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What way do you look at at it? If I'm facing the QB, you are correct it is on the left. Why do I keep seeing it post differently. The link above isn't gospel. It is been awhile since I played, but I keep seeing the opposite. I thought they changed it or something.

I ain't ripping on you bugs............just educating. Kruger lines up on the left DEFENSIVE side, which is the right side of the offense and is where you probably got confused.

No big deal and I am not trying to belittle you. Just educating. Hope that is okay.

No...I understand. With Dawg_LB's comment, I'm doing a double take. He comes back with "my bad!" Your comment!

I think I just went through a time-warp!!! Our Lads is a pretty reliable site. I've seen it posted that way on other sites.

Wow...thanks...I found my glasses!!! LOL!

It isn't debatable.. But somehow, you always manage to make it so.....

j/c

I posted on another thread and since we are talking future. I thought this was something that could be a possibility next season.

Receivers 2016: Gordon, Pryor, Mayle, Hawkins, and Gabriel

Running Backs 2015/2016: West, Crowell, and Johnson

Quarterback 2016: Manziel

I'm not a dooms-day person. I do understand a lot has to happen for the above to happen. Thinking ALL are currently on the roster. If by the grace of Lombardi Browns can actually have something go right, wow, that actually has the looks of a pretty scary offense.

Back at ya

Either or, I get the fact that you meant he is a locked in spot and you were referring to opposite of him because, yes, it does seems like it's all up for grabs. Mingo, Orchard and someone who is "quickly becoming" Jim O'Niel's favorite person on the defense in Scott Solomon all in a war there.

War for inside linebacker, second corner opposite of Joe, right guard/tackle (referring to Erving in the mix), outside lb'er opposite of Paul and running back are just seriously insane.

Hell, let's face it... I cannot remember so many legit battles where whoever comes out at the end, we still "should" have a quality, solid depth/swing person.

The Brown's Future???

FLIPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in slow mo



and real time.



notice thats out of his 5 great games. lmao

When did the Bears sign Weeden?

i would put others up but marshel and matt forte made great plays to save him and i would hear lol. it work didnt it? lol. a bad decision is still a bad decision wheather it works or not lol.

I am now positive Josh McCown is Brandon Weeden's older (not by much) brother.

Joe Thomas would have caught that pass.

So help me out here - because I can only interpret your post one way - which is totally agenda driven and full of hate and malice. ... so instead can you help me out here and make sure I get your point of view and don't assume the worst. Can you do that?

You want to take one single play in a players career - and slow-mo it. Laugh at it and add an "lmao" .... I know you and Vers are sort of buds and you talk about "talking football" and belittling the positive posters as if we are all little sheep swallowing whatever koolaid the FO spins out ... so what is your football point? How can one bad play reflect a players career - I am 100% certain we could do this for any player on the team now or from the past. Even hall of famers - and come up with a mind numbing play ... heck I can think of half a dozen plays where Haden looks like a bum - but he's not. He is a top flight CB in the NFL.

Help me understand the football and balanced perspective of your post. Or is my natural tendency to look at that post and think that you're just a mean bitter hater that can only ever pull things apart right?

those bone head plays aare a constant theme with mccown.



those bone head plays are a constant theme with mccown. he does not take care of the ball.



absolutely. i am pissed we are going into this season with the pathetic QBs on this roster. i am very bitter about it. and i do hate it.

MGH888

PPblack hates, hates McCown and frankly I m not sure he likes anything about the browns as they are currently formulated.

Vers on the other hand is not agenda driven... he will note good tings as well as bad and admit when he is wrong, in addition his football acumen is solid, not that he needs or wants my support

i like our o-line. i even said something nice about Schwartz this year. i called him only slightly below average. its just that a QB can make a oline look better or worse than it really is and hang on to the ball McCown is going to make our o-line look like crap this year.

oh and i truly hate gordon too.

The irony of this post is astounding.

Oh.........thanks tex. I do appreciate your words of support. I am truly sick of this guy slamming me all the time.

I like Pettine. I can't stand Farmer or "Text" as I call him. I don't hate him though. He is just in WAY over his head.

As far as that previous WR who will go nameless is concerned, he had that had one good year and melted down. All I can say about him is...Hasta la vista Baby!!!

Now, if Pettine and "Text" are formulating the "Seattle Plan" then I will then understand the method to their madness and be the first to say they were right and I was wrong.

I can hope for miracles, but time is running out.

i dont know. did seattle get rid of players just coming into there prime for old players on there way out for more money?

i dont know. did seattle get the most out of the young talent or did they just let them halfass it all year and not have them play?

i dont know. did there head coach let the gm badger the assist coaching staff to the point where they had to leave?

i thought seattle kept looking for a QB until they found one?

i really dont know but if thats what seattle did then we are right on track.!!!!!!

what players coming into their prime?

skrine - over was vastly overpaid and it would have been stupid to pay the guy as like the 15th highest paid CB to have him be the #3 cb...

cameron - tried to resign him, didnt want to be here, injury history makes him far from in his prime

sheard - only guy you could really be talking about. wasnt happy to see him leave...

rubin - i guess the same could be said for him, but they wanted to upgrade the position and hopefully they did with shelton.

skrine played better last year than williams. we are going to end up paying williams 10 mil for one year or 14 mil for 2. buster was only going to cost 13 mil for 2 year and then you could cut or whatever.

one is 32 one is 26 and still learning.



i agree but mostly because we dont have a QB. guy cannot block to save his life.



sheard played injured most the year. still our best OLB at stopping the run. funny how another 3/4 team grabbed him isnt it?



replaced by someone that never played in this system and is 4 years older. and shelton. one of the slowest players drafted. not saying it wont work but... whats left on the roster from last year could not beat out a injured rubin for the starting job. same can be said about skrine with those on the roster couldnt beat him out either.

just dont see where we improved our long term building and made the competition better when the guys let go no one left could beat out.

by the way. this is just my opinion and not meant to be belittling the positive posters

I don't know...Seattle got pretty damm lucky with Russel Wilson. There previous attempts getting a starting QB was Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, and, if I'm not mistaken, Matt Flynn.

Seattle failed miserably getting a starting QB and spent a lot of money trying. Their attempt building a OL has fallen short too. How well did they do at receivers? They are very fortunate Lynch stayed healthy.

Seattle did something the league didn't concentrate and that is build a great defensive secondary. They do not have a clear cut elite pass rusher. They have no outstanding individual DL. BUT, they do have an excellent DL and LB group. This is what the Browns are trying to duplicate.

IMO, Seattle has used the Patriot way to build their team. Thinking surrounds scheme and bringing individuals who fit a mold. As the Patriots, Seattle is not cap handicapped by individuals where they need to sign to stay competitive. Steelers and Ravens do this same thing. These teams somehow avoid the cap issues while still competitive.

my thing with skrine and tramon. tramon was a #1 CB last year. he was guarding #1 WRs more, so i expect his QB rating vs him to improve a little bit not being a #1 CB this season, also not making up for having a potent offense that opposing offenses made up for.

he is better suited size wise for the outside, while buster was more suited for the role he will be taking w the jets-- in the nickel.

i dont like paying that amount for a nickel corner. i think we improved because we got a taller CB better suited for the outside, despite his age, and we have a guy in kwuan williams who i think is going to light it up as a nickel cornerback (watch and see!). either kwuan or skrine would have been redundant as they are both suited for that nickel role.

im hoping tramon is simply here in the twilight of his career with a little left in the tank, and justil gilbert will catch on to the mental aspect of the game, and shift nicely in to that #2 outside corner position, haden stays put for a few more years, kwuan holds it down in the nickel.



so i think that was the plan, and i agree with it if so. some hopeful thinking, but they spent a high first on gilbert, and probably saw skrine more as a nickel guy, so i think it makes sense.

just my 2 cents. and dont worry i can tak football without getting my feelings hurt haha

The Pats play a 4/3 defense with some 3/4 mixed in.



Starks played in a 3/4 defense his first few years in Miami, he even made the Pro-Bowl in 2010 in that system, and he's only missed 1 game in the last 6 years while being pretty stout against the run and producing better sack totals then Rubin who has missed 8 games in the last 5 years.



Kind of hard when they were injured too.



Well apparently nobody could beat out the guys we signed either cause both Starks and Williams were starters on their former teams.

Williams stats from last year worry me but up until last year he had been one of the better Corners in the league and hopefully last year was just due to a nagging injury or something and he can bounce back. (I did read where Tramon suffered an ankle injury in week 6 and he played through it. Not sure if that contributed to his bad year or not though). I think that eventually sometime during the year we will see Gilbert take over that spot anyways, unless Williams has a Pro-Bowl type year.

could certainly be the case, with the injury. also, as i mentioned, he was the packers #1 CB. i'll admit, so i am fair and balanced with my argument, that playing opposite of joe haden makes you a #1 target to be picked on, so skrine had that against him, but all in all i think tramon faced more difficult match ups than skrine did.

also, as mentioned, green bay has a much more potent offense. how often were opposing teams passing the ball against green bay in order to make up for a point deficit compared to here in cleveland?

and again, measureables... i love hawkins and gabriel, but they arent your traditional outside receivers due to size. same goes for buster skrine. i loved the guy, but he was much better suited for the nickel corner position.

so, i think with tramon on the outside here, we actually upgrade the position by him being on the outside, and i think we dont lose too much by having kwuan james in the slot, instead of moving skrine there, which is his more natural position. also it wouldnt cost us the 15th highest paid guaranteed contract, for a nickel corner.



yeah, homies in the twilight of his career, but i think hes ushering in gilbert. remember, haden didnt crack the starting lineup until more than halfway through the year, and that was sitting behind eric wright and brandon mcdonald.ok

That's not true. Here is an excerpt from an article about New England's defense:

It doesn't matter if the Patriots are listed as a 3-4 or 4-3 team. They change their formations based on matchup more than any team
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492266/article/projected-2015-starters-new-england-patriots

The author predicted this will be the starting unit for the Pats:



It bothers me when people make things up to win an argument.

I also have to disagree w/most of you about Skrine. He has developed into a very good cb and at this point of his career is a better player than Williams.

j/c

The Patriots have changed their base quite often. I've read articles referencing a 43 defense this year and their team website depth chart is also in 43 format as well as ourlads.com.

A lot of what I have briefly scanned has the Patriots using Ninkovich and Chandlers Jones as DE in a 43. I doubt they'll ALWAYS be in the 43 but after Vince Wilfork left, it may have left Belichek without a true NT...Alan Branch,maybe??

Who knows....

You guys? What is that supposed to mean?

Are you implying that all the posters who doubt McCown's abilities are nonsensical? We're all in one little group?

I think Williams is done. He'll struggle making the final roster. Williams won't be able to elevate his game enough to justify paying him and sitting young guys. I believe Farmer bought Williams into camp a) insurance; b) competition.

Why didn't Farmer sign Skrine? Skrine is a young guy unlike Williams. Someone was going to pay Skrine top dollar. Skrine earned it. Drafting Gilbert made Skrine expendable. It is the nature of the business. Gilbert may not start out as good as Skrine, but he has potential at half the cost. Now I'm not defending or against it. IMO, I think we see Browns doing this more as second contracts come into play. They can't pay everyone who is due a new contract. This isn't a Browns/Farmer thing either. A lot of NFL teams try managing cap.

I agree with Vers. Skrine turned into a pretty good CB. I won't be shocked if Skrine wins the job over Cromartie. I would be very surprised if Jets keep all three Revis, Cromartie, and Skrine. Just as Williams was brought into Browns camp, Jets are using Cromartie to drive competition. If Skrine doesn't beat out Cromartie, Skrine could loose his job.

I didn't make anything up. The Pats main defense is a 4/3 with the 3/4 mixed in and they have done it that way for the last 3 years. They even list their own depth chart that way and if you still don't believe me go to ProFootball Reference.com and look at the Pats roster from last year and see how many starts and at what position they got those starts. Also if you read what the writer of this article wrote that line up he listed is "his prediction" for the up coming year,, this came from him not the Pats.

It bothers me when others make things up to suit their needs to win an argument.

your funny. you cant figure out the guy makes stupid decisions. or is it your brilliant football mind telling us they are great decisions? pfft

I didn't make anything up. You claimed they were primarily a 4/3 defense.

The truth is that they switched their defensive alignments up to combat the personnel that was on the field for the other team.

Never said I was your teacher or that you have to answer to me. But, if you want to lump everyone who doesn't agree w/your Almighty Opinion into one little "funny" group, get ready for me to say something about it.

Yes they do switch it up, that is the reason I said they play some 3/4, but again their base defense is a 4/3 and no where did I say "primarily".

So why did you even dispute the point that Sheard was a loss? Man.

I didn't dispute it, I was just pointing out to pblack that the Pats play a lot of 4/3 defense not just the 3/4. I didn't say anything about Sheard himself, although I do think he was missed cast in the 3/4 that we played.