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http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/us_germans_fear.htmlU.S., Germans Fear Imminent Terror Attack May 11, 2007 12:24 PM Brian Ross, Richard Esposito & Chris Isham Report: U.S. and German officials fear terrorists are in the advanced planning stages of an attack on U.S. military personnel or tourists in Germany. Law enforcement officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com that U.S. air marshals have been diverted to provide expanded protection of flights between Germany and the United States. "The information behind the threat is very real," a senior U.S. official told ABC News. German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schauble told reporters, "The danger level is high. We are part of the global threat by Islamist terrorism." Of particular concern, according to U.S. and German law enforcement officials, is Patch Barracks, the headquarters for U.S. European Command, near Stuttgart. Security at all U.S. military and diplomatic facilities has been increased in the last month following reports that suspected terrorists had conducted surveillance of the Patch Barracks facility. "The attack would be designed to create high numbers of casualties among both Germans and the U.S. military," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, a former White House counterterror official. The 9/11 hijackers planned their operation out of Hamburg, Germany, and the country continues to be known as a staging area for al Qaeda and groups affiliated with it. "There are 300 to 500 people who are suspected to be part of al Qaeda cells in Germany," said Col. Andrew Pratt (Ret.) of the George Marshall Center in Germany. "In a democratic state like Germany, you just can't go out and arbitrarily arrest people because they are under suspicion," Pratt said. German officials have called for enhanced police powers to keep suspected terror groups in check. Several radical Islamist groups have threatened violence unless Germany withdraws its troops from the NATO force in Afghanistan. A radical Islamist group in Iraq took a German woman and her adult son hostage in February, threatening to execute them if Germany did not pull its troops out of Afghanistan. The two are still being held.
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U.S. officials say no new security threat in Germany 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. and German officials said on Friday there was no new security threat in Germany after ABC News reported that officials believed that terrorists were planning an attack on U.S. military personnel or tourists in Germany.
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ABC News, in a report on its Web site, quoted a senior U.S. official as saying, "The information behind the threat is very real." It also quoted German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble as saying, "The danger level is high. We are part of the global threat by Islamist terrorism."
But officials in Germany, which is hosting a G8 summit of major industrialized countries next month, and in the United States, said they were unaware of a new threat.
U.S. defense and counterterrorism officials, asked about the ABC News report, said they were unaware of a new threat against U.S. installations in Germany beyond a more general warning issued last month.
"We're unaware of anything new. We have not changed our force posture," a defense official said.
A U.S. counterterrorism official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, added: "The threat was taken seriously at the time and isn't being dismissed now. But there's nothing to suggest a new urgency to this."
In Germany, the Interior Ministry said there had been no change in the security situation.
"There is nothing new," a spokesman for the ministry said in a statement. "What we're looking at is the state of affairs that has been long since known. This caused the U.S. authorities to publish a warning to their own citizens in Germany."
The U.S. warning was issued on April 20.
The ABC report, quoting U.S. and German law enforcement officials, said Patch Barracks, headquarters to the U.S. military's European Command, could be a target following reports that suspected terrorists had conducted surveillance at the facility.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel will host the leaders of Britain, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States at the June 6-8 summit, which will focus on climate change, African poverty and economic cooperation.
Interior Minister Schaeuble has announced a tightening of border controls ahead of the summit.
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Isn't that basically the same stuff these nations have been discussing for 20 years? The only difference is 20 years ago they were talking about how much colder it was getting, now they're talking about how much warmer it's getting... 
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Good news..Ya know it coulda been a bratwurst
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I don't usually jump into the political stuff.....
This is exactly why we are in Iraq now. We can debate the the details of that, but in the big picture, we are in the heart of where these people reign.
This is a religious war to these people. The national boundaries don't matter. Iraq, Iran, Germany, USA....it doesn't matter. Radical Islam has to be stopped.
Here is the truth....if we pull our troops out, we will have to go back again in a few years at a higher cost and with less chance for success.
These crackpots roam the globe, but they are centered right where we are. If we leave we need to do so understanding one of two things. We either need to leave the place and pretty much burn the whole place, or we need to leave, pretty much selling away the future of our children.
That's it. Those are the options. There aren't any others.
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Our base here in Germany has continued it's heightened security..
Despite the added article dismissing this info as old news, seems my bosses are still erring on the side of caution...
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This is exactly why we are in Iraq now. We can debate the the details of that, but in the big picture, we are in the heart of where these people reign.
This is a religious war to these people. The national boundaries don't matter. Iraq, Iran, Germany, USA....it doesn't matter. Radical Islam has to be stopped.
Here is the truth....if we pull our troops out, we will have to go back again in a few years at a higher cost and with less chance for success.
These crackpots roam the globe, but they are centered right where we are. If we leave we need to do so understanding one of two things. We either need to leave the place and pretty much burn the whole place, or we need to leave, pretty much selling away the future of our children.
That's it. Those are the options. There aren't any others.
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You say that every time you jump into the political stuff.. 
Seriously though. I completely agree.
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yes, because the Iraq "war" is doing wonders for lessening the danger of Americans being attacked by angry middle/near-easterners. 
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We either need to leave the place and pretty much burn the whole place, or we need to leave, pretty much selling away the future of our children.
That's it. Those are the options. There aren't any others.
I think you're right. There can't be a middle ground.
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But, what about George W. and the "don't burn the oil wells" line?
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Here is the truth....if we pull our troops out, we will have to go back again in a few years at a higher cost and with less chance for success.
There's nothing less than zero.
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We either need to leave the place and pretty much burn the whole place, or we need to leave, pretty much selling away the future of our children.
If we were to 'burn the whole place' we'd be selling away the future of our children by creating tenfold the crackpots.
Beyond that point...what you're suggesting is genocide.
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"...yes, because the Iraq "war" is doing wonders for lessening the danger of Americans being attacked by angry middle/near-easterners"
are you suggesting that Al Queda,the Taliban,Hamas, Islamic Brotherhood and the dozen or so other militant groups were not sworn enemies of the USA prior to our reentry into Iraq after 9/11?
do you really think if we leave Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi lands that these folks will get over their desire to control under Islamic law all the nations of the ancient Caliphate?
I am fairly certain that we will be forced by politicians on the left to vacate the area as a "redeployment" within 24 months. We will watch as hundreds of thousands of Muslims kill each other and non Muslims alike.
We will eventually reenter the Middle East in the future and we will find a land much worse tolerable than we see even today. Some day the light of a republic conceived in freedom and democracy will reign in Iraq,Iran etc.....
our sacrifices will be even greater later on. Their freedom and our role in it will be costly but worthwhile for us also as a nation.
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"...yes, because the Iraq "war" is doing wonders for lessening the danger of Americans being attacked by angry middle/near-easterners"
are you suggesting that Al Queda,the Taliban,Hamas, Islamic Brotherhood and the dozen or so other militant groups were not sworn enemies of the USA prior to our reentry into Iraq after 9/11?
I'm not speaking for him, but I would suggest that there were plenty of people that we're fighting in Iraq right now that were not sworn enemies to the United States prior to our re-entry into Iraq after 9/11.
And what do we gain from that? Kill a couple foot soldiers? A few cogs in the machine? Let the Saudis fund their replacements while more of our kids die, I guess...
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do you really think if we leave Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi lands that these folks will get over their desire to control under Islamic law all the nations of the ancient Caliphate?
If we didn't have military bases all over the Middle East, if we didn't have strong ties to rich Saudi families, and didn't rely so heavily on their oil...then no, we wouldn't have to be bothered with them.
I'm not saying that's the solution, or the right humanitarian angle to take, but this isn't a case of religious fervency as much as it is unrest that leads to the rise of those who use religious fervency as their angle for power.
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You may have a point when you speak of our reliancy on their oil. It's a small point, though, in my opinion. As has been discussed here before, we aren't allowed to drill for more oil here (alaska, off the shores) because of several reasons - environmentalists, the NIMBY's, gov't. restriction/regulation......
I'd love it if we were self supporting oil wise, and if all countries were (think russia and china). Then, the middle east would collapse on itself, without the oil revenue coming in.
We aren't self sufficient in oil, and never will be.
They don't hate us simply because of the oil, and if we quit buying it today, removed our troops, closed our bases, and withdrew, they would use that as yet another reason/factor for hating us - we quit buying their product, so we are trying to "financially cripple" their countries.
We are in a situation where we can not, nor ever will, appease the bad middle east (the terrorists, the haters, the religious fanatics)....never.
Wait a minute - there is one way perhaps - if the religious fanatics were eliminated - not necessarily killed, but eliminated in the sense of "they lose their 'base'; if the "common" person sees that the world CAN get along, then yes, we (the world) can and will win.
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What will happen in Iraq if we leave right now is this:
The Sunnis and Shias will turn on the al queda insurgents and kill them all or run them off. Then they will turn on each other. That civil war will probably last 5-10 years if not longer. At best, Baghdad will survive somewhat intact. Which is pretty much as it is now. So tell me where we lose anything by leaving now. What we gain is thosands of American lives saved. Seems worth it to me.
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If we didn't have military bases all over the Middle East, if we didn't have strong ties to rich Saudi families, and didn't rely so heavily on their oil...then no, we wouldn't have to be bothered with them.
You left out the most important one....our support of Israel. As long as we support them, these people will consider us as evil vermin and wish to see us wiped off the face of the earth. By "these people", I mean hard core Muslims....not a select few radicals, and not your moderates. (I am in no way suggesting we stop supporting Israel.)
To think that if we didn't have strong ties to the rich Saudis and depend on oil that we wouldn't have to worry about these people is just wrong.
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To think that if we didn't have strong ties to the rich Saudis and depend on oil that we wouldn't have to worry about these people is just wrong.
I don't think it's wrong at all...I do agree that I left out the most important component, which is our support of Israel...but my main point was that these people have a VERY good reason to hate us...they don't 'hate our freedom' nor do they want to eliminate us in the name of Allah (although I'd bet that many of them believe that America won't stop until everyone who doesn't follow Christ is dead). I'm not justifying their actions, or saying they're victims, or that we're the bad guy...but point blank - we've committed a lot of destruction in the Middle East, and we've carried out many terrorist attacks. And they see Israel as terrorists - and I think they're right in a sense...I don't have the answers, but it just seems to me that everyone has simple solutions and answers to a very complex problem.
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"...What will happen in Iraq if we leave right now is this:
The Sunnis and Shias will turn on the al queda insurgents and kill them all or run them off. Then they will turn on each other. That civil war will probably last 5-10 years if not longer. At best, Baghdad will survive somewhat intact. Which is pretty much as it is now. So tell me where we lose anything by leaving now. What we gain is thosands of American lives saved. Seems worth it to me. "
Talk about a wish and a prayer...an oversimplification!!!!!!
So Osama bin Laden then calls off his crusade against all things Western? So we return to 9/10/2001 and we have nothing else to fear from these murderers?
How about Israel???? Let them be overrun since they are terrorists[?] themselves?
So we pull out and the estimate of deaths is anywhere between 200,000 and 2,000,000 before they realize that enough of their families on all sides of the Muslim equation are dead.
Shallow thinking on a deep scale here Otto!
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"...but my main point was that these people have a VERY good reason to hate us...they don't 'hate our freedom' nor do they want to eliminate us in the name of Allah (although I'd bet that many of them believe that America won't stop until everyone who doesn't follow Christ is dead)."
To think that any American alive today has caused the people of the Middle East to hate our nation for any specific reason is short sighted. The Arabs have been abused by their rulers for hundreds of years...they have enslaved each other for an equal amount of time.
The Europeans were involved with this area for decades before we even had one troop in the area.
This may be the only part of the world which has actually regressed in progress since the 1600s and it was because of their own religious and military leaders wishes.
To assume our need for oil and our support for Israel is a larger cause for their distrust for America than their religious leaders quoting of the dark verses of the Quaran is incorrect.
The religious addiction to murder prevalent in many sects of Islam is the manner in which their own Arab leaders keep them in tow.
To blame an American citizen soldier for bin Laden's hatred for the West is immature thinking...he is a hateful fanatic...smart enough to know better but invested enough in providing religious fuel to the fire for desparate and hopeless men looking for a reason to end their grim lives for a book of hate.
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I'm not blaming an American soldier for bin Laden's hatred for the West. I'm blaming our government for blowing up the neighborhood of the guy who's had enough and has just gotten himself a gun. I'm blaming them for the years and years of actions that have given Iraqi's every comprehendable reason to distrust us.
Point blank - we're creating more enemies than we're eliminating.
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Point blank - we're creating more enemies than we're eliminating.
I don't disagree with that.
Sounds like we need to pick up the pace in the eliminating department.
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"...we're creating more enemies than we're eliminating"
so we leave and the mass murder by the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands occurs as old scores between neighbors and families are settled.
Do you believe that we will then become insulated from these crazies? That bin Laden and Ahmademocrat from Iran will stop their plans to hurt the West?
We do not have the political will to stop illegal immigration at the borders. We do not have the will to pause legal immigration/entry into the USA until we find out who we already have here.
If we exit the Mid East completely we had better close the entry to our nation tighter than a popcorn fart or the War versus Muslim terrorists will be waiting for us in the 50 states. I'd prefer we deal with it in the sand pits.
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I don't usually jump into the political stuff.....
This is exactly why we are in Iraq now. We can debate the the details of that, but in the big picture, we are in the heart of where these people reign.
This is a religious war to these people. The national boundaries don't matter. Iraq, Iran, Germany, USA....it doesn't matter. Radical Islam has to be stopped.
Here is the truth....if we pull our troops out, we will have to go back again in a few years at a higher cost and with less chance for success.
These crackpots roam the globe, but they are centered right where we are. If we leave we need to do so understanding one of two things. We either need to leave the place and pretty much burn the whole place, or we need to leave, pretty much selling away the future of our children.
That's it. Those are the options. There aren't any others.
We may be int he heart of where they reign, but then they look like everyone else in that heart. We as a military always take the high road in war, and it just costs us our young men and women.
Our enemy doesn't play by rules, they just do what it takes to kill. How do you fight an enemy like that, that has no actual home?
WW1 We went in and attacked Germany, WWII we went in and attacked Japan, we attacked Korea, Vietnam.
Who, where do we attack now?
Are we really fighting someone, or just defending someone?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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"...Are we really fighting someone, or just defending someone"
we are doing both...we are fighting against radical militant Islamists. This is not a war on terror any more than WWII was a war on Pearl Harbor sneak attackers.
This is a war against militant Muslims who use Terror all over the world as their weapon of choice.
We are defending ourselves by attempting to squash the 21st Century Muslim militants who employ current weaponry but follow a Middle Ages' racist cult theology which values non believers only as pigs and worse.
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