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This was a really interesting read. While I'm not overly familiar with the source (found this link on Facebook) I did find some of the content, and other news articles to be quite interesting. Basically. I would love to get up to speed, and read everyone's thoughts on this. Confederate Flag issue used as a distraction?
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My understanding is congress gave the president authority to sign the fast track deal but it must come back to congress for final approval. There is where the battle will be.
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There won't be any battle while congress lays on it's back waiting for obama to scratch their bellies.
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Being relatively new to politics (I'm only 26) can anyone kind of break down what this Fast Track Authority for the TPP free trade agreement means? And what it means for America and other countries if it ends up being approved by Congress later on.
I'm genuinely asking for someone to drop a knowledge bomb on me right now cause I'm not sure.
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I don't really care about the flag. To some it's racist, to others it's about heritage, to some it's about remembering the lost men of the civil war, and to some it just represents "the south" (good and bad).
If you want to fly it, I don't really care. It's the flag of the loser of the civil war in my opinion. And that's like flying a "The Browns finished in 4th place in the AFC North in 2014" flag.
I saw some woman climbed a flag pole to remove the flag in some state. I wasn't really listening to the details. But I did hear an interview with a woman on the street that was watching. She said it was one of the most inspiring things to ever happen in this country. Really? I guess I don't see it (or don't care).
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This article is making it seem like the flag issue was some planted distraction to keep people from noticing the specifics of this trade deal. I think a rerun of the Bachelorette would've been sufficient if the goal was to distract the American public from noticing the specifics of a bipartisan trade deal. I haven't read up on the TPP, but if I had to take a guess, it's going to be good for the American consumer and bad for the American worker. Goodbye, jobs, hello, cheaper priced goods.
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TPP effects us all and may devastate our lives yet we the People know nothing about it. shame on us.
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Kelso, I can give you my take on trade deals in general, but know you're just getting one person's biased opinion. Trade deals are bad news for the U.S. as a country, and they're one of the biggest reasons our economy flounders. A major reason our country has thrived economically when it has is because it's been shielded from market forces by the government. Take for example, in the 1980's, when the economy began to grow under Reagan. That wasn't because he waved a magic wand or cut taxes. He implemented a lot of tariffs on foreign competition in areas like tech and auto. A layman's example would be if the Levi's corporation wanted to move their factory to Malaysia, so they could produce the jeans for much cheaper with child labor, this cutting the cost of the product, thus driving up sales. But the U.S. steps in and says "Now, wait a minute, we have a tariff on the import of these goods from Malaysia, so it's going to cost you an extra $5 for every pair of jeans you bring over". So maybe Levi's balks at the move, as it's no longer as cost effective as it once was. So now maybe the Levi's factory stays in Akron or wherever and Bob and Barb get to keep their jobs. These trade deals tend to strip these protectionist tariffs and make it easier for Levi's to shift production to Malaysia. It's good for corporations, and bad for people. The article you posted contains a kernel of truth, but it's wildly over the top and more frosting than nutrients. I would seek other sources.
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Kelso, I can give you my take on trade deals in general, but know you're just getting one person's biased opinion. Trade deals are bad news for the U.S. as a country, and they're one of the biggest reasons our economy flounders. A major reason our country has thrived economically when it has is because it's been shielded from market forces by the government. Take for example, in the 1980's, when the economy began to grow under Reagan. That wasn't because he waved a magic wand or cut taxes. He implemented a lot of tariffs on foreign competition in areas like tech and auto. A layman's example would be if the Levi's corporation wanted to move their factory to Malaysia, so they could produce the jeans for much cheaper with child labor, this cutting the cost of the product, thus driving up sales. But the U.S. steps in and says "Now, wait a minute, we have a tariff on the import of these goods from Malaysia, so it's going to cost you an extra $5 for every pair of jeans you bring over". So maybe Levi's balks at the move, as it's no longer as cost effective as it once was. So now maybe the Levi's factory stays in Akron or wherever and Bob and Barb get to keep their jobs. These trade deals tend to strip these protectionist tariffs and make it easier for Levi's to shift production to Malaysia. It's good for corporations, and bad for people. The article you posted contains a kernel of truth, but it's wildly over the top and more frosting than nutrients. I would seek other sources. I appreciate the opinion, and the way you explained it absolutely makes sense. The biggest red flag that stuck out to me when I read the article was the source, although I don't expect main stream news media to cover stories like this. While I'm bringing that up. Does anyone know which major news outlet reports the most truth // unbiased stuff? These days, it's hard to tell...
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While I'm bringing that up.
Does anyone know which major news outlet reports the most truth // unbiased stuff? These days, it's hard to tell...
They are all slanted to the Liberal side except FOX which is slanted to the Conservative side. If the story is against Liberals, it will be on FOX, if it is against Conservatives, it will be on the others.
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While I'm bringing that up.
Does anyone know which major news outlet reports the most truth // unbiased stuff? These days, it's hard to tell...
They are all slanted to the Liberal side except FOX which is slanted to the Conservative side. If the story is against Liberals, it will be on FOX, if it is against Conservatives, it will be on the others. Kelso, my first piece of advice would be to not listen to anything like this. FOX isn't a conservative outlet, it's a block of cartoons for the geriatric and the gullible. For financial or trade news, I prefer to read The Wall Street Journal. I would read other foreign financial times as well to get a better feel for other perspectives. And don't be afraid of something simply because it's not "mainstream". There's never going to be a "right" source of information. You've got to wade in the muck and learn to trust your instincts as far as what is pertinent and what is slanted.
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TPP effects us all and may devastate our lives yet we the People know nothing about it. shame on us. Wow 40! We finally agree on something. TPP is an abomination. Secret treaty to allow corporations to circumvent laws that protect consumers. Secret regulations on the internet. Secret agreements on the conditions allowed in various work forces. Secrets, secrets, secrets... that will become law not just here but in numerous countries with ZERO public feedback, consent or knowledge of the specific facts concealed in said secrets! This stinks of greed and corruption! AND ANY politician on any side that thinks this secrecy is acceptable is just asking to be booted from office. jmho
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While I'm bringing that up.
Does anyone know which major news outlet reports the most truth // unbiased stuff? These days, it's hard to tell...
They are all slanted to the Liberal side except FOX which is slanted to the Conservative side. If the story is against Liberals, it will be on FOX, if it is against Conservatives, it will be on the others. Kelso, my first piece of advice would be to not listen to anything like this. FOX isn't a conservative outlet, it's a block of cartoons for the geriatric and the gullible.. This crap opinion can be found on MSNBC.
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Lets ask America where they turn for News... CNN saw a higher spike in ratings than any other network in the first quarter of 2015 compared with the same period last year. The network was up from last year in viewers for both primetime and total day. The largest jump was in total day, with a 22 percent increase (to 466,000) and a 20 percent increase in the key 25-54 age demo (to 147,000). No other cable news network saw an overall jump from the previous year. Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers. The network came in 4th place among all basic cable channels. CNN came in next with 535,000 primetime total viewers and 466,000 total day total viewers. Among the news networks, MSNBC followed in third with total day viewers of 316,000 and 85,000 key demo viewers, down 20 percent and 38 percent, respectively. In a sign of how dire the ratings slump at MSNBC has become, the fledgling Al Jazeera America beat out MSNBC in the 25-54 demographic during the 2 and 3 p.m. daytime hours on March 30. During that timespan, MSNBC brought in 14,000 viewers while AJAM attracted 28,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/01/cable-news-ratings-q1-2015-cnn-msnbc_n_6984866.html
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TPP effects us all and may devastate our lives yet we the People know nothing about it. shame on us. I... agree? As far as the TPP, We should blame our news outlets for not covering the story considering the wide sweeping effects that it may contain. Trade deals never work out for the American worker. Unfortunately, there seems to be only a handful of our representatives trying to thwart the TPP. The idea that it is a treaty to begin with is of large concern if the provisions that Wikileaks and other non-traditional media sources have divulged are accurate, concerning intellectual property, the Internet, the ability of corporations to sue countries for lost profit, etc. Link
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While I'm bringing that up.
Does anyone know which major news outlet reports the most truth // unbiased stuff? These days, it's hard to tell...
They are all slanted to the Liberal side except FOX which is slanted to the Conservative side. If the story is against Liberals, it will be on FOX, if it is against Conservatives, it will be on the others. Kelso, my first piece of advice would be to not listen to anything like this. FOX isn't a conservative outlet, it's a block of cartoons for the geriatric and the gullible.. This crap opinion can be found on MSNBC. FOX is the news equivalent of Funyuns. It's empty calories that amount to more of a cartoon than a source of news. You're trying to make this some issue of "liberal bias" when it isn't. In fact, had you taken the time to read the rest of what I said, you'd find I recommended he turn to a conservative-leaning outlet for financial news. The Wall Street Journal is a legitimate news source with a conservative slant. FOX News is a sideshow that serves to distill GOP talking points.
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TPP effects us all and may devastate our lives yet we the People know nothing about it. shame on us. Wow 40! We finally agree on something. TPP is an abomination. Secret treaty to allow corporations to circumvent laws that protect consumers. Secret regulations on the internet. Secret agreements on the conditions allowed in various work forces. Secrets, secrets, secrets... that will become law not just here but in numerous countries with ZERO public feedback, consent or knowledge of the specific facts concealed in said secrets! This stinks of greed and corruption! AND ANY politician on any side that thinks this secrecy is acceptable is just asking to be booted from office. jmho I know it is odd that we agree but it is really scary that our Government agrees!
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion.
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion. How exactly does the fact that a lot of people watch FOX negate the fact that its more of a circus than a news network? Justin Bieber tops the music charts, does that mean that his music is good?
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion. How exactly does the fact that a lot of people watch FOX negate the fact that its more of a circus than a news network? Justin Bieber tops the music charts, does that mean that his music is good? As long as you refuse to face the Facts and the opinion of America, your wrong and tainted opinion will remain your own.
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Since you insist that all other news sources are liberal, wouldn't you have to add all of their numbers together to get an honest total of which "type of news" Americans watch the most?
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Yea, do that and tell Jack so he feels better. Don't forget to add in MSNBC's 300,000 total viewers. 
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It was your premise that every other news channel was bias towards the left, not mine.
According to your own logic, that means if we wish to know the total number of news viewers that use liberal news sources verses conservative news sources, we would have to add in all liberal news sources, would it not?
Sometimes you like making statements but when someone calls you on it, as noted above, you see how silly it sounds.
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion. How exactly does the fact that a lot of people watch FOX negate the fact that its more of a circus than a news network? Justin Bieber tops the music charts, does that mean that his music is good? As long as you refuse to face the Facts and the opinion of America, your wrong and tainted opinion will remain your own. You didn't answer my question. Almost as if you were evading it. What is the equivalency between high ratings and quality? Kim Kardashian is one of the most popular public figures in America, and she tops the numbers in just about every media platform. Does this indicate that she is someone worth listening to?
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Would anyone like to re-chime in about this TPP issue?
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This crap opinion can be found on MSNBC. ..and almost everywhere else. For good reason, too. I have no argument about 'liberal media bias' whatsoever... but I find it a cryin' shame that the #1 source for news with a rightward slant is FOX. News? About as good/bad as all the other outlets. Commentary? Amateur hour: shallow, vacuous analysis, goofyass on-air personalities, and a 'message' that's aimed to incite emotional response rather than intellectual examination. Conservatives were so happy to get FOX news on their TV's, they willingly lowered their journalistic standards just to have ANY outlet that they could call "theirs." One thing's certain: Shawn Hannity and Steve Doucy are no George Will and Wm. F. Buckley. Serious dearth of intellectual acumen at that network. Good conservative Americans have always deserved better than FOX. 40, I'm surprised that you're willing to play the role of 'flag-wavin' color guard' for such a shoddy organization instead of demanding more from them. They're simply awful. Yes... "MSNBC-level awful."
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This was a really interesting read. While I'm not overly familiar with the source (found this link on Facebook) I did find some of the content, and other news articles to be quite interesting. Basically. I would love to get up to speed, and read everyone's thoughts on this. Confederate Flag issue used as a distraction? no doubt in my mind. How else do you go from a lone guy killing 9 people to a complete nationwide social outcry against a flag in under 24 hours unless it was orchestrated. I haven't the slightest clue HOW, but I have no doubt that it was planned. Someone saw an opportunity with the shooting and pounced. It's like Hillary's favorite saying: Never waste a good crisis.
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Conservatives were so happy to get FOX news on their TV's, they willingly lowered their journalistic standards just to have ANY outlet that they could call "theirs." One thing's certain: Shawn Hannity and Steve Doucy are no George Will and Wm. F. Buckley. Serious dearth of intellectual acumen at that network. It's certainly hurt the Republican party in the grand scheme. Their candidates are more or less forced to go on "Hannity" or some equivalent that will nudge or bully them into agreeing with ridiculous over-the-top statements. Next thing you know, they have to stand on a debate stage and answer to "Governor, you recently said..." I do like Shepard Smith, he's a newsman's newsman, and I'm always interested in hearing what Judge Napolitano has to say, but there's not much meat on that bone otherwise.
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Fox, CNN and MSNBC are opinion shows, at least what they show in primetime. They aren't news.
I think as many tune to Comedy Central for their news as anywhere else.
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If you would read the posts, you would find that all I originally said was this...
"They are all slanted to the Liberal side except FOX which is
slanted to the Conservative side.
If the story is against Liberals, it will be on FOX, if it is against Conservatives, it will be on the others."
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Kelso, my first piece of advice would be to not listen to anything like this. FOX isn't a conservative outlet, it's a block of cartoons for the geriatric and the gullible.
Then it was on.
I am not surprised as you Liberals line up to say every snarky thing you can think of against the most watched Cable News program in America. Now you Clem, come on here and eloquently say exactly the same crap.
You Libs all stood by as NBC doctored tapes and vids in the Zimmerman case. You stood by as Brian Williams lied to us all over the years. You say nothing of all the stories they refuse to cover, forcing me to switch over to FOX for the story.
Yet now, You all line up to blast FOX! It is proof to many of your bias and opinions based on Liberal ideals. Just man up and admit your bias and I will have nothing more to say on the issue.
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Examples of liberal media bias are legion, of course. Instances of it occur every single day and it is a full time job just trying to keep up with it all. Sadly, these 50 examples and tendencies are but a drop in the ocean of left-wing media bias. http://www.westernjournalism.com/top-50-examples-liberal-media-bias/
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion. So ESPN is the best and most reliable source for sports news?
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Even still, Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers.
Seems America disagrees with your crap opinion. So ESPN is the best and most reliable source for sports news? Not at all! They have not once reported on a Browns Superbowl in my near 50 years as a fan!
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You Libs all stood by as NBC doctored tapes and vids in the Zimmerman case. You stood by as Brian Williams lied to us all over the years. You say nothing of all the stories they refuse to cover, forcing me to switch over to FOX for the story. You assume much about me that is simply false. You have no proof whatsover that I championed Brian Williams in any way. Every single one of my posts are still here. I defy you to find even one mention of Brian Williams pro or con. THE ONLY stance I ever took regarding the Zimmerman case was this: "Sir- we don't need you to do that-" meaning that it was possible- POSSIBLE that the kid would still be alive had Z stayed in his truck. Period. I chime in here on stories that aren't picked up by MSM all the time. I don't bother posting such stories because I don't start political/controversial threads very often, if at all. SWINGANDAMISS. Strike One. So you see... the problem with attaching me to a monolithic group such as 'libthingies' is that your rhetorical haymakers more often than not connect with air. Regarding FOX: I blast them not because they represent a conservative POV, but because they're so sophomoric and unsophisticated in the way they do it. Don't you recall me saying that conservatives deserved better? I meant it. They really do. SWINGANDAMISS. Strike Two. I specifically mentioned their parity with other outlets regarding pure news. You ignored that, while you pulled out your wide dripping paintbrush- and aimed it straight for my face. SWINGANDAMISS. Strike Three. ______________________ Reading is fundamental. Reading comprehension requires a bit more than merely recognizing vowels and consonants. If you can't parse the difference between the two, perhaps FOX really is all you need/deserve. 
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We have made lousy trade agreements for decades ... While it is important for US companies to be able to enter new markets, we have done such a crappy job of balancing the scales on pretty much any trade agreement made by the US in the past 30 years or so. Other countries/markets abuse us, and we just take it. Look at how China, during this and the last administration, has played games with their currency to bottom out their prices, and to obliterate many entire US industries. How have we responded? "Uh ... please don't do that ... or we'll ...... umm ........ do nothing".  Then we begin a new trade agreement that is worse than all that came before it. I don't know why anyone wants to support either side, because both sides have sold us out with lousy trade agreements.
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