and my city. I don't want him to go away. But I can't pretend that there isn't a legitimate gripe to be had about his presence. And this goes deeper than Wahoo. We're talking about the flag flying on government property. I can understand the idea of heritage, but let's not pretend this is a bunch of thin skinned people whining because they have nothing better to do.
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Re Lileks, check out his "Gallery Of Regrettable Foods". http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/Although maybe this should have gone on the fat American thread ...
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I pretty much agree with you.
Taking the flag down - while fine with me - stops nothing. It changes nothing.
It's a symbolic move that deters the problem in no manner.
And again, I'm fine with them doing it - but it will solve not one single problem. (other than image that outsiders may have).
And one last caveat: Some people will see this as a positive, and overall, it is - but it won't change any racists thought process.
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It starts a conversation. I think that's the first step in changing race relations in this country.
Think about it, Arch. The only time race is brought up is when tragedies like this happen. It's a total shame that a majority of America buries their head in the sand to the major issues affecting American society in today's day and age.
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How many of the tragic events we hear about on the news are actually race fueled though? The media sticks them in the microwave and out pops a "racially driven" act of violence that get's fed to everyone. Do you guys actually think racism is at an all time high? Or just that the media wants to spin it to create controversy...
I'm not referring to the church shooting, obviously that WAS a racism fueled hate crime.
Maybe to be more specific as to the point I'm trying to make, let's look at the incident that took place in Texas a few weeks back where the police officer drew his gun on two black teenagers. Video evidence showed these two black teenagers stepping up on him from behind in a fighting stance. The officer felt threatened and drew his weapon. Basically the general public perception that was fed to people was that the officer wasn't in any danger, he just pulled his weapon cause he's racist. Had this story been about cops breaking up an all white teenage pool party, It wouldn't have even sniffed national news...
The officer had to resign though, after 10 years on the job.
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Do you guys actually think racism is at an all time high? Yes. Schools are more segregated today than they were before Brown v. Board of Education.
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Some people will see this as a positive, and overall, it is - but it won't change any racists thought process. I'll agree with you, but at least it's heading in the right direction.
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Cleveland schools rank as some of the most segregated in the country.
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I pretty much agree with you.
Taking the flag down - while fine with me - stops nothing. It changes nothing.
It's a symbolic move that deters the problem in no manner.
And again, I'm fine with them doing it - but it will solve not one single problem. (other than image that outsiders may have).
And one last caveat: Some people will see this as a positive, and overall, it is - but it won't change any racists thought process. I agree with you 99%. My 1% reservation is that doesn't symbolism matter, on some level? The optimist says yes. The pessimist says no. And please don't think I'm judging the pessimist. Sadly, the pessimist is usually correct.
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I think it's really important on many levels to not let the state sanction and support its revolution.
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Best buy your redneck paraphernalia now and don't wait for the Christmas rush. Amazon just pulled all it's confederate flag merchandise.
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LOOK! In the Sky! It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's a FLAG!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. sniff. Your about the only one whining about having it taken down. LOL 
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Amazon officially banning Confederate flag merchandise sales....
Well.
Problem solved.
Congratulations everyone.
Racism is now over.
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Amazon officially banning Confederate flag merchandise sales....
Well.
Problem solved.
Congratulations everyone.
Racism is now over. All in a days work. Case CLOSED!
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LOOK! In the Sky! It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's a FLAG!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. sniff. Your about the only one whining about having it taken down. LOL DUH DOH maybe because I live in the South and see this issue differently from you northern boys who it has no effect on. Try thinking before you gripe. 
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It's a step in the correct direction. Now if we just work on fixing race relations and the lack of economic opportunity for minorities.
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Amazon officially banning Confederate flag merchandise sales....
Well.
Problem solved.
Congratulations everyone.
Racism is now over. Someone forgot to tell Hillary that flag is about hate, not heritage as her 2008 campaign button suggests.  
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Well I have done some asking around here in the Southland and
it seems most folks are not all that attached to the Stars and
Bars anymore. Their parents and Grandparents were though.
Most agreed you can take down the flags if it will get them
Northern Liberals to unbunch their panties and go home.
Also got busted by some on when am I gonna fix that Indians
name and logo. They said they were gonna start a petition about
it, ha ha ha. Guess they are offended and such.
So take it down folks. I am happy to have had a part in ending racism in America.
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I think calling something offensive is relative.
Anything can be offensive to the right party.
Condoms could be offensive to a recovering sex addict, or someone practicing abstinence, or a Christian extremist. A Bible in the book section could be offensive to an atheist or Muslim American. A little girl bringing a CD up to her parents with Miley Cyrus twerking on the cover could be offensive to her parents. Do we ban those too?
I understand that the confederate flag symbolizes racism and hate to some, but where do you draw the line on what you ban because it's offensive? I would also be willing to bet money that a lot of Southerns are proud of said flag that ARE NOT racists, but their proud of it for other reasons entirely...
Banning the confederate flag is a knee jerk reaction generated from public outrage that the media created cause of this shooting that took place last week.
I'm not from the South, so it being banned doesn't affect me, I just don't like where banning it could lead us later on. Where do you draw the line on what's offensive and what should be banned from stores?
Banning the confederate flag doesn't solve a single damn problem.
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they are just banning it from government buildings, why are you against that?
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Nothing is actually "banned". The stores willingly took the items down. Ebay set the precedent and others followed. I didn't believe such items should be banned. But, the flag doesn't belong above a government building. Where do you draw the line on what's offensive and what should be banned from stores? Objects that were used to oppress humans based on superficial qualities such as skin color, religion, and other things need to be frowned upon in society. Let businesses find the moral compass.
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Amazon officially banning Confederate flag merchandise sales....
Well.
Problem solved.
Congratulations everyone.
Racism is now over. Someone forgot to tell Hillary that flag is about hate, not heritage as her 2008 campaign button suggests. You know, Clinton can do wrong...
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jc http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/
(CNN)America's leading merchants have spoken: The Confederate flag is coming off the shelves.
Walmart, Amazon, eBay and Sears all announced bans on the sale of Confederate flag merchandise, amid an intensifying national debate over the use of the controversial flag.
The announcements are the latest indication that the flag, a symbol of the slave-holding South, has become toxic in the aftermath of a shooting last week at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina. Gov. Nikki Haley announced in a Monday afternoon news conference that she supports removing the Confederate flag from the state capitol grounds.
A decade after the end of the Civil War, a veteran of the Confederate States of America examines a Union water bottle in front of a Confederate flag in 1875. Here's a look at the evolution of that flag:
Evolution of the Confederate flag 6 photos
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"We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the confederate flag from our assortment -- whether in our stores or on our web site," said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. "We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly -- this is one of those instances."
A spokesperson for Amazon told CNN Tuesday afternoon that the company would also remove Confederate flag merchandise.
Johnna Hoff, an eBay spokesperson, said that the Confederate flag has "become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism." It is banning the sale of Confederate flags and "many items containing this image," Hoff said.
RELATED: Nikki Haley calls for removal of Confederate flag
The three companies' statements came in response to a CNN inquiry Monday.
Sears Holdings Corporation, which operates Sears and Kmart, also said it would remove confederate flag merchandise sold by third-party vendors online. It does not currently sell confederate flags at its stores, Sears Holdings spokesman Chris Brathwaite told CNN.
As of Monday, Walmart.com carried the Confederate flag as well as attire featuring the flag's design, such as T-shirts and belt buckles, and the auction site eBay also carried the Confederate flag and accessories such as handbags and jewelry. Amazon.com list pages of Confederate flag-related products, ranging from the flag itself to folding knives, T-shirts, blankets and even shower curtains).
Sales of three versions of the flag were up 1,670% to 2,305% over a period of 24 hours, according to Amazon data. One of those flags, priced at $1.80 plus shipping, is currently the ninth best-selling item in the Patio, Lawn & Garden department and the top-selling item among all outdoor flags and banners sold on Amazon.
The long-running debate over displaying the Confederate flag on government buildings took a swift turn after last week's massacre in Charleston, which left nine African-Americans dead in their church. The shooter, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, has confessed to the murders and has said he wanted to instigate a "race war."
One widely circulated photo of the shooter holding a gun and a Confederate flag has stirred intense outrage. Critics of the flag quickly called on South Carolina to take down what is widely viewed as a symbol of racism.
Haley on Monday declared it was time to remove the flag from the capitol grounds.
"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers.
Haley was surrounded by many of the state's elected officials, including Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn and Republican Rep. Mark Sanford.
Many of the 2016 GOP presidential candidates and likely candidates -- including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker -- voiced their support for Haley's decision following her speech.
Highlighted part - talk about opening a can of worms. I could find tons of stuff in Walmart that if I so chose, could be offended by. Like every "USA" item made in China. They are free to do business as they wish, but your spokesperson should have a better reason than that generic statement.
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I didn't know that it was just Government buildings taking them down. The way some of these news outlets I've been keeping up with are spinning these stories it's like the Confederate flag is being made illegal all together. I still don't really understand why these stores and outlet websites are taking them down though.... I mean, Amazon sells Swastika and Nazi memorabilia, and you can get on eBay and buy porn and hardcore sex toys. You can make the same kind of argument that both are offensive and have no place in society. Confederate Flag History Lesson. As outlined in the link, a lot of Southerners who aren't racist at all see the flag as a symbol of heritage and pride and do it to honor their ancestors who died in the civil war. I ask this... What if a photo of Roof holding a bottle of Heinz ketchup been spread on the internet. Does public opinion on Heinz ketchup suddenly change causing mass outrage? It's two completely different things, I understand that. I'm just looking at this whole situation from a different view point. What I don't like is how it seems like over night this entire Confederate flag debate has escalated merely cause main stream and social media told us to hate the thing and that it was bad.
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Heinz Ketchup hasn't been used to oppress individuals based on skin color. That flag has.
One could make the same argument with the American flag, but we've evolved as a country. The confederates never evolved. Instead, they were defeated in a bitter war that was rooted in being rebel because they didn't like being told what to do. The north said "no more slaves", and the south said "Nope, you can't tell us what to do."
This whole "state's rights" business is just a cover for the real reasons. Look up the declarations of separation from all of the southern states. They all state something along the lines of "wishing to secede from a union to protect our human capital which funds our cotton industry.".
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