Well I wasn't talking to you about it and in the future if you want a complete mechanical breakdown and effects on a particular piece of equipment, you should request it.
There was a movie in the 1970s that foretold this type of thing.
Westworld starring Yul Brynner. Westworld was a futuristic adult amusement park where you paid a lot of money and got to shoot and "kill" stuff without risk.
Until robot Yul starting shooting back with real bullets.
i see the majority on this board understand the need for balance and protection of animals on our planet.
of course the others, however...
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A crossbow is a sideways, Manly Man version of the lowly bow and arrow.
And widely known as the most inhumane & cruel weapon to use for hunting wild game. Thousands of wild game are shot and wounded or left to die each year because many hunters have no clue on how to follow a blood trail and track them down after shooting them. With a long bow, re-curve bow, or a compound bow, the broad-head arrow doesn't get buried deep into the flesh like a crossbow arrow does. The long shafted arrow will get kicked about in the brush opening the wound more for a faster kill and easier to track.
You really need to read up on subjects that you know nothing about if you want to have a real conversation. Otherwise it's all just BS in your posts
Hmm. I didn't know that. I've only had 1 deer that broke off my arrow after I shot it.
All the others either went completely through the deer, or the deer was shot at an angle where the arrow pinned the deer to the ground. I use a compound bow.
Try to stick to the subject will ya. Lions man, Lions.
His point is well-made.
When you take out the top predators in an ecosystem, everything else goes out of whack. And when you take out the alpha male, the bloodline suffers. THEN your top predators are cut from inferior stock, and the entire species takes a step down.
Doesn't matter what ecosystem we're discussing. Over-killing of sharks is having the same effect in the oceans.
Yes, when a top predator "species" is taken out, everything does get out of whack.
However, with Cecil, the dominate male of a pride.....with him being killed, their will be another dominate male that takes over. I've even read and heard that the next dominate male may try to kill some of the cubs from Cecil - might even attack the mothers.
This would have happened at some point. Cecil wasn't going to live forever, right? And, in my limited knowledge of Lions - often times the dominate male gets run off from the pride when he becomes too old to fend for himself. Often times other males get run off by a dominate male.
Sounds cruel, and harsh. But in the end, it serves the Lion population pretty well. After all, we don't need 1 male fertilizing female after female after female, do we? The gene pool narrows if that happens.
And, I am in NO way saying the dentist did right. Nature takes care of itself if humans don't intervene. I'm also saying the dentist shouldn't be persecuted (persecuted - not prosecuted). I am able to believe he thought he was doing something legal.
I do not understand a desire to kill a lion as a trophy. I don't get that, at all. And I certainly don't get spending $50,000+ for the opportunity to do so.
I eat what I kill - aside from the woodchucks. Those feed the buzzards.
So, again, yeah, take the top predator out of an ecosystem, you get an ecosystem in mayhem. Absolutely. However, if you take out the top cat of a pride of lions, you haven't eliminated lions. You haven't changed the ecosystem.
but yea that's the problem. almost every top predator cat in the ecosystem is endangered. and not from nature, from us.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Try to stick to the subject will ya. Lions man, Lions.
His point is well-made.
When you take out the top predators in an ecosystem, everything else goes out of whack. And when you take out the alpha male, the bloodline suffers. THEN your top predators are cut from inferior stock, and the entire species takes a step down.
Doesn't matter what ecosystem we're discussing. Over-killing of sharks is having the same effect in the oceans.
I paid good money to come to this thread to hunt Lions and all you guys talk about is stinkin wolves and sharks! Now where is Tony the Tiger?
Wait! I think I get it! If you were to remove me from these Boards, being the dominate male, the Board would suffer!
This is another one of those threads that reminds me how different we all are. I think we were all made a little differently so that everything on earth would get the attention it deserves. I most certainly don't understand one post that claims that it would be fine that a species only exist in a zoo, that kind of extreme just screams trolling to me.
I have had a love of all animals since I can remember my time on this planet. I have constantly had every distressed animal find it's way to me since I have had a memory. From the tiniest tadpole and beyond. If I drive by any animal that has been killed on the road my heart sinks. It doesn't matter what kind of animal it is, I feel terrible. My brother calls me Julie Dolittle. Haha.
I would never hunt, although I understand that there are people who enjoy it, and I do not think they should be denied doing so as long as it's within the law. I also understand that killing animals is necessary for human consumption. I think we could do it far more humanely and I have been active in promoting that idea.
I do hate trophy hunting. I don't understand it, and I really hate it. Just as I hate the slaughtering of elephants for their tusks, such a magnificent and intelligent animal. It's a travesty in my opinion. Like putting them in circuses and torturing them. I can't even watch the documentaries on what they do to those beautiful animals.
So, there are people who cared before this incident about lions, elephants, etc. It's not just a fleeting thing. I feel a great deal about it every day. I was born with a real connection to animals, and I know it was meant to be that way.
For some people with a shallow view of the world....There is enough love within a human heart to care about people and the rest of the earth's creatures and inhabitants. Name calling isn't necessary.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I have no issue with hunting to eat. NONE. Sport hunting with exception to catch and release is ridiculous and should be a crime world wide. I do however understand culling herds to maintain health and natural balance.
Just like commercial fishing, when done properly it is sustainable.
Now if this lion was terrifying a village that would be another GOOD reason to kill it. BUT this lion was friendly to humans, had been featured on a documentary and or TV, was an attraction for tourism and all but tame.
I liken this to somebody killing Smokey the bear (when he was living). Everybody would have been outraged. I don't think a dime of this hunting fee went to poor Africans either, another outrage.
Then the thought of all his cubs being killed by the new lion leader all because of this hunt... shame.
So do I care about lions, not on a OMG "Save the Lions" daily basis but I do care about atrocities and this fits the bill.
This man paid 50K to (artificially) make his johnson longer than the other males who inhabit the same social group he inhabits. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's how shallow and self-serving this story really is.... in a truly 'BS-free Zone."
This man paid cash money to have a prized male lion presented to him for execution.
It's just the most recent example of how fkk'd-up and over-filled with hubris our species really is.
I'm no longer horrified and outraged by this stuff. I've become numb to the stupidity and shallowness that surrounds me. It's what I now expect from my dentist, my lawyer, my concert patron.
We ALL will pay a price for this crap down the road.
I HATE knowing that I'll also have to pay the price others exacted from Mother Nature.
I didn't sign on for this. I don't want this for me... or our kids.
Screw the courts, public opinions, and back-&-forth.
I say we go 'REALLY Old School'.... and let things play out as they may.
My proposal:
1. Give this dentist a long, pointed stick. And clothes. And a one-day supply of water. 2. Drop him in the middle of the Zimbabwe preserve with his stick, his clothes... and his one-day ration of H2O... near Cecil's pride. 3. Let Mother Nature decide who is more worthy of survival.
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The U.S Fish & Wildlife Service said Thursday it's trying to reach the Minnesota dentist who killed a protected lion while on a guided hunt in Zimbabwe. The agency asked Walter Palmer to "contact us immediately."
Here are some details about the case that has gained global attention:
THE HUNTER
Walter James Palmer, 55, is a dentist in the Minneapolis suburb of Bloomington. He's an active big-game hunter and has many kills to his name.
Palmer, a bow hunter, hired local guides for a hunting trip in Zimbabwe. During the hunt, he used an arrow to hit a lion that authorities said was lured from a protected wildlife preserve. They then tracked the wounded animal for 40 hours before it was shot with a gun, according to Johnny Rodrigues, chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force.
The lion, known as Cecil, had been collared as part of a research study.
On Tuesday, Palmer issued a statement saying he relied on his guides to ensure the hunt was legal. He also sent a letter to patients. But he's made no public comments since then.
THE INVESTIGATIONS
Edward Grace, deputy chief of law enforcement for the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, reiterated Thursday that his agency is investigating circumstances surrounding Cecil's killing.
"That investigation will take us wherever the facts lead," Grace said. "At this point in time, however, multiple efforts to contact Dr. Walter Palmer have been unsuccessful. We ask that Dr. Palmer or his representative contact us immediately."
Palmer hasn't returned emails from The Associated Press. His office has been closed and his office voicemail isn't accepting messages. His other listed phone numbers have busy signals. His exact whereabouts are unknown.
An attorney who represented Palmer in a prior case also has not returned messages.
Authorities in Zimbabwe have also said they want to speak with Palmer, but they haven't charged him with a crime.
The U.S. has an extradition agreement with Zimbabwe, so in theory he could be sent there to face the legal system if charges are filed.
Zimbabwean prosecutors have charged the hunter who supervised Palmer's outing, Theo Bronkhorst, with killing a lion not authorized to be hunted. Prosecutors have not yet charged a second suspect who was named as an accomplice.
THE REACTION
The discovery that Cecil, the star of a Zimbabwe national park, had been lured and killed has led to outrage in the U.S. The American dentist has been vilified on social media.
But in Zimbabwe, outside environmental and activist circles, the reaction was muted. Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy to care about it.
There has been some backlash in hunting circles. Safari Club International suspended Palmer's membership and called for a "full and thorough investigation" into the lion's death.
The club, which promotes big-game hunting worldwide, issued a statement late Wednesday saying memberships for Palmer and Bronkhorst will be on hiatus until investigations are complete.
Separately, the U.N. General Assembly adopted its first-ever resolution aimed at combatting illicit trafficking in wildlife on Thursday. The resolution, which is not legally binding, was the product of more than two years of negotiations.
Its sponsors were asked whether it would have done anything to help save Cecil. Germany's U.N. Ambassador Harald Braun said some hunting activities are legal, and some are illegal, and this resolution fights all illegal aspects of hunting.
I read the outrage here. I see the throngs of protesters on the News calling for the head of the lion killer. I see the Federal Government getting involved in tracking down the murderer of a lion.
I can only wish there was such outrage over on the Abortion thread where they have been caught killing Humans and Harvesting their parts.
There will be more than 1,000 babies killed today in the USA alone and I don't hear anybody complaining or crying, but one Lion is killed in another county and people go bonkers SMH just disgusting.
There will be more than 1,000 babies killed today in the USA alone and I don't hear anybody complaining or crying, but one Lion is killed in another county and people go bonkers SMH just disgusting.
You're not listening in the right places to hear those other complaints or cries. They exist man.
This is just a high profile, trending media story. Of course a lot of people will put in their 2 cents. I don't think it means people have forgotten all of the other "more important" problems.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
HARARE, Zimbabwe — While the death of a protected lion in Zimbabwe has caused outrage in the U.S. — much of it centered on the Minnesota dentist who killed the animal — most in Zimbabwe expressed a degree of bafflement over the concern.
The discovery that Cecil, the star of a Zimbabwe national park, had been lured out and killed by American bow hunter Walter James Palmer has resulted in online anger and protests at his dental clinic.
Outside Zimbabwe's environmental and activist circles, however, the reaction has been muted."It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss. There are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."
Yeah, I guess if you had a cruel government, no water, no job and no electricity, it wouldn't be near the top of your priority list.
Yet both of the local guides were arrested for their part in the hunt so it must not be dismissed there.
Not being snarky here: But, what was the "actual" crime? Apparently they sell licenses to hunt lions, right?
So, was the crime "baiting"? "Baiting and luring off protected land"?
Was the crime "killing a collared (perhaps therefore off limits) lion?"
And for the record, even if I had a billion dollars, going to Africa to hunt a lion as a trophy, OR for meat, wouldn't make my list of top 1000 things to do. Or top 100,000 things to do.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A Zimbabwean guide who was reportedly paid by an American dentist to hunt a beloved lion was charged Wednesday in a trophy hunting case that has sparked international disgust.
Local hunter Theo Bronkhorst was charged with failing to prevent an illegal hunt in a Hwange courtroom, about 500 miles west of the capital of Harare. He was released from jail on $1,000 bail and had his hunting license revoked.
Bronkhurst could face up to 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine.
and not for food. for 2000 coats and an Instagram photo.
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