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lol How about Fedor then?

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The Clippers are a team to watch for the Brendan Haywood contract if they want cap relief. J.J. Redick or Jamal Crawford.


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man I hope they don't trade for Johnson. He's been mailing it in for years. I'd rather re-sign JR and just cut Haywood.

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don't want Redick either. He was a big reason the Clippers lost their series. He was just awful.

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Love to see the whole team being brought back together.... Pretty hilarious how the national writers all had it wrong, and then kicked the story under the rug to make sure they didn't look dumber... Kevin Love said all year long he was coming back, yet we had to keep hearing that garbage sources said he was gone. Hell, he didn't even do the 1 year plan to make more money next year, he's in for the long haul.

Shump at 10 million per is a risk, because of the injuries, but he fits in so well with this team, and hopefully with some depth added and an improved philosophy about minutes from David Blatt, we can preserve him.

But man, the Spurs.... A front line of Leonard, Aldridge, and Timmy is pretty lethal (although looking 12 months ahead, the Cavs match up well) I think you just assume San Antonio will always have a good bench because of the Pop factor. The league is going to be so fun next year.

I know there is a small percentage of people out there who wanted to keep Wiggins but the Cavs 100% made the right call trading for Love. It did not start out well, but as the season progressed, he got more comfortable.

The Cavs still have guys healing, and probably will going into the start of the new season, but I think they're going to fly right out of the gate.

Still some moves left, love all these rumors flying around, hopefully we can find another PG somewhere along the way.

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I agree at the very least for us fans, it's fun/exciting just to hear the rumors with these free agents.

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Deandre Jordan is gonna regret going to Dallas. I think Dallas misses the playoffs next year. I would have liked to have seen Jordan go to New Orleans.

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don't want Redick either. He was a big reason the Clippers lost their series. He was just awful.


Redick would be absolutely awesome on the Cavs. He was asked to do too much as a Clipper. That's not his game.

I would take him in a heartbeat.


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Deandre Jordan is gonna regret going to Dallas. I think Dallas misses the playoffs next year. I would have liked to have seen Jordan go to New Orleans.


I know the West is good, but this up coming Mavs team is better than last year's...

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He played bad defense and had mind numbingly bad turnovers over and over. Not sure what about that would be great for the Cavs.

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I don't think it's ever a bad thing to add another shooter of his caliber to the team. I watched a lot of the Clipper games and they ran him ragged. I think they wore him down. They depended on his scoring too much. Always running plays for him. And he has to work so hard to get open. That tires you out and turnovers and bad defense follow. Although being a great defender will never be his thing.

His role would be completely different with the Cavs. He would be extra offense. He wouldn't have to work as hard to get his shot. Others could create for him. His extra offense could help on nights where the Big 3 are off. The defense could be an issue. But he wouldn't be playing as many minutes with the Cavs either.

I think he could be good for another 3-5 wins next year. The more shooters, the better, IMO.


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Cavaliers reportedly considering including Anderson Varejao in trade with Brooklyn Nets for Joe Johnson.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2015/...de-joe-johnson/

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Sign TT, sign Lebron (of course), trade for Joe Johnson (letting JR leave), and then sign David West. That would really reshape this roster for the better.

Wouldn't we still need a better backup PG too? Norris Cole? He played with Lebron on the winning Finals team a few years back. Maybe he's interested in getting paid now that he has a ring.


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Cavaliers reportedly considering including Anderson Varejao in trade with Brooklyn Nets for Joe Johnson.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2015/...de-joe-johnson/


I'm all for it. We acquire a good shooting guard at the expense of a highly paid, highly injury proned player and another player who we don't really have a need/purpose for since we going sign TT as all signs point too.

Win win in my eyes.

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Getting West to agree to whatever Mid Level Expectation we have would be key to giving up Andy..

Trade for Joe Johnson, Sign West, and get Mo Williams at a vet minimum..

Kyrie/Mo
Johnson/Shump
LeBron
Love/West
Mosgov/TT

With Delly, Harris, and Miller left over..


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Originally Posted By: ThatGuy
Getting West to agree to whatever Mid Level Expectation we have would be key to giving up Andy..

Trade for Joe Johnson, Sign West, and get Mo Williams at a vet minimum..

Kyrie/Mo
Johnson/Shump
LeBron
Love/West
Mosgov/TT

With Delly, Harris, and Miller left over..


I'm not sure I want Mo back, but yes, that's about the roster I want.


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Can we add Mike Miller to the Joe Johnson deal just to get rid of him and have some room for the rookies to grow?

I'd love to use the regular season to giving Harris and the young guys some legit time to develop.. in case we have to call on them again..


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This is purely a sentimental statement, I would hate to see Andy go when we're this close after he's hung in here so long.

But if it has to be it has to be.


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Originally Posted By: MrTed
This is purely a sentimental statement, I would hate to see Andy go when we're this close after he's hung in here so long.

But if it has to be it has to be.


We are so close that, keeping him is almost a liability. Five years of non stop injuries, his last one being the ruptured tendon, which I'm not Dr, but is supposed to be difficult to recover fully from. Especially for older players who has had inflammatory issue.

We don't need him as a sideline cheerleader anymore. It's not a "goodbye good riddance" ordeal, just can't rely on him. I can't anyway.

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He should of been traded three years ago..

If anything, the Nets will most likely waive him, and then you can bring him back to cheerlead after a month on a minimum deal..


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Originally Posted By: ThatGuy
He should of been traded three years ago..

If anything, the Nets will most likely waive him, and then you can bring him back to cheerlead after a month on a minimum deal..


Can't re-sign him right away, I believe there's a waiting period now.


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This is purely a sentimental statement, I would hate to see Andy go when we're this close after he's hung in here so long.

But if it has to be it has to be.


We are so close that, keeping him is almost a liability. Five years of non stop injuries, his last one being the ruptured tendon, which I'm not Dr, but is supposed to be difficult to recover fully from. Especially for older players who has had inflammatory issue.

We don't need him as a sideline cheerleader anymore. It's not a "goodbye good riddance" ordeal, just can't rely on him. I can't anyway.


This is how I feel. Horrible mistake giving him his recent contract. The Cavs have been more than good to him as well considering he can't even stay on the court.

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He should of been traded three years ago..

If anything, the Nets will most likely waive him, and then you can bring him back to cheerlead after a month on a minimum deal..


Can't re-sign him right away, I believe there's a waiting period now.


1 full year, IIRC.

The league got all ticked off a few years ago about us re-signing Z after trading him.


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I seem to recall that his final season is a $15 million non guaranteed year. (I think it was in a Pluto article, and he usually know what he's talking about) That could be a Haywood deal +.


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It's $10 million non-guaranteed. His second to last year is mostly guaranteed, but a million of it is not. (Not sure why they would make a contract like that). I've seen several media people report that his last two years are not guaranteed, but that's not really true.

And you're also correct about the waive/re-sign. After Z, the league put in a rule that requires a one-year waiting period before a player can return to a team that traded him.

At any rate, I'm not sure we should really worry about this. The whole rumor is being driven by Brian Windhorst. The guy has a batting average worse than Nick Swisher when it comes to getting these stories correct. If anything, it's probably the Cavs trying to drum up some "noise" to try and scare JR Smith into signing a more reasonable contract.

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I'd be okay with Varajeo getting traded if it turned into a couple of pairs of fresh legs. Not even great players, but give me two more "hussle" guys and I think we'd be in a great spot.

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I'd be okay with Varajeo getting traded if it turned into a couple of pairs of fresh legs. Not even great players, but give me to more "hussle" guys and I think we'd be in a great spot.


Right, it's insane to think we could have 5 max players next season (Lebron, Kyrie, Kevin, TT and JJ), but if we can turn Varejo and Haywood into JJ and that Gilbert is okay signing the checks, go for it.

I'd like to see Varejo in the Cleveland title parade, but we have to win a title before the parade can happen. And we need more talent to win a title against the West.


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west just signed in san antonio


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I'm okay w/West not coming here. I thought he would clog the paint up a bit. I don't like him going to San Antonio, though.

I am not a huge fan of the proposed trade for Joe Johnson. I wouldn't mind trading Andy for the right guy, but I have some real concerns about Johnson.

I really liked the guy early in his career. He was a natural scorer. Hit the J, back you down, get some put-backs, etc. However, he always seemed to disappear in big games.

He takes a lot of shots and dribbles a bit too much which can stymie ball movement. He also had some horrendous shooting games again in this year's playoffs.

I really don't think he would be a good fit here.

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Would we rather have Jamal Crawford? That's being reported now


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I'm okay w/West not coming here. I thought he would clog the paint up a bit. I don't like him going to San Antonio, though.

I am not a huge fan of the proposed trade for Joe Johnson. I wouldn't mind trading Andy for the right guy, but I have some real concerns about Johnson.

I really liked the guy early in his career. He was a natural scorer. Hit the J, back you down, get some put-backs, etc. However, he always seemed to disappear in big games.

He takes a lot of shots and dribbles a bit too much which can stymie ball movement. He also had some horrendous shooting games again in this year's playoffs.

I really don't think he would be a good fit here.


JJ's role would be pretty much that of JR Smith. Hit open 3's and play a little defense. I don't think he would be asked to do to much. He'd probably be a little more consistent than JR.

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I don't think he is a great defender or distributor...or even good at those things, but I think his offensive game fits in better w/the Cavs than Joe Johnson's does. I think he can get shots up and can provide some spark to the second rotation.

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If it is Crawford for Haywood and we keep Varejao then I'm for it. Certainly over Redick and Johnson.

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Mo Williams agrees to 2-year, $4.3 million deal with the Cavaliers

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/6/8856415/mo-williams-cavaliers-2015-nba-free-agency

Free agent point guard Mo Williams has reached an agreement to join the Cavaliers on a two-year, $4.3 million deal, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. The second year is a player option.

Williams started the season with the Minnesota Timberwolves last year but ended up finishing in Charlotte, where he was asked to score and averaged 17 points per game. It came with a price: he only shot 39 percent from the floor and 34 percent on three-pointers because at this point of his career, the 32-year-old guard shouldn't be asked to be a high-volume shooter anymore. The Cavaliers and Mavericks were both rumored to be front-runners for his services this offseason but he chose his former team.

In 11 years, Williams has already played for seven NBA franchises. He's mostly known for his shooting, nailing 38 percent of his three-pointers throughout his career including a couple seasons over 42 percent in Cleveland. He averaged more than six assists at both of his stops last season, although it came at the cost of about 2.5 turnovers each time.

As long as you don't ask him to do too much, Williams can still be a dangerous knock-down shooter and make some plays for a quality team. The big question is whether he'll be willing to take a little less money to join a more optimal fit.

Williams spent three seasons with the Cavaliers -- the first two with LeBron James. Despite Matthew Dellavedova's memorable Finals performances, Williams is there to take his role as the backup point guard. He's a more reliable shooter with some extra creativity off the dribble and thanks to their prior years together, the Cavaliers know he'll get along with James.

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2 for $4.3m? That seems less than the exception, but more than a minimum. I wonder which it was.

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They used part of their taxpayer exception.

I am happy to see Mo coming back. I loved the way he stood up for the city of Cleveland when Lebron left, and I love that he has said that he also is "coming home". Moalways loved being in Cleveland. I am glad he's back.

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It was a Tweet instead of a Sports Illustrated bomb, but for the second consecutive July a free agent joined the Cavaliers to the words "I'm coming home."

Veteran point guard Mo Williams agreed to terms on a two-year deal worth $4.3 million with the Cavs on Monday, returning to the franchise where he and LeBron James once dominated the NBA regular season together but fell short twice during the playoffs.

Williams, who can back up Kyrie Irving or start if Irving's knee is not fully recovered from surgery when the season begins in October, confirmed his return via Twitter.

He used James' words from the famous Sports Illustrated piece announcing his return to the Cavs last summer.

"I'm coming home!!!!! #cavsnation #cityilove #questforaring," Williams said.

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Now, James and Williams will reunite to do what they could not in their last Cleveland go-around together: try to win an NBA crown.

Well, technically the two are not yet again a pair. Players cannot sign new contracts until Thursday, and James has yet to start negotiations on his new deal with the Cavs.

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Williams' agreement with the Cavs was first reported by Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. The Northeast Ohio Media Group confirmed the agreement, which includes a player option, and reported several days ago that both Williams and the Cavs were interested in a reunion.

The Cavs used part of their nearly $3.5 million taxpayer salary cap exemption to sign Williams and have $1.3 million remaining.

Williams, 32, averaged 14.2 points and 6.2 assists for Minnesota and Charlotte last season. He shot 34 percent from three-point range and is a career 38 percent shooter from beyond the arc.

Williams was part of Cleveland's back-to-back 60-win teams in 2008-09 and 09-10. The Cavs won 66 games in 2008-09 (when Williams made the East All-Star team) but lost in the conference finals to the Magic, and posted 61 wins the following season before falling to Boston in the conference semifinals.

James left for Miami following the 2009-10 season, and Williams was traded the following Februrary to the Clippers for Baron Davis and a first-round pick the Cavs used on Irving.

Williams averaged 16.2 points in nearly three seasons with Cleveland.

A source said James had no involvement in the Cavs' recruitment of Williams. As a free agent, James wants Cleveland to sign Tristan Thompson to a long-term contract before he will negotiate with the team. Thompson is represented by James' agent, Rich Paul.

Negotiations have stalled between Thompson and the Cavs, according to multiple sources, with no timeline for a deal.

Even with the Williams signing, the Cavs are likely to retain Matthew Dellavedova, a restricted free agent who started at point guard in the Finals because of Irving's broken knee cap.

Cleveland is also attempting to move Brendan Haywood's non-guaranteed, $10.5 million contract, and is considering whether or not to retain free agent J.R. Smith.


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I'd make Mo Kyries backup.

Kyrie / Mo
Shump / Della (better fit for him)
LBJ / JR
Love / TT
Moz / Andy


Ooooooooooh buddy I'm excited. Too bad the damn Spurs keep being the damn Spurs. It's safe to say once we resign our guys, we're on a collision course for the Finals.

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I don't think that JR will be back, unless he significantly lowers his expectations. I could see us doing a 2 year deal worth $10 million or so .... but I just have a hard time seeing much more than that. I think that we will use the Haywood deal to find a player (or 2) to add to the team. I can see the Cavaliers taking a bad contract in exchange for the Haywood deal, but wanting a younger player of quality in addition for helping the other team out of their cap problems.

It should be interesting.


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I'm hoping JR is back. Streaky shooter though. When he's hot, he's lights out. When, he's cold......ouch...

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