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Just remember OL is the safest investment for a team and I guess fan in buying their jersey...just do me a favor Kelso....don't buy a Mack Jersey...we need him to hang on here!

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
One of our FO guys probably needed a weed connection.


He would probably just send him a text.


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One of our FO guys probably needed a weed connection.


He would probably just send him a text.



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One of our FO guys probably needed a weed connection.


He would probably just send him a text.



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Dwayne Bowe plans to fill Josh Gordon's shoes


By Kevin Patra
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Published: July 4, 2015 at 12:39 p.m

Dwayne Bowe traded one receiver-needy team for another when he signed with the Cleveland Browns this offseason. The wideout said he plans to fill the No. 1 role vacated by the suspended Josh Gordon.

"When Josh was here he was the touchdown man and I'm here to fill his shoes,'' Bowe told Northeast Ohio Media Group during minicamp. "It's my job to do that in this offense and I believe I can do that."

Bowe was part of a Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver corps that did not score a single touchdown last season. The 30-year-old pass-catcher said the trouble in K.C. was the lack of red zone targets.

"I didn't get one shot in the end zone,'' he said."I think it's in Ripley's Believe It or Not...

"I got us down in scoring range and with our offense, it was based on running back to the tight end and my job was to play football,'' he added. "I never complained. I always did my job to get us down there but the chips just didn't fall my way. That's all I can control.''

Bowe had 60 receptions for 754 yards in 2014, his third straight year under 1,000 yards. He scored a total of 44 touchdowns during eight seasons in Kansas City, but his 15-score 2010 season seems more an aberration than duplicable.

While his game film showed a receiver struggling to earn separation from cornerbacks, Bowe -- indirectly -- blamed his lack of big plays partially on the Chiefs offense and quarterback Alex Smith. He said he's excited to play with a bigger quarterback, like Josh McCown.

"It's going to be exciting, especially with a new uniform, a new city, new everything, I'm going to feel good," he said. "With Alex Mack and Joe Thomas, we're going to have a lot of time to hit that deep ball even in the red zone. I never had a quarterback like Josh that was that tall and could see the mismatch and really go to it. He's got my confidence level high right now.''

McCown was at his best two years ago in Chicago, tossing passes up to Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Marshall. Bowe might get more deep shots in Cleveland than he did in K.C., but we don't expect him to be anything close to hitting the marks of Jeffery, Marshall or Gordon.

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We've all seen articles like this before and then nothing happens. I really don't have high hopes for Bowe. It worries me that neither of our 2 starting WR are known for getting separation. Both of them have some strength in body positioning against the CB a la what Hartline did against Skrine in 2013. I would be more okay with that style if we had a QB that could consistently hit those kinds of targets.


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Well Josh only scored 14 TDs in 3 seasons 35 games. So I wouldn't consider him a TD maker. His Pro Bowl season he scored 9. Granted our QB situation was not good but still I guess after a season where he had little or no opportunities to score Bowe welcomes the role of 9 TDs. Hope to see double digits from the guy!

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"I got us down in scoring range and with our offense, it was based on running back to the tight end ...

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That may not change much here...


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Dwayne Bowe plans to fill Josh Gordon's shoes


By Kevin Patra
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Published: July 4, 2015 at 12:39 p.m

Dwayne Bowe traded one receiver-needy team for another when he signed with the Cleveland Browns this offseason. The wideout said he plans to fill the No. 1 role vacated by the suspended Josh Gordon.

"When Josh was here he was the touchdown man and I'm here to fill his shoes,'' Bowe told Northeast Ohio Media Group during minicamp. "It's my job to do that in this offense and I believe I can do that."

Bowe was part of a Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver corps that did not score a single touchdown last season. The 30-year-old pass-catcher said the trouble in K.C. was the lack of red zone targets.

"I didn't get one shot in the end zone,'' he said."I think it's in Ripley's Believe It or Not...

"I got us down in scoring range and with our offense, it was based on running back to the tight end and my job was to play football,'' he added. "I never complained. I always did my job to get us down there but the chips just didn't fall my way. That's all I can control.''

Bowe had 60 receptions for 754 yards in 2014, his third straight year under 1,000 yards. He scored a total of 44 touchdowns during eight seasons in Kansas City, but his 15-score 2010 season seems more an aberration than duplicable.

While his game film showed a receiver struggling to earn separation from cornerbacks, Bowe -- indirectly -- blamed his lack of big plays partially on the Chiefs offense and quarterback Alex Smith. He said he's excited to play with a bigger quarterback, like Josh McCown.

"It's going to be exciting, especially with a new uniform, a new city, new everything, I'm going to feel good," he said. "With Alex Mack and Joe Thomas, we're going to have a lot of time to hit that deep ball even in the red zone. I never had a quarterback like Josh that was that tall and could see the mismatch and really go to it. He's got my confidence level high right now.''

McCown was at his best two years ago in Chicago, tossing passes up to Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Marshall. Bowe might get more deep shots in Cleveland than he did in K.C., but we don't expect him to be anything close to hitting the marks of Jeffery, Marshall or Gordon.

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Bowe just needs to shut up, coming off a pretty dismal year, and do it on the field. All this talk, maybe he doesn't know since he's new to Cleveland, but we are use to it and we are sick of it.

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If or until he's reinstated, I don't car about him.


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Currently VERY easy to replace. Gordon who? until he is back.


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Bowe just needs to shut up, coming off a pretty dismal year, and do it on the field. All this talk, maybe he doesn't know since he's new to Cleveland, but we are use to it and we are sick of it.

Please speak for yourself. "We are sick of it" - I for one am not sick of any Browns player that is getting excited. Sure its the dead zone.

But I for one am glad he didn't shut up and stated the following:

"It's going to be exciting, especially with a new uniform, a new city, new everything, I'm going to feel good," he said. "With Alex Mack and Joe Thomas, we're going to have a lot of time to hit that deep ball even in the red zone. I never had a quarterback like Josh that was that tall and could see the mismatch and really go to it. He's got my confidence level high right now.''


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It's Bowe or Bust!...LOL...That's scary.

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Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
It's Bowe or Bust!...LOL...That's scary.


Before you hit play, picture the following:

-Bowfinger is...well, Bowe
-The camera crew is an NFL film crew
-Steve Martin is Flip trying to explain the offense..
-And getting across the freeway is Bowe trying to get separation.

It made me laugh...
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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
If or until he's reinstated, I don't car about him.


I still care about his future in Cleveland...greatly. When I saw him play he was one of the best WR I've ever seen wear a Browns uniform. I want to see that again...for a long time. I'm hoping he can get another chance here and put other issues to bed. At this point, that's a long shot but the kid has talent I prefer be utilized here.


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I'm hoping he can get another chance here ...


I wonder if the FO thinks that way also. If he can stay "clean", it may be worth it. If they didn't believe this, wouldn't they have released him (or can they while under suspension)?


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If or until he's reinstated, I don't car about him.


I still care about his future in Cleveland...greatly. When I saw him play he was one of the best WR I've ever seen wear a Browns uniform. I want to see that again...for a long time. I'm hoping he can get another chance here and put other issues to bed. At this point, that's a long shot but the kid has talent I prefer be utilized here.



And IF OR WHEN He's reinstated, I'll care about his future also.,.,.. As of right now, he's a nobody to me.. He comes back clean, cool.. I'll root for him all day long.


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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB

Bowe just needs to shut up, coming off a pretty dismal year, and do it on the field. All this talk, maybe he doesn't know since he's new to Cleveland, but we are use to it and we are sick of it.



LOL..And Gordon is golden with his performance last year right? rofl I'm glad we have a player that's happy to be here and speaks up about it.


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Bowe just needs to shut up, coming off a pretty dismal year, and do it on the field. All this talk, maybe he doesn't know since he's new to Cleveland, but we are use to it and we are sick of it.



LOL..And Gordon is golden with his performance last year right? rofl I'm glad we have a player that's happy to be here and speaks up about it.


He's happy to be here, but that doesn't translate to production on the field...

What do you want more? Someone happy, or someone productive?

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Gordon had one very good year. However, he sucked when he was on the field last year. I don't think one year makes a guy a great WR.

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Not only did Gordon utterly suck last year - when he finally got to play - he wasn't here for most of last year in the first place. He's also not going to be here for all of this coming year.

Bowe could half-ass his routes and he would STILL be better than a guy that does everything he can to NOT get on the field, and when he does he's just going through the motions.

Last year, after he was *finally* allowed to play, Gordon was very clearly living on the hype of his rookie season, and he very clearly had no work ethic. He was out of shape and had absolutely no clue at all on where to be or where to go. He caused more problems for the offense than the defenses we played simply because our "genius" OC of last year was enamored with the guy and kept calling plays where he was one of the primary reads. Add in Hoyer also being fixated on him and Gordon was most definitely a textbook case of subtraction by addition.


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prp...I agree...

so why do the Browns keep Gordon around?..

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prp...I agree...

so why do the Browns keep Gordon around?..

TRADE BAIT !


Why?

Because it's a Win-Win situation for us.
His value will never be lower than right now (unless he screws up again), so you can't trade him.
If you cut him, he can then sign with anyone and we get nothing for our troubles.
If we hang onto him, however, we stand the best chance of cashing in. He knows that his next misstep puts him out of the league for good... so, I'd expect him to be a different Josh going forward. He's completely out of 2nd & 3rd chances, and I believe he knows it. So, if he comes back and is focused and can apply himself, we cash in AND we look like the good guys for sticking by him all through the tough times. If he falls on his face, oh well, we move on and we've lost nothing.

No matter how it falls, the team does Ok.
Hopefully, for him AND US, he gets it together and comes back - in shape and with a chip on his shoulder - and ready to work. He's got a ton of free time to work out.


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Gordon had one very good year. However, he sucked when he was on the field last year. I don't think one year makes a guy a great WR.


Yep. If Gordon's career (at least with CLE) ends now, Braylon Edwards was a better receiver for the Browns.

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Not only did Gordon utterly suck last year - when he finally got to play - he wasn't here for most of last year in the first place. He's also not going to be here for all of this coming year.

Bowe could half-ass his routes and he would STILL be better than a guy that does everything he can to NOT get on the field, and when he does he's just going through the motions.

Last year, after he was *finally* allowed to play, Gordon was very clearly living on the hype of his rookie season, and he very clearly had no work ethic. He was out of shape and had absolutely no clue at all on where to be or where to go. He caused more problems for the offense than the defenses we played simply because our "genius" OC of last year was enamored with the guy and kept calling plays where he was one of the primary reads. Add in Hoyer also being fixated on him and Gordon was most definitely a textbook case of subtraction by addition.


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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Certainly the timing coincides...


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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Please explain why you would think this.

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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Please explain why you would think this.


i thought purp said it pretty well.


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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Please explain why you would think this.


i thought purp said it pretty well.


He explained why Gordon didn't play well but that alone didn't end the Browns chances at the playoffs. Seems odd you'd think a player with no real control of the game responsible for failure to make the playoffs interesting. thumbsup

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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Please explain why you would think this.


i thought purp said it pretty well.


He explained why Gordon didn't play well but that alone didn't end the Browns chances at the playoffs. Seems odd you'd think a player with no real control of the game responsible for failure to make the playoffs interesting. thumbsup


what purp said.

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well if gordon was not there then the OC would not have been enamored with the guy, hoyer would not have fixated on him.

now if gordon would have put in effort, had a clue as to what was going on, and been in shape then the OC and QB would have looked great by getting the ball to him. bottom line is we would have been better off without him.


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It did seem like JG hurt us more than he helped when he came back. Brian Hoyer and the rest of his teammates thought he was ready to go; he obviously wasn't.

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bottom line is we would have been better off without him.



That statement I agree with but Gordon wasn't in on every play so who was the QB fixated on when Gordon was on the sideline?

What led you to the conclusion that the OC was enamored with the guy and Hoyer was fixated on him. That doesn't sound like something a NFL starting QB and a good OC would do, why would they let the playoffs get away just to get plays to ONE player.

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bottom line is we would have been better off without him.



That statement I agree with but Gordon wasn't in on every play so who was the QB fixated on when Gordon was on the sideline?

What led you to the conclusion that the OC was enamored with the guy and Hoyer was fixated on him. That doesn't sound like something a NFL starting QB and a good OC would do, why would they let the playoffs get away just to get plays to ONE player.



not going to argue with you. to be blunt none of the 3 are on the team anymore lol.


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not going to argue with you. to be blunt none of the 3 are on the team anymore lol.


Not true Gordon is still on the payroll just suspended, the other is you are stating Hoyer was a bad QB for fixating on one player and Shanny was a bad OC for being enamored with one player and letting Gordon keep the Browns out of the playoffs. brownie

I'll take your word that neither were good. thumbsup

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Not true Gordon is still on the payroll just suspended,


no. he is banned from the nfl.


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yea. i really do think the day he came back ended all chance of the play offs.


Please explain why you would think this.


I agree with Pblack.. My reasons are simple, Gordon wasn't ready to play yet we inserted him. He made one boneheaded play after another (or so it appeared) and I think in the end, ended up costing us games.

JMO, but I believe I'm right.


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no. he is banned from the nfl.


NFL suspends WR Josh Gordon

2/4/2015 - NFL Josh Gordon

In a statement, general manager Ray Farmer was blunt in his assessment of Gordon.

"Our hope is that this suspension affords Josh the opportunity to gain some clarity in determining what he wants to accomplish moving forward and if he wants a career in the National Football League. We will have no further comment on Josh as he will not be permitted in our facility for the duration of his suspension."
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Really?

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Suspended or banned? Either way, does he not have to apply for reinstatement?


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and thats difference between being Suspended and banned.


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