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Giants Still Eyeing Browns' Kevin Shaffer

http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05/11/giants-still-eyeing-browns-kevin-shaffer/

Posted May 11th 2007 12:40PM by Dan Benton
Filed under: Browns, NY Giants, NFC East, Cleveland, New York

Late last month, the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns were talking about a trade that would have landed left tackle Kevin Shaffer in East Rutherford, but a deal was never reached. Things seemed dead but apparently there is still a slight possibility that the Giants make one last run for Shaffer.

The Giants, who are in desperate need of a left tackle, currently have David Diehl slated to fill that spot but would like to move him back to guard. Another option is second year player Guy Whimper, who has earned only mixed reviews.

It was also reported by Bob Glober of Newsday (via ESPN video) that Shaffer wants out of Cleveland. It's inevitable that his spot will be taken by first-round draft choice Joe Thomas and that is clearly not sitting well with him.

Shaffer has six years remaining on his seven-year, $36 million deal

Wonder what New York floated as an offer the first time, and wonder what they're thinking about now.

Rumor has it a defensive player or two and maybe a conditional # 3/4 pick ...

More background storyline..

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/2007/04/30/giants-discussing-another-trade/

Our shaky at best LT situation right now could potentially be solved via another trade with the Cleveland Browns. Jerry Reese and Phil Savage are in talks concerning Browns 2006 LT Kevin Shaffar, a player they signed to a long term deal after the 2005 season.

Depending on the cost, this would be a brilliant move considering our need for a legit LT and the fact that I wanted him here a year ago. My suggestion after the 2005 season was to cut Petitgout and sign this guy because he is still young and improves year in and year out. He is a good pass protector, about at the same level as Luke, and plays with the nasty attitude on the field much like Diehl. He is not a powerful run blocker, but then again neither was Luke. He does not have any injury concerns as he has started 63 out of the last 64 games he has been in the NFL. Another tough, gritty player in the trenches that we could really use at LT here.

The trade makes sense for both sides here because with Joe Thomas now in the picture, Shaffer is no longer a LT and he is being payed LT money. They might want to get rid of his salary (which I think is around $4 million per season) and get some value at a spot of weakness for them. What would I offer? I’d start off with some of their current weaknesses such as the defensive line and OLB where I would put the names such as Reggie Torbor and William Joseph out there. Torbor simply does not fit the 4-3 defense but him being a former DE and showing promise as a pass rusher, he could play the OLB role in the 3-4 scheme. Joseph could play DE in the 3-4 where he could use his quickness off the edge. The Browns do not have a 1st round pick in 2008, so it is possible that they could want an extra selection for Shaffer. I would likely propose a deal that would contain a 3rd/4th round conditional pick that is based off of his performance with the Giants. Something like, if Shaffer starts 15 games at LT and allows less than 4 sacks on the season, it will be a 3rd rounder. If he does not start 15 games or allows more than 4 sacks, the Browns get a 4th rounder. I think combining that with Torbor or Joseph would be my initial offer but I would be willing to listen to what they are expecting.

I know one thing, a left side of Shaffer and Diehl with Seubert as the blocking TE is far better than a left side of Diehl and Seubert with a question mark at our blocking TE spot. I wouldn’t be worried about anything because Reese will apprach this with a tremendous amount of caution just as he has with every other potential move this offseason.

If the defensive player can play line it might be worth it. We have zero depth at DE, especially when it comes to stopping the run. Fraiser is our number 1 sub as it stands now unless Shaun Smith can also play DE. Even if he can he will have to give Washington some serious bench time.

I'd settle for a 2nd and 3rd round pick next season,, then trade both of them for a 1st next year or some kinda move up in the second,, or just use them ourselves....

Reality check.... I believe OUR original offer was a 4th round pick. They said no.

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hes throwin a fit. what a punk

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Who has said he is throwing a fit?

Since we overpay for players time for someone else to hand over some value to us..
If they want to throw in a Joseph 6' 5 315 DT and Torbor 6' 2 250 plus a first day pick..I'd sure tap my fingers a bit even though i wanted Shaffer for RT...

If NY is going at it again after talks halted the first time Phil approached them to make a deal for KS..WATCH HOW FAST this developes..

i still think he'd be quite an asset at RT.

don't mess it up, Kev. we still need you.

And no, he's not "safely average at best."
If he was that good Atlanta would have never let him walk..

I had these same arguements when I bagged on Shelton. Many people called him "average.

Sure wasn't me..and I was still skeptical of Phil signing KS in the first place..
However, let's say Necktie is an "average" left tackle. Teams that don't have one would gladly give a 1st day pick for an "average" left tackle.


The Gmen are desperate and now that they have turned up the talks again it proves it..

people throw around the term 'average' WAY too loosely.

half the league is below-average and a lot of people can't ever seem to come to grips with that.

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If they want to throw in a Joseph 6' 5 315 DT and Torbor 6' 2 250 plus a first day pick

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I know this is just a rumor. Just for info does anybody know how good these guys are?

Torbor in 3 years, 46 games and 14 starts

106 tackles 4 sacks 1 INT 3 passes defensed 4 forced fumbles

Joseph in 4 years, 55 games and 17 starts

72 tackles 7 sacks 0 INT 7 passes defensed 2 forced fumbles

...so, what Giant would you like for your birthday?
Make a wish and blow out the candles.

Perhaps we give them a LT and they give us a RG.

I looked up the stats but wonder how good are they? They may be backups for New York but are they an upgrade over Roye and McGinnest/Peek?

I'd consider trading big Kev for Chris Snee. Snee will be decent for awhile, never probowler, won't be as good as Steinbach. But he'll be solid for a long time.

those darn publicist will start/ say anything to get what they want...

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Isn't Snee Coughlin's son in law or some damn thing?

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Even more reason to get rid of him.

Phil shouldn't back down. If they're desperate enough, they'll pay.

It'll get to be real interesting if one of the Giant's linemen goes down with an injury. I'm not wishing for this to happen, I just think it would be interesting to see.

I'd take Joseph and Torbor plus a 3rd rd. pick...or....Joseph and a 3rd and 4th rd. pick.

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people throw around the term 'average' WAY too loosely.

half the league is below-average and a lot of people can't ever seem to come to grips with that.

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...so if you're grading them, half come out <50/100, therefore they're below avg, right?...if you think that each T, or any position for that matter, can be clearly ranked one after another, you're out of your mind...

this league, individually, and team-wise, is about tiers...there are tiers based upon talent, and how things fall out beyond that is based upon other circumstances, such as injuries, supporting cast, competition, luck, etc....every now and then, there's a tier that belongs to only 1 or 2 players (e.g. Pace and Jones), but in the middle especially, you've got 10-15 guys that are performing about the same (read: avg.)...

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Guy Whimper,

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What a manly name !

If the Browns plan on being a playoff contender this year, I would trade KS for Joseph and a 3rd/4th round pick

If they are looking more into the future, maybe KS and a 3rd/4th for NYs 1st next year.

Personally, I like having depth on the o-line. Joe Thomas still has yet to play a down,so nobody knows how good he truely is or how fast he can make the transition to NFL play.IMO, I think having depth on the o-line is more important to the Browns right now then getting defense.

Just my opinion...


All the talk about Tabor or joesph and a 3rd or 4th round pick , I don see it happening. Gotta remember that Randy Moss was had for a 3rd and Trent Green could be had for sure for a 4th probley a 5th.
In this day of the NFL trades don't yield much . Even for good Talent and Schaffer is At best Above Average.

I don't see a trade for more then a 4th or a player . It's a trade that helps everyone ,Us by freeing up the 6year -36 million contract.

No No No, trading Schaeffer is not smart.

I don't care how much money he makes. Trading away O-line starters below average or not, is not something the Browns should even consider.


We won't get a 3rd for him. We won't get anyone god for him.


The only reason we would trade him is to dump his salary, Rueben Droughns style.

NO NO NO trading schaeffer unless.

1. We make out like gangbusters
2. We have a ready made replacement.

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people throw around the term 'average' WAY too loosely.

half the league is below-average and a lot of people can't ever seem to come to grips with that.

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now that is funny. half the league can't be below average that would make the below average players you speak of now the average players by definition



I am of the mind to side with the keep for security while we can afford it, unless, as stated by others, we make out like bandits. I whole heartedly concer with the Faine reference. last year was PAINFULL, regarding the center possition and we had just picked up our savior LCB. the same thing could happen to Thomas or Tucker. Freidman was good for a game or two, but I don't want to be watching him all year at a tackle spot. Dorsey? Forget about it.