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I'd worry how `socialist` a socialist really is if they aren't for arming the working class. Typically a revolutionary socialist is pro-gun as a counter against tyranny.

His "socialism" is considered a middle of the road politician by European standards. Partly the branding is his fault, but he can easily explain all that he stands for.

Doesn't really matter. There are more poor people than working people. The canidate that panders to their ability to leech and suck the working class dry while they do little to nothing to earn it will win the election. That is exactly what liberals have always fought for.

If you populate the country with enough ignorant, self-absorbed people it then becomes very easy to manipulate and control them. Government housing, government food, government money, and all you have to do is vote liberal.

Don't believe me? Watch the candidates. They will start to talk about how terrible it is our soldiers get used too much since it's mostly poor kids in the non-officer ranks. They will pound it in that we need healthcare that works for the poor since they know the poor often need it most due to malnutrition from high food costs and even poorer decision making.

They will only talk about jobs as something abstract and with no specific solutions because quite frankly they have more power if people are poor and reliant on the government. They don't have solutions and they would even fight to stop them if they did.

They will preach about raising min wage to give the working poor a carrot to vote for them knowing full well it will force many small businesses out of business. Just like they knew that forcing employers to offer insurance on full time employees would cause a huge increase of full time jobs being converted into part time jobs.

A growing segment of poor in our society is exactly what liberals want because it gives them more political power and control over the people. You couldn't buy a poor person's vote any cheaper than simply making even more people poor and giving them free food and a place to sleep.

It's disgusting.

One can only hope Trump gets in. Maybe I'm old school but I love guys that don't follow the new PC format. Jeb is a Bush, Bernie is a socialist and not a road we want to go down and Hillary has done nothing outside of being criminal and riding her husbands career. Sorry nothing interesting here....Trump in 16!

Don't you draw disability? You are one of those "won't vote your own best interest" types... stop drinking the Koolaide and you won't have that puke taste in your mouth. Thanks for the chuckle.

WAIT A MINUTE! You can't be against Bernie Sanders then turn around in your next post and basically quote his platform! What the heck Ytown? Have you even listened to the guy or are you just taking the stance you have straight from the Fox News crowd? Listen to just two of his full stumps and tell me then you don't like him.

He wants to make the min wage a living wage, but he is supper focused on rebuilding the MIDDLE Class.

"SOCIALISM?!" scares too many people off. No one bothers to seperate the reality that socialism doesn't equal national socialist party of Germany.

When was Hillary President? Bernie has as much or more experience then Hillary in government and ZERO problems with controversy. He scares the hell out of the GOP. He's not taking money from rich or super pacs. He's after wall street, the billionaires that buy elections and the companies that ship jobs over seas... Those are the sacred GOP Cows!

The uneducated voter is scared off by that, because they drink the Fox and Friends koolaide...

Bernie needs to be smacked in the head with an economics book.

He's not asking for anything too radical, honesty. He just wants to go back to how economic policy ran during the Eisenhower days. The 1% won't truly pay 90% on taxes, due to the loopholes that existed back then, but more cash flow will exist to pump in programs that will benefit the majority of Americans.

The American populace are ready for single payer, lower college tuition, and student loan forgiveness. Multiple polls show these ideas rank high, and that includes how to fund it with higher taxes. However, the media spins it as "socialism" and boogeyman claims due to sway from the corporations who fund media (this includes FOX, ABC, etc.) groups.

It's not in the interest of our corporate plutocracy to let Bernie Sanders win. Any candidate, including Hillary Clinton, will continue to carry out the agenda of corporate America, just like Obama has, to further corporate power in our country.

Our democratic republic died a long time ago, and even Eisenhower warned us it would.

Ugh. The mere thought of that makes my blood boil. If you couldn't afford it you shouldn't have gone. Just like the housing market - people bit off more than they could chew going to expensive private institutions (or even state ones) and got degrees in useless fields. No way will I ever back that, but it will get lots of votes.

I see both sides of that argument.

Many get duped by universities into picking some awful major with no job prospects. I remember hearing "You'll get a job with you degree!" at my college visits (OSU, University of Akron, and the University of Toledo), but I knew Art History and Journalism lead down poor paying paths.

Others have an idea of what they want to do, but they can't afford it.

University/College education turned into a huge business. It's absolutely awful.

A university education isn't necessary, but employers want it as they're "required" to have a "degree" as a basic requirement for some jobs that don't need it. Why is that? It's because it drives the industry of Universities making a ridiculous amount of cash off of expensive paperweight degrees.

You mean, like, degrees in "fashion design", or perhaps my favorite "college studies"? Perhaps that degree in "recreational studies" like my cousin has? Or, those 4 years her husband spent playing baseball in college - with no interest in getting a degree?

Certain types of students in certain degrees should receive full loan forgiveness. Certain professions (teachers, and maybe a few others?) receive partial loan forgiveness upon completion of a certain numbers of years of service. Public servants (Police, public school teachers, social workers, nurses, doctors, etc) upon a successful completion of x number of years of employment should receive full loan forgiveness.

Those who major in liberal arts? Well, you're on your own.

Haven't the Parasites sucked enough blood with free rides in this Country already? I will vote YES!

I know some do get loan forgiveness. I don't know that they SHOULD in many cases. I can see the doctor or nurse getting something if they serve in an area that is severely lacking, teachers also.

But, a doctor, nurse, teacher - those are decent paying jobs (doctor best, nurse second, teacher third in list, obviously).

But like you said - a degree in "college studies" to me means "hey, I put in 4 years, they even allowed me to go a fifth year. I had a great time, but now I can't get a job other than working in a factory or gas station". That probably comes across as harsh and I don't mean it that way. Same with "fashion design". Friends daughter has a degree in it. She's now in Europe. Working as a nanny.

He (friend) is an electrician, with no college, no college loans. Makes very good money.

Bro in law - home schooled, no college, no schooling after home schooled high school. Guy is a crack mechanic. I was just at their place last week - he had over 20 atv's in his shop that needed work, 4 autos, 3 or 4 Sea doos/jet skis. And get this - he farms full time for a guy and fixes stuff in the evenings or on rainy days. Makes a good amount of money - more than his physical therapist wife (my sis).

I suppose my business degree helps me currently - to a very limited degree though. I surely wouldn't have needed it in order to do what I do. But then again, 14 years ago if you had told me I'd be doing what I am, I'd have called you a liar.

More to the point: Colleges/universities are doing whatever they can to: get "customers/consumers". If that involves offering degrees in cow poop, they'll do it. How do they do it? Spending money on dorms, student unions, restaurants on campus, etc.

Agreed, just goes to show how if you work hard in this country you get screwed, but make poor decisions and the government will bail you out.

I am extremely hopeful that I will find some way out of this nightmare situation that I find myself in currently, and back to full time work where I can build be savings back up, and provide 100% for myself again.

I also feel that this country is heading down a path towards disaster with its spending. We throw money at every single problem, and expect that the money will just continue to be there. One day, and possibly not that long off, the rest of the world will develop to the point where we won't matter that much in the global scale, and our spending will absolutely bury us.

The media spins it as socialism? I'm curious what you spin it as when the government controls healthcare, pays for most if not all of your higher education, and Jack's up taxes on the wealthy So they can pump money into social programs. If That's not a big step toward socialism, what exactly would you call it?

Why did no one cry back when Eisenhower was president about socialism?

I don't believe that the 2 can happen simultaneously. You cannot prop up the bottom, making work which is not that valuable in the larger scheme of things into valuable work, and also build up the middle and upper management levels. It just does not work. Business is a balance. People risk their money in pursuit of profits. They do not do it to feel good about how they are doing nice things for people.

I was in the restaurant business for years. I know several managers still in the business, and that Taco Bell has changed its management structure, so that now the only salaried manager in a store is the GM. The rest are hourly, and their wages have diminished in the process of moving to hourly status. They also are not allowed to work any overtime, so they will never earn what they did before.

That helps those a great deal.

This is what happens when we increase the financial burden on business. We have told businesses that if they have too many full time employees, they have to pay healthcare benefits .... so they cut full time employment to the bone. We have told business that they may have to change the way they pay salaried employees, so they cut salaried positions. Minimum wage employees get massive wage increases that they never earned, so many who had earned raises lose out by not getting back to the level they were at. Middle management loses out, because while they were taking smaller and smaller raises, their entry level employees are being paid more and more. There is a leveling out of wages, pushing the bottom into the middle, and pushing the middle down. There is nothing that Sanders can do to change the requirement of business to make a profit, and when wage pressures push up from the bottom, someone else has to lose.

The rich are getting richer simply because they can afford to take bigger risks than everyone else. There was a time where a man could save his money, put it in the bank, and earn something. However, with the way the government has monkeyed around with monetary policy, an absolute need now that the deficit is so incredibly huge, people now earn nothing on their savings. In fact, a man who saves his money, in the bank, loses over time as inflation runs ahead of the 0.25% interest rates being paid. The government tells us that we should invest, but what happens when things get choppy in the markets? Those withthe most to lkose get out, and those with nothing to lose buy at bargain prices. This is simply the reality of the market, and life, that those with more will be able to risk more. That is why the rich continue to get richer. The poor slob with his entire 401K wrapped up in a fund that is taking massive hits in the market has to get out before the bottom falls out, especially if he is anywhere near retirement. He can't take that risk. However, he has nowhere to put that money where it does anything except to lose value. There are going to be a lot of people who are going to lose a lot when the market has its next "correction", and they are going to lose a lot, because the next big correction is not going to be just "big", it's going to be enormous. The middle will be crushed for good, and there will be a 2 class system, and nothing Sanders will/can do will change that.

I will also say this .... despite his proclamation of being an outsider, he has voted pretty much lockstep with the Democrats through the years. He has caucused with them throughout the years.

I actually do agree with him on some things. He has, IIRC, said that he favors a national service program in place of traditional welfare. That is a position that I have long held .... but more as a local program, where able bodied people who take benefits should work for them. However, I strongly disagree with him on many other issues. I will never support his agenda, because his history shows that he will be in conflict with my beliefs.

And the nazi party was fascist, not socialist. And in many ways fascism and socialism are just progressions out of a capitalist society. Typically capitalism adopts socialist practices when economies do well (see switzerland/sweden/findland et al) and capitalism turns to fascism when economies do poorly (nazi germany, fascist italy and others).

The rich are getting richer because the system is rigged. There is NO AMERICAN DREAM ANYMORE... Wake up.

Bernie Sanders would be the absolute best thing that could happen to this country right now. A few good checks and balances and a few more countermeasures to insure the rich don't run rampant and crash the economy again.

Restore the power of the middle class. Most on this board will only EVER be at best Middle Class. If it completely disappears there is no way up. NONE.

These guys cringing over helping REAL PEOPLE go out and vote for guys who do nothing BUT SUPPORT THE CORPS, THE RICH AND THEIR CRONIES! Putting a guy like Trump in office would be pure insanity! He's just a big mouth jackass... NO SUBSTANCE AT ALL. He would FIRE the middle class because at the end of the day he wants it all... always has.

Bush 3? That doesn't even need to be discussed.

Hillary if we have to? Sure... BUT BERNIE is better for ALL OF US REAL PEOPLE.

MEET BERNIE SANDERS:

1 Year ago... No presidential bid on the line.


In January this year...


Watch Bernie on Youtube, learn about him... then if you don't like him I would understand. But calling people parasites and spewing Fox News rhetoric is a waste of all our time. This guy would make a fantastic President for all of us.

That is BS. The American Dream exist but what is missing is the American work ethic. People want the American Dream without having to actually work to achieve it.

After I finished school, there were weeks that I spent 120 at my job. An average week of work was 80 hours physically at work. That was followed by a couple hours every night reading and preparing for the next day.

People now complain when they have shift work and actually have to work the whole time they are there. God forbid they do extra that they don't get paid for so that they can improve. Americans want more pay but less work. Hey, I'd love that too, but it isn't reality. Never has been.

Quoted for truth.

If that's how you want to do it, that's fine. But a person shouldn't have to sacrifice their entire adulthood to get ahead financially. I'm not talking about getting uberwealthy, I'm just talking about having a reasonable living. Working 120 hours a week leaves you 6.8 hours a day (7 days a week) to eat, shower, spend time with family, take care of personal responsibilities, exercise, and sleep. Nobody should have to do that to live. 80 hours a week is better but not much...

Yet GDP is ever increasing. Hmmmm.........

I like many of the things he mentions since as you know I view myself to be a socialist. But I am not so sure he has any solutions to economic problems. Call me crazy but I think a ticket with Trump and Sanders would be one awesome pair to vote for. A smart businessman teaming up with a socialist would be a good checks and balance to me.

Don't think so

They could end up running against each other but not together. One is a Republican and the other is a Demon crat Libthingy from hell.

Yeah true, he's declared bankruptcy more than a few times to protect himself at the cost of middle class tax payers. That's the new American dream. Well played Donald, well played.

What stands out on this list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016

Trumps hair.

Nothing that I can see????

Upward mobility is dead. PERIOD. I don't care how you spin it, your hardcore tactics of belittling people and calling people lazy or leeches or parasites... PFFT. If you want to do nothing but plug into the matrix and work until you drop that's good for you. But you only get one life and you should be able to survive and prosper without working yourself into the grave.

YOU ARE A SLAVE! Nothing is great about working 120 or 80 hours a week! That's just nuts! I don't think people need to be rich punching a clock, but a 40-50 hour week should pay the bills, buy food, rent/mortgage, healthcare and leave at least a little something for recreation...

Nope. It takes two incomes (or more) to do that if you have decent jobs. Meanwhile the rich just get richer...

Have you seen the price of food lately? What rent is for an apartment? Healthcare?

There will be much larger problems than your feelings getting hurt if something doesn't change. There will eventually be violence in the streets.

My point is that if you want to change your fortune you can but you have to be willing to put the effort into it. I didn't grow up with a lot but I put my time in and paid my dues. I no longer work 80 hrs per week but make a great living, bought a house which I have already paid off. I am not saying that you need or should need to work more than 40 hrs a weeks to get by. But if you aren't willing to put in that extra effort you aren't going to change your economic status. People act like people with money don't work hard to get what they have.

If you ask people to put in 60-80 hrs a week to work their way up the ladder they won't do it. I see it everyday. And it isn't that hard to work a 40 hr week and get by just fine. You just need to live within your means. A lot of these people that can't pay the bills with a decent job need to look at how they are creating their bills. They drive cars that are more expensive than mine, I have a decent tv but theirs are nicer. They have the premium movie channels and the newest iphone as soon as it comes out.

Poor people stay poor by acting rich, rich people stay rich by acting poor. And no, this doesn't apply to everyone, but yes it does apply to alot.


My biggest issue with the benefits that rich people get are the tax loopholes. These need to be closed.

If you are afraid of working too hard, that's fine, live within your means. But don't suck food stamp or housing money out of the pockets of those who go the extra mile!