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if so good for pettine. maybe he learned that he cant let the FO walk all over him to the point where coaching staff demand to leave?

I think this goes right to textgate, this PUTZ was the mouth for who was really responsible for that crap. Shanahan wasn't having it, nor Oneil, or the The o line coach. Pettine is going to play his cards and run HIS team. The front office got away with this dumb crap without a lot of embarrassment and Pub because we are a fairly insignificant team. If this was Dallas or New England, its a whole new game. I think Pettines involvement with the offense is OK, Bellichick and others have done the same. I believe it is more about knowledge and situations than forcing play calls. I think this story overall w ill be an afterthought sooner than later

Well we know all employees report to somebody. Could it be he was reporting to Farmer and not Pettine? If so, didn't Farmer know who Northcutt should be reporting to?

You're assuming that Farmer is actually aware that Northcutt isn't taking things to Pettine first.

The bottom line is if you are anti-this regime, you will assume the worst.

If you're not, you will keep an open mind.

It's not complete BS. It's absolutely true.

What's not true is that there are a plethora of posters on here who excuse or defend every move the FO makes. If that's true, list them.

It's not complete BS. It's absolutely true.

What's not true is that there are a plethora of posters on here who excuse or defend every move the FO makes. If that's true, list them.

I don't care who "THEY" are. When did it become wrong to have faith (blind or otherwise) in your team?

When did it become fashionable to feel anyones opinion is so important that anyone that disagrees must be a homer?

I have been labeled a homer and I have been labeled a hater.

And tell me again what's wrong with being a Homer?

Nothing. It's simply the default mode...

and what's wrong with that?

Mourg, I don't think you are either.

Personally, I think we are lacking talent at the offensive skill positions and it's going to be tough to score. It's tough when you don't have guys who put points on the board in the blink of an eye.

In 2012, there was an event known as “International Games Day” held at libraries across the world. One such game was an international game of Telephone, where a message was whispered between at individuals at libraries and between them over 24 hours.

The result? The original message: “Life must be lived as play” passed through 237 people and was progressively butchered in the retelling, resulting in the final message being “He bites snails”.

One of the challenges of the game of “Telephone” is that some people will deliberately change the phrase to increase the humor value.

Which brings us to last Tuesday’s drama of the day, where a local radio station posted a story indicating that there was a “seeping rift” (which is not, by the way, a medical condition) between Browns General Manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine.

Since the initial story was posted, we here at the OBR have been trying to calm down the narrative and make it more realistic by saying that that the story is really (1) old news, with the fallout just really happening now but the issues being from 2014, and (2) that the individuals involved are working on it, and worked well together during the off-season to procure new talent for the roster.

Even the author of the article went on Twitter to say “They will work it out” later in the day.

Unfortunately, by then, the damage to the Browns reputation and perception around the league was done as the “tug of war” narrative was picked up, with nuances left behind or buried in paragraph ten of the resulting stories.

See below how national outlets regurgitated the story, noting the language used in the titles which, frankly, is all a lot of fans reading the reports will recall. The Browns are, per usual, portrayed as dysfunctional laughingstocks, and the titles of the story portray two individuals retreating to their corners, scheming against each other:

“Murphy’s Law stands for the notion that whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. The Cleveland Browns version of that principle goes like this: Whatever goes, goes wrong. Currently, what’s going wrong is the relationship between coach Mike Pettine and G.M. Ray Farmer.” - Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, in a story titled “Mike Pettine, Ray Farmer struggling for power in Cleveland”.

“The Browns are bad and hilarious, and it sure looks like they will never stop being that way… No matter how sad the team you root for makes you, always remember that it could be worse: you could be a Browns fan.” - Tom Ley, Deadspin, in an article titled “Report: Cleveland Browns Still A Huge Mess”

"Without Northcutt to act as the liaison, there could now be a more direct power struggle between Farmer and Pettine… The problems obviously run much deeper than that, and don’t be surprised if the situation between Farmer and Pettine boils over if the Browns get off to a bad start." - Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports

“We won’t truly know if Northcutt’s ouster is the sign of a power struggle unless and until one of Pettine and Farmer is cast aside while the other stays in place” - Jared Dublin, CBS Sports, getting ready for the end game in an article titled “Power struggle brewing between Browns’ coach and GM”

“Is it possible that time hasn’t healed all wounds between Browns general manager Ray Farmer and his head coach Mike Pettine?” - FOX Sports in an article titled “Rift reportedly growing between Browns’ Farmer, Pettine”

As in that game of telephone, the story gets a little less focused as it is repeated.

So, in the eyes of most NFL fans, the damage is done. The Browns are once again portrayed as an inept, struggling organization, even as the roster shows signs of progress and the team comes off what is generally considered to be a solid draft.

The bigger question is whether this sort of coverage seeps over into the team’s ability to secure talent via free agency. Does this sort of league-wide perception influence, say, an Alex Mack into leaving or staying? Hopefully not, but the pernicious effect of these sorts of stories - which are repeated in such as way to keep the “dysfunctional Browns” narrative front-and-center - is such that it can’t make the team’s job any easier.

So, what’s the bottom line? Should these sorts of stories be reported if they’re true, damn the consequences? I’d say they should, but as they’re reported, it is extremely important to make sure that the perception they leave is accurate, which sometimes requires stepping back from highlighting the more compelling narrative to ones that are less repeatable, but better reflect reality.

You are what you are until you're not. And so far, we are what we are.

You are what you are until you're not. And so far, we are what we are.

As i said...nothing wrong at all. I was implying that being a homer (which I most certainly am) is the natural direction to take as, after all, we are cheering for our team...

Poor journalism at best, if its even supposed to be that.

I agree with this but as PPE pointed out, we don't have all of the facts. This is just my opinion based on things we do know happened to this point.

jc...

How many knew what Northcutt's involvement was in the texting?...that he was being used by Farmer to relay questions to the coaching staff?

I thought the texting case was concluded with the exception of Farmer serving his suspension. Then this little detail of Northcutt's involvement seeps out and the texting story becomes news again.

Don't blame the media for reporting and don't expect them to show the Browns any favoritism.

Why didn't the fans and media learn about the entire story, including Northcutt's involvement,when it was first reported after the season?

Were the Browns attempting to keep Northcutt's involvement out of the story? If so, the Browns have no one to blame but themselves for keeping the story going.

I still don't get why the Browns waited until just before training camp started to fire Northcutt.