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And how soon did the pic come out tab?
The day after it was taken, two days later, a week later?
It's a straw man debate here. What we do know is that there is NO reason to roll up a $20 dollar bill in a bathroom other than to snort cocaine.
From there we can guess, make up hopeful or terrible scenarios. But the pic is worth a thousand words.
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From there we can guess, make up hopeful or terrible scenarios. But the pic is worth a thousand words. the pic and 73 days in rehab says it all. jmo.
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only a cheap whore or a party guy wanna be snorts coke from a bathroom counter through a rolled up bill.
That said, I agree the pic and the days in rehab speak volumes
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Disclaimer: My posts are a combination of Facts, and conclusion I have reached based on those facts. If your weak minded you probably shouldn't read my posts. Thanks for understanding.You misspelled you're little fella... Maybe someone else is weak minded?... 
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Who said Johnny was a "coke freak?"
I know I said that pic was pretty damning, and if you really look at it......it is.
Look tab, you did the same thing w/Gordon. Of course, you had hundreds of posters who agreed w/you at that time. You guys beat the crap out of me because I said we should concentrate more on getting him help than trying to circumvent the rules. How did that turn out for you guys?
Look, your argument is not credible in my eyes. Did you really say he wasn't doing coke because it was a $20 bill instead of a $100 bill? What? [oh, I wish you could hear my tone of voice when I say..."What?" I had a student this year who said it perfectly all the time. Someone would say something crazy and I would just say "Chase," and he would say "What?"---Hilarious.]
One question, tab.............so what was Johnny doing w/that rolled up $20 bill? No one was laughing. No one was smiling. He wasn't mocking for the camera. He was looking at it intently and the guy next to him was watching it. No grins. No smiles. All business. What does that suggest to you?
Nevermind...........I already know what you will say.
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Yeah I know a lot of one way thinking... 
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Never said you said he was a coke freak...those who claim it wasn't Alcohol that got him in rehab that it had to be DRUGS and him rolling up a bill is evidence. That is what I'm debating here Vers. I stated right out that in all his partying I think somewhere along the lines he more than probably did some Coke. I'll give all that. I however don't think it was his problem with his effort with the Browns and eventual Rehab stint.
I gave my reasons. He would be probably the first druggy to need Rehab that didn't fail a drug test or get suspension from the NFL.
Pit....for a guy who knows all about these pics and what they mean all of a suddenly you become conveniently ignorant about them. HOW LONG? Could have been days.
Yep like if it was days then it couldn't have been a Photo Shop thingy? Right but all other TWEETS INSTAGRAM those are well pretty INSTANT aren't there...all of a sudden its a time elapse thing....lol
Gordon on the list or not. They (NFL) are not dead to the Mass Media and Tweet stuff. Its probably their leading tell to act on something!
You know you guys read me and don't read me. I said he probably did Coke in his party stuff. But many acting like he's an addict needing rehab for coke...after all there is a pic of him rolling up a 20
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Browns over under huh?
Anyone who thinks the Browns will get better than 7 wins, answer, Why is it if in the middle of the 3rd quarter the Browns have the lead they play like dirt!
Or why is it they can not play offense with the same urgency, in the middle of the 2nd half, that they play when there's 3 minutes to go and they are trailing again!
And if you think the O isn't important, well for years this offense just keeps relying on the Defense to give the ball back to them again. They use the defesne like a CRUTCH!,
Well no defense in the WORLD can keep giving the ball back if you make them go out there again and again and again after doing NOTHING, SQUAT, NADA, on the offensive side of the ball.
And another thing! The Peyton colts, didn't rise and fall on the play of their passes, that was a given, they succeeded or failed on the play of their DEFENSE
The Aikman Cboys, didn' R and F on their skill players, they R and fell on the play of their TRENCHES,
The Steve young 49ers didn't win or lose on the play of their qb's arm, they won or lost on the play of their DEFENSE!
You can't say the play of your STRENGTH is going to win you games, you have to say the play of your WEAKNESS is going to win you games.
If the Browns are going to get any better they've got to get wins from their WEAKNESS and that's the OFFENSE, this teams fortunes in the 2015-16 season are LARGELY IN PART going to be dependent on the Offense playing well.
They've been doing the same thing ,(this offseason), they've done for the last 20 years, and the only times in those last 20 years that they've even sniffed a winning season is when they've gotton the OFFENSE somewhere respectful.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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LOL..........I have been reading your posts for years, but each time I read one...I always wonder what it would be like to sit down and have a couple of beers w/you? I'm sure it would be interesting. 
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throw I assume you just clicked my post to reply in general and that was not directed to me.
Well I do think the Browns will get better than 7 wins. Middle of the 3rd qtr. they play like dirt? Don't know if that is a fact or not. And when I say that I'm thinking of last year. Possibly in our Wins, we did not? In the Hoyer decline - possibly true? In the last 3 games we just looked like crap mostly throughout the game.
Any who thinks the O is not important is just showing ignorance. Now that doesn't mean the Defense cannot dominate games and is the Key factor. That the O has to be OK but take advantage of the good position to make POINTS off of it not go 3 n out. Rise to the Occasion. But once again we have a NEW O and a NEW QB...those who understand the importance of continuity its not something that should be depended on CARRYING the team. Which is a difference from not losing the game. Keep mistakes to the minimum. Take advantage of good opportunities and when deep in our territory move the sticks!
The O is very important and before it can become a Unit all in sync which could take a year or two. Where it is the system...We will have to rely on what I mentioned above and our wins will be dictated by our Defense and the opportunities they make for us.
I don't agree with your Strength Weakness synopsis. Well not completely. If you are saying you cannot be ultra strong in one thing and ignore the other thinking the Great O or D without the other rising up and being OVER ACHIEVERS in those cases we see Champions.
If you are saying we need some kind of balance. To feed our strengths. Hey I'm with you 100% and quite frankly without the O becoming good in their execution I don't expect much more than 7-9 or 8-8 season. And if there are injuries involved it could be worse??? But we know we don't have a GREAT QB at the helm. It will have to be a UNIT working well with each other...and you have to factor in that its a new O. So I don't expect more than 8-8 not cause of the lack of Weapons...but because of those two factors. QB and Continuity. If we can see Good (not Great) but OK to Good from the O I think we are in for a surprise.
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Well do you think the NFL didn't get a drug test within 72 hours of that Picture making the Internet? It's almost a certainty that they didn't. The collective bargaining agreement forbids them from doing so. NFL players not in the offender program are subject to one street drug test a year within a certain time frame (if I recall correctly, it's a span of a few weeks during training camp). It's possible that this incident occurred within that small window, but it's unlikely, and if it did happen, it makes Manziel look even worse. NFL players are aware of this window. Most of them stay clean until their test, at which point they're free to indulge in whatever drugs they wish for the rest of the year. Performance enhancing drug testing is more involved and frequent.
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When Josh McCown is key QB addition, Browns' offseason grade won't shine With offseason workouts and minicamps in the rearview mirror and training camps just a few weeks away, we assess the Cleveland Browns' offseason moves and assign a letter grade in the video above. Best move: When a team has a glaring need and makes a move to fill it, the team deserves credit. The Browns were the NFL’s worst team at stopping the run last season. That was true even though the Browns believe in their players and believe in their system. To address the situation, the Browns added the nose tackle they’ve lacked: Danny Shelton of Washington. Shelton missed OTAs to finish his academic work at Washington, so he’ll need to jump into things during camp. If he can plug the middle like the Browns hope, a weakness could be erased. Riskiest move: Signing a 36-year-old quarterback and adding a new coordinator and new receivers brings huge challenges to the offense. The Browns aren’t just starting over, they are starting over with the coach who leads the offense, the guy who calls the signals and the receivers who catch his passes. History has shown the challenges involved in this, and when the quarterback is Josh McCown, a guy who lost 10 of 11 starts in 2014, the challenge seems greater. The Browns built their defense on system and players. Their offense is built on hope. Receiving (non)move: The Browns ignored the wide receiver spot in the draft last season when they knew Josh Gordon would be suspended. They ignored the receiver spot in the draft until the fourth round this season even though Gordon already had been suspended. The team added starting receivers via free agency in Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline and drafted a big, strong guy in Vince Mayle. But they still lack a big-play, speed guy. The receiving corps last season was a strength for 10 games, then could not sustain the production. Whether that group has improved enough to help a new quarterback will be closely watched. Training camp outlook: The big question for the Browns as they head to training camp is the same one they’ve had as they’ve headed to training camp every season since 1999: What about the quarterback? The Browns have given the keys to McCown, and they’ve not hesitated to build him up. McCown is a tremendous individual and great to have on a team. He looked sharp in his throws and reads in minicamp. How he plays over the course of a 16-game season remains to be seen. The Browns headed to the offseason with McCown clearly ahead of Johnny Manziel -- and with continued uncertainty about the most important position on the team. http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...rade-wont-shine
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Well do you think the NFL didn't get a drug test within 72 hours of that Picture making the Internet? It's almost a certainty that they didn't. The collective bargaining agreement forbids them from doing so. NFL players not in the offender program are subject to one street drug test a year within a certain time frame (if I recall correctly, it's a span of a few weeks during training camp). It's possible that this incident occurred within that small window, but it's unlikely, and if it did happen, it makes Manziel look even worse. NFL players are aware of this window. Most of them stay clean until their test, at which point they're free to indulge in whatever drugs they wish for the rest of the year. Performance enhancing drug testing is more involved and frequent.
I still say his problems was alcohol...as if that wasn't enough. Why it is important to have it as Drugs/Cocaine as the obvious problem...is what baffles me. As all they got is pictures of him rolling up a bill. And I know was talked to by our staff after that pic emerged.
But too many are AHA he had problems with coke. When I got about 50 pics of him actually drinking and making a fool of himself. So I'm sticking with me I think he "PUT HIMSELF" into rehab due to the alcohol not Cocaine.
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Your notion is just as speculative as theirs. Frankly, I don't see it as anyone's business. He hasn't been arrested as a pro. He took steps to get help. Let it be. I'm more concerned with the fact that our brain trust felt that this guy was worthy of a first round pick.
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Really I don't get the point?
Cocaine, alcohol or both?
Both are addictive drugs. Alcohol has probably killed and ruined more lives than any drug ever.
Just because alcohol is legal is meaningless. It is like tobacco and cannabis.
If you abuse any drug and it becomes an addiction you have a problem.
What is the impact on Manziel?
In the end he has to prove he can play professional football.
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Whatever the problem, he's apparently addressed it., I hope so.
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Hoyer withdrawls are brutal but I have heard they are developing a patch to help. see what happens when you talk about withdrawls? way to derail a thread!!!!
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Yea i am truly sorry for crying over the loss of Hoyer in every thread. I dont know what was thinking. I will make a better attempt to talk about players that are actually on this team and will stop whining that we let Hoyer go and we didnt draft Teddy.
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Yea i am truly sorry for crying over the loss of Hoyer in every thread. I dont know what was thinking. I will make a better attempt to talk about players that are actually on this team and will stop whining that we let Hoyer go and we didnt draft Teddy. i know its hard. and i know here will be set back but....... thanks for trying. 
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