Nice trick by the writer to stir controversy as he didnt get the quote he wanted, so he put in Dansby danced around the question which will change the way the rest sounds entirely because you are already anticipating Dansby struggling to come up with excuses.
If it reads like this. Marvez then asked a followup question about Manziel, inquiring if the quarterback has changed off-the-field.
"In the locker room, he's Johnny. He's one of the guys. He's going to joke, chill out with the fellas, laugh, have a good time. That's just what Johnny does as he leaves the locker room. We were so focused and we were under a time crunch so we really didn't have time to hang out like that on a daily basis because we were so focused on trying to get better."
So all that is really there is that Johnny is one of the guys in the locker laughing and joking but after work they dont hang out.
The statement I made earlier about OTA's was a general statement, not an all-encompasing statement.
Even w/that said, look at Hoyer's deep ball. It was amazing how many really terrible throws he made to guys that were wide open. We left a lot of points on the field. We would have scored quite a few more points if Hoyer could have just made decent throws rather than those deep passes that looked more like punts.
I will never forget that one to Gabriel ..... he was open by 15 yards. The ball was thrown .... almost higher than deeper ...... and .... it ...... took ..... forever ..... to .... come ..... down ....... and by the time Gabriel was finally able to catch it, the defense was able to make up all of that ground. I think that we failed to score on that drive too, IIRC. Man, just a marginally bad throw and that would have been a TD. Instead, I seem to recall, Hoyer threw an INT shortly thereafter. (and maybe we intercepted the ball back ... but I am not 100% sure)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Gabriel has 10 TDs and over a 1000 yards if hoyer hits him on just half the passes in which he was open by 10 yards. Just think of some of those corner curls that Gabriel left his man completley on turned around the ball was on time and about 15 yards over his head lol
We dont know if Gabriel can catch them but he can get open lol.
The statement I made earlier about OTA's was a general statement, not an all-encompasing statement.
Even w/that said, look at Hoyer's deep ball. It was amazing how many really terrible throws he made to guys that were wide open. We left a lot of points on the field. We would have scored quite a few more points if Hoyer could have just made decent throws rather than those deep passes that looked more like punts.
I will never forget that one to Gabriel ..... he was open by 15 yards. The ball was thrown .... almost higher than deeper ...... and .... it ...... took ..... forever ..... to .... come ..... down ....... and by the time Gabriel was finally able to catch it, the defense was able to make up all of that ground. I think that we failed to score on that drive too, IIRC. Man, just a marginally bad throw and that would have been a TD. Instead, I seem to recall, Hoyer threw an INT shortly thereafter. (and maybe we intercepted the ball back ... but I am not 100% sure)
i remember that!!!!
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Vers, Thats such nonsense, it is laughable. Look Shanny had a great scheme but are we to believe it was designed only to get Gabriel open consistently? Pretty stupid if that was the case. If that wasnt the case then Gabriel himself had a hell of a lot to do with getting open.
Gabriel has 10 TDs and over a 1000 yards if hoyer hits him on just half the passes in which he was open by 10 yards. Just think of some of those corner curls that Gabriel left his man completley on turned around the ball was on time and about 15 yards over his head lol
We dont know if Gabriel can catch them but he can get open lol.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
So which is true we had guys that couldnt get open when Cam was injured or we had a plethora of guys getting open and the injury excuse doesnt wash. Sorry but you have been debating one thing and now looking to take away from one of best young players so you can put Shanny on some pedestal and I call Shannynanigans lol
"we're here working" and he's not, so no we can't spend time with him...
Manzeil has not missed practice and is spending extra time at the facility, I can't see how you made that connection.
Dansby is a defensive player, I'm sure they hang together at practice, just as the offensive players do. Plus LBs don't go to meetings with LBs
I come to the conclusion two ways. One if Manziel is in the locker room when Dansby leaves then Dansby has no idea Johnny is as he "leaves the locker room". So I'm taking that quote at face value.
The second is just general distrust of Manziel's work ethic and dedication which was clearly demonstrated last year. We heard all year that he was doing "all of the right things" then too. At least until they couldn't make excuses for him anymore.
The second is just general distrust of Manziel's work ethic and dedication which was clearly demonstrated last year. We heard all year that he was doing "all of the right things" then too. At least until they couldn't make excuses for him anymore.
The ball was thrown from the Browns 13 yd line to the Ravens 30yd line, went 57 yds in the air where the receiver laid out to make the catch..it appears that the ball was almost overthrown.
It was very close to a perfect throw..had the receiver been just a bit faster, he might have caught the ball in stride for a TD.
The reason the WR was caught from behind was because the WR decided to lay out to catch the ball, then had to get up to start running, giving the defender enough time to recover.
Only in Cleveland do we complain about a pass going 57 yds in the air for a completion then attempt to lay blame on the QB because it was not a TD pass...only in Cleveland.
I am not hating on Gabriel. I like the guy. My point is that when there is no one w/in 10--20 yards of a receiver, that obviously isn't "beating" a corner. It was a mix-up in coverages. Come on, Mourg. You know that.
That answer doesn't bode well for our boy Johnny. I can't read that last line other than "we're here working" and he's not, so no we can't spend time with him..
I am pretty sure Dansby was talking in the past tense of last year. I think from all we know now, Manziel didn't work hard and which is sort of good/bad. Bad cause nobody should take their Job especially NFL QB lightly and not work hard for it.
Good cause he has turned that around so far and the ugliness we saw from Manziel can be corrected.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I don't think he was talking about last year, tab. Here, take another look:
Quote:
Marvez then asked a followup question about Manziel, inquiring if the quarterback formerly known as "Johnny Football" has changed off-the-field. Dansby danced around the question.
"In the locker room, he's Johnny. He's one of the guys. He's going to joke, chill out with the fellas, laugh, have a good time. That's just what Johnny does as he leaves the locker room. We were so focused and we were under a time crunch so we really didn't have time to hang out like that on a daily basis because we were so focused on trying to get better."
lol... a slight exaggeration - writers privilege - I don't EVER remember Weeden being stated as lighting it up.
I heard some positives about him getting rid of the ball quicker and going through progressions in practice. But never remember the words Lighting it up. then again I'm talking from what coaches had said, not sure about posters.
I still say fact remains it can only be deemed as good, not bad. So, so far I'm happy from what we are seeing from McCown.
It doesn't surprise me one bit. I told anyone and everyone. If he is kept clean he can "Light it up" - he gets pressure on him...he in time falls apart...more than the average QB.
We will win some games. I don't see going far in the playoffs if we make it cause we will face the Championship defensive play of teams which more than likely will provide pressure.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
We were so focused and we were under a time crunch so we really didn't have time to hang out like that on a daily basis because we were so focused on trying to get better."
It was this line that made me think of the past tense. "were" used several times. Since when is OTA's Crunch time? Last but not least he wasn't damning Manziel Just stating he is "was" unaware of his time outside the locker room. And again to me that was obviously Past tense cause he is no where the party guy now and by all reports his car is one of the first and one of the last out of the locker room. Again all this tells me he is talking about last year. I could always be wrong but I would be very surprised to learn that it was about this year. Crunch time in OTA???
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Ok got it...but it still seems like he is talking about last year to state he didn't know if he changed outside the locker room cause he didn't know what he did and he didn't hang with him...still looks past tense to me. Still nothing damming cause we are getting steady reports of Manziel working hard and staying longer and his outside life has been pretty docile.
jmho - I don't like the authors insinuation that he skirted around the question as if there was an underlying problem.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
All I really get from that is that Dansby doesn't hang out with JFF off the field. It's hard to know if a guy has changed off the field if you don't hang out with him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Ok got it...but it still seems like he is talking about last year to state he didn't know if he changed outside the locker room cause he didn't know what he did and he didn't hang with him...still looks past tense to me. Still nothing damming cause we are getting steady reports of Manziel working hard and staying longer and his outside life has been pretty docile.
jmho - I don't like the authors insinuation that he skirted around the question as if there was an underlying problem.
Last year they said he was doing everything we asked him to do? Which made it sound like he was putting forth an actual effort which I believe has been proven to be false. I won't argue the merits of either side. I will however use past knowns to formulate an opinion cause you can't believe the coaches IMO. That said who knows?? I think Johnny has made himself into Mr Irrelevant a roll he relished last year.
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
That answer doesn't bode well for our boy Johnny. I can't read that last line other than "we're here working" and he's not, so no we can't spend time with him..
I am pretty sure Dansby was talking in the past tense of last year. I think from all we know now, Manziel didn't work hard and which is sort of good/bad. Bad cause nobody should take their Job especially NFL QB lightly and not work hard for it.
Good cause he has turned that around so far and the ugliness we saw from Manziel can be corrected.
jmho
"In the locker room, he's Johnny. He's one of the guys. He's going to joke, chill out with the fellas, laugh, have a good time. That's just what Johnny does as he leaves the locker room. We were so focused and we were under a time crunch so we really didn't have time to hang out like that on a daily basis because we were so focused on trying to get better."
He's = he is - present tense (not he was) Johnny does - present tense (not he did)
Those are his description of what Johnny is doing and what he expects him to continue to do, based on his most recent experience which is the past tense reference to OTA's.
There's no other way to say it than he danced around the topic. Not dancing would be saying "Johnny's here, he's working hard and he's making progress from my point of view. We don't hang out after practice cause we're both so damn tired from working so hard!"
There's no other way to say it than he danced around the topic. Not dancing would be saying "Johnny's here, he's working hard and he's making progress from my point of view. We don't hang out after practice cause we're both so damn tired from working so hard!"
Karlos Dansby on Johnny Manziel: 'He's grown up right before our eyes'
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com May 5, 2015 7:59 pm ET
On Tuesday, veteran linebacker Karlos Dansby reiterated a similar message to Jim Rome.
“He's focused. He's in here working, grinding every day. And we're right along with him, like I said ‘we have his back,' we never did turn our back on him," Dansby said. "He just had to go through that learning curve, and he understands now what it takes, and I think he's putting forth the effort. He's grown up right before our eyes.”
Dansby added that he and his teammates fully supported Manziel's decision to seek treatment.
“...[N]ow we know it was something bigger than he can handle," he said. "It was bigger than him, and he figured that out. He made a decision to help him be a better man. And that's all at the end of the day that's all we want, we want him to be the best person he can possibly be, because him being the best he can possibly be is going to be the best player that the Browns can possibly have on the field.”
There's no other way to say it than he danced around the topic. Not dancing would be saying "Johnny's here, he's working hard and he's making progress from my point of view. We don't hang out after practice cause we're both so damn tired from working so hard!"
Karlos Dansby on Johnny Manziel: 'He's grown up right before our eyes'
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com May 5, 2015 7:59 pm ET
On Tuesday, veteran linebacker Karlos Dansby reiterated a similar message to Jim Rome.
“He's focused. He's in here working, grinding every day. And we're right along with him, like I said ‘we have his back,' we never did turn our back on him," Dansby said. "He just had to go through that learning curve, and he understands now what it takes, and I think he's putting forth the effort. He's grown up right before our eyes.”
Dansby added that he and his teammates fully supported Manziel's decision to seek treatment.
“...[N]ow we know it was something bigger than he can handle," he said. "It was bigger than him, and he figured that out. He made a decision to help him be a better man. And that's all at the end of the day that's all we want, we want him to be the best person he can possibly be, because him being the best he can possibly be is going to be the best player that the Browns can possibly have on the field.”
well i guess yours was a month ago and the other that Stetson76 is talking about is 2 or 3 days old. just shows how much he changed his mind in a month? is that your point?
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
There's no other way to say it than he danced around the topic. Not dancing would be saying "Johnny's here, he's working hard and he's making progress from my point of view. We don't hang out after practice cause we're both so damn tired from working so hard!"
Karlos Dansby on Johnny Manziel: 'He's grown up right before our eyes'
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com May 5, 2015 7:59 pm ET
On Tuesday, veteran linebacker Karlos Dansby reiterated a similar message to Jim Rome.
“He's focused. He's in here working, grinding every day. And we're right along with him, like I said ‘we have his back,' we never did turn our back on him," Dansby said. "He just had to go through that learning curve, and he understands now what it takes, and I think he's putting forth the effort. He's grown up right before our eyes.”
Dansby added that he and his teammates fully supported Manziel's decision to seek treatment.
“...[N]ow we know it was something bigger than he can handle," he said. "It was bigger than him, and he figured that out. He made a decision to help him be a better man. And that's all at the end of the day that's all we want, we want him to be the best person he can possibly be, because him being the best he can possibly be is going to be the best player that the Browns can possibly have on the field.”
well i guess yours was a month ago and the other that Stetson76 is talking about is 2 or 3 days old. just shows how much he changed his mind in a month? is that your point?
From that link...
Browns LB Karlos Dansby: Offense is "Explosive"
By Joe Ginley @JoeGinley on Jun 26, 2015, 10:39p 96
" Dansby doesn't seem concerned about the two former first round picks.
"They look good. Both of them are competing at a high level. Johnny is going through his reads, he's trying to make the second and third reads. He's just developing."
There's no other way to say it than he danced around the topic. Not dancing would be saying "Johnny's here, he's working hard and he's making progress from my point of view. We don't hang out after practice cause we're both so damn tired from working so hard!"
Karlos Dansby on Johnny Manziel: 'He's grown up right before our eyes'
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com May 5, 2015 7:59 pm ET
On Tuesday, veteran linebacker Karlos Dansby reiterated a similar message to Jim Rome.
“He's focused. He's in here working, grinding every day. And we're right along with him, like I said ‘we have his back,' we never did turn our back on him," Dansby said. "He just had to go through that learning curve, and he understands now what it takes, and I think he's putting forth the effort. He's grown up right before our eyes.”
Dansby added that he and his teammates fully supported Manziel's decision to seek treatment.
“...[N]ow we know it was something bigger than he can handle," he said. "It was bigger than him, and he figured that out. He made a decision to help him be a better man. And that's all at the end of the day that's all we want, we want him to be the best person he can possibly be, because him being the best he can possibly be is going to be the best player that the Browns can possibly have on the field.”
well i guess yours was a month ago and the other that Stetson76 is talking about is 2 or 3 days old. just shows how much he changed his mind in a month? is that your point?
From that link...
Browns LB Karlos Dansby: Offense is "Explosive"
By Joe Ginley @JoeGinley on Jun 26, 2015, 10:39p 96
" Dansby doesn't seem concerned about the two former first round picks.
"They look good. Both of them are competing at a high level. Johnny is going through his reads, he's trying to make the second and third reads. He's just developing."
He isnt dancing around the question, he isnt hanging out with Johnny after work. I dont know whats so hard about that to understand. The writer is wanting to insinuate that Johnny is out partying and dansby is covering for him. I hate that stuff. he didnt get the answer he was shooting for so he manipulates words so he can still slip his artificial meaning into the story.
He isnt dancing around the question, he isnt hanging out with Johnny after work. I dont know whats so hard about that to understand. The writer is wanting to insinuate that Johnny is out partying and dansby is covering for him. I hate that stuff. he didnt get the answer he was shooting for so he manipulates words so he can still slip his artificial meaning into the story.
Danby is the one that brought "after work" up but only in the context of Manziel being a "fun guy" while apparently everyone else is working hard...
I think that we failed to score on that drive too, IIRC. Man, just a marginally bad throw and that would have been a TD. Instead, I seem to recall, Hoyer threw an INT shortly thereafter. (and maybe we intercepted the ball back ... but I am not 100% sure)
![[Linked Image from i301.photobucket.com]](http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn59/Stetson1376/c8f5fed9-fc01-4b87-bda3-b2b53f0b16cb_zpse708e05e.jpg)
a slight exaggeration - writers privilege - I don't EVER remember Weeden being stated as lighting it up.
